I think manual votes in general are better. However, only voting 1 time per day on their main account is reasonable. The problem is there are quite a few people on Steem who use their entire voting power only upvoting like 10~20 different accounts which is a little sad. I don't expect everyone to be as robust in their voting habits as me, but here is my most recent voting CSI: 2.6 ( 0.13 % self, 568 upvotes, 341 accounts, last 7d )
That self vote was an accident 10% follow on a curation project that got me. My curation rewards are a little below average, but I think the self-sacrifice is worth it. Some people look at this score and won't upvote people who are too selfish or narrow in their voting behaviors.
If everyone did this, I believe the benefits of posting would go up and so would the effort put into posts.
You have covered quite a bit here @abitcoinskeptic each individual approaches life with different attitudes, discussion is good to resolve issues.
Staying within mind frame I avoid following people who basically do not get the concept of social media, steem platforms may make a little money however following people with nasty intentions is not my idea of being social.
Not having used bid bots, only ever delegating where I feel people are assisting others, or supporting a witness with a vote is done when proof is given or written that these are upstanding members in the steem community.
Needless to say another #powerhousecreatives member it takes a lot of dedication to keep everyone working together, another is #qurator who quietly go along supporting many, now I am speaking of established communities where I feel bloggers are able to move and grow.
I will have to return to read reactions once this post has been up for awhile.
I think genuine engagement is easy to notice when that is what you are here for. A lot of people passed by because it can be hard to notice, especially given some of the weird stuff trending.
I need to look into qurator some more. I know they are the other big one asides from phc. I follow and vote for their posts, but I'm not a member (if they ask say Im confused).
I also look forward to the reactions on this post. It's a discussion that needs to happen.
In reading comments, revealing insight comes into play, at the end of the day most are looking for fair play and honesty in content, "Content Is King/Queen", good content deserves good reward.
Those wishing to trade in crypto, navigate across to Steem-Engine or Exchanges.
Adding value to your content using bit-bots is much the same as trading, you paying into a kitty to hopefully obtain a good payout, it is trading/betting/gaming. Want to do gaming there is SteemMonsters.
Steem platform has developed quickly to offer many niche ideas, it is finding the right one. In reading many articles on down-voting perhaps one day I will use the button and leave a comment as to why, sadly too many arrive to make_ "money"_, not reading or possibly not understanding what is expected.
I think Steem's biggest potential is exchanging information, opinions, values and ideas on the blockchain. The second biggest potential is communities. Steem-Engine is just a sample of what SMTs are going to be. Perhaps even more interesting is what will happen if any particular token or SMT becomes extremely popular. The amount of people it could onboard (who may eventually walk towards other niches) will be very good for everyone.
A plurality of ideas and things to do is great. The key is to stay on top of things and make changes when they are needed. Being preemptive is best.
The other way that Tipu has changed is to get a bunch of people to do curation for them to ensure they still get curation rewards for their delegators. The downside of this is that there's a lot of abuse with curators self voting using other people's SP so the curation rewards for Tipu and their delagators aren't efficient. The upside is that, curators can use other people's SP to reward genuine quality content in a much powerful way compared to their own upvote.... as you have seen already
Yes, I noticed that change as well. =) interesting to hear about the downsides. I guess they have a few kinks to work out still.
A lot of the old services have moved into curating. It makes the most sence, but a multiangled approach is good and allows innovation.
Their new promotion service is unique. I hope to see people genuinely interested in promotion taking advantage and I hope the flaggers recognize what is going on and give it a pass if it isn't being abused (ie. Circles or absolute junk and controversial promotions)
The problem is that Tipu doesn't verify any of the curators, anyone who requested got on, so there's a mixed bag of curators. Then any curator can call the bot, for their own post, or their alts, or for any shit post, again Tipu doesn't check. Who cares that Tipu doesn't get the best curation rewards, as long as the curator get a good payout courtesy of Tipu .....
Ohh I had no idea it was that random.
This decision seems like it is going to backfire. A follow vote is not an wxcuse to do whatever. I guess it's new but they need accountability sooner or later.
@cardboard it great to hear that that you're starting to remove bad curators, hopefully you can get behind the scene an deal with the inter main/alt voting.
Oh this is very disturbing to me. Not knowing what a bidbot even is, I asked a few people if sbi is one and was assured sbi is acceptable by newsteem standards. Most of the shares I've accumulated in sbi were bought FOR me by accounts that appreciated my posts, so the origins of the upvotes are tied to value in posts, at least in my case. I just started buying them for others for the same reason, and am happiest doing this for the smaller accounts - it seems a much better reward for quality than my upvote, which is worth next to nothing now on posts with small payouts. Maybe some whales are abusing sbi, but for the tiny accounts, sbi upvotes are sometimes the only upvotes of any value that the tiny accounts get, no matter how good the posts are. So many of the changes have made it even more difficult for new users who have not invested in steem to make any currency at all.
SBI is a way to help venezuelan proyects to grow, is a point of view i was meditating all these days and now that i read this looks like is a problem, but i think that everything carried by the concious of the one would be good, keep things descentralized and by manual curation looks like the best, at least for me, as a content creator think that, blockchain well developed is a pithagoras teorem resolution so, let's keep growing and understanding the best path for all.
Most whales have found a balance, but a few have lost a lot of money and are trying to make it back in an agressive manner. It's pretty much up to the other whales or a large pod of orcas to keep them in check.
My thoughts are much in line with yours @owasco! There's so many contests that have a hard time giving out STEEM as rewards, but do SBI shares to help all the awesome people who join get something and also grow both accounts. I'm sure like any system, there are opportunities for abuse. But by and large the people I see using it are quality creators who really do support a lot of communities and other endeavors that make Steem a great place. I can see a possible need to adjust the system as @abitcoinskeptic points out, but I hope they do it in a way that doesn't alienate the many people who have put their faith in the program. (and invested hard-earned STEEM, as well)
I'm glad people are pointing out the positives. I hope these endure.
Community contests are great and it is a neat way to reward people.
However, I want to see more done to eliminate negative use.
As long as efforts trying to "eliminate" negative use do not make it even harder for the Littles to make a dime. No one talks about the upvote curve, but I feel that is terribly unfair to accounts with low sp, both producers and curators. That's where I would like some attention focused.
I do like the idea of taking a look at someone's average income per post (just add up the posts if they post multiple times a day ... their loss), and giving them a handicap if it doesn't look like they are just out there farming Steem.
There are a few large orcas and whales going around maximizing ROI in schemes like sbi, these people need to chamge and sbi should be less accomodating.
Normal users are fine.
I draw the line at comment voting and maximizing ROI by excessive use of their services.
I definitely see positive aspects in things like sbi and I'm glad you brought that up.
My idea is to make more positive things prevail.
thank you I hope you succeed. sbi is a great way to reward small accounts doing great work, the kind of posts and accounts that will make no one any money so they tend to be overlooked.
Steem-UA ... It is based on the number of followers you have and the level of engagement surrounding your post. You can only get 'shares' by delegating to them.
my 5 cents: I have a decent followers number (around 180) and sufficient 'engagement surrounding my posts' (it is all original, and rewarded content, people upvote it cause they like it, I believe)... amount of delegation to this service: zero. number of the posts upvoted by the service: zero. i.e. they curated not a single post of my blog.
due to these details, I assume this service is based mostly on the delegation. prove me I am wrong, hehe.
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Great article @abitcoinskeptic - one which needed to be addressed. Perhaps @theycallmedan would appreciate what you have put out here considering his post made yesterday.
Additionally, as the head of PHC I would just like to say thank you for representing us so positively in this post. And yes, you are spot on - we are an amazing collective of individuals - ALL of which have the best interests of Steem at heart and yes, this space would be all the poorer without communities like ours.
Thanks. I think I commented on his post from yesterday.
I felt a need to clear things up.
Saying genuine communities are next is a slippery slope argument. We aren't influence peddling or selling anything.....other than zord's fancy banners.
You have me convinced to stop auto upvoting SBI.
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I think manual votes in general are better. However, only voting 1 time per day on their main account is reasonable. The problem is there are quite a few people on Steem who use their entire voting power only upvoting like 10~20 different accounts which is a little sad. I don't expect everyone to be as robust in their voting habits as me, but here is my most recent voting CSI: 2.6 ( 0.13 % self, 568 upvotes, 341 accounts, last 7d )
That self vote was an accident 10% follow on a curation project that got me. My curation rewards are a little below average, but I think the self-sacrifice is worth it. Some people look at this score and won't upvote people who are too selfish or narrow in their voting behaviors.
If everyone did this, I believe the benefits of posting would go up and so would the effort put into posts.
You have covered quite a bit here @abitcoinskeptic each individual approaches life with different attitudes, discussion is good to resolve issues.
Staying within mind frame I avoid following people who basically do not get the concept of social media, steem platforms may make a little money however following people with nasty intentions is not my idea of being social.
Not having used bid bots, only ever delegating where I feel people are assisting others, or supporting a witness with a vote is done when proof is given or written that these are upstanding members in the steem community.
Needless to say another #powerhousecreatives member it takes a lot of dedication to keep everyone working together, another is #qurator who quietly go along supporting many, now I am speaking of established communities where I feel bloggers are able to move and grow.
I will have to return to read reactions once this post has been up for awhile.
I think genuine engagement is easy to notice when that is what you are here for. A lot of people passed by because it can be hard to notice, especially given some of the weird stuff trending.
I need to look into qurator some more. I know they are the other big one asides from phc. I follow and vote for their posts, but I'm not a member (if they ask say Im confused).
I also look forward to the reactions on this post. It's a discussion that needs to happen.
In reading comments, revealing insight comes into play, at the end of the day most are looking for fair play and honesty in content, "Content Is King/Queen", good content deserves good reward.
Those wishing to trade in crypto, navigate across to Steem-Engine or Exchanges.
Adding value to your content using bit-bots is much the same as trading, you paying into a kitty to hopefully obtain a good payout, it is trading/betting/gaming. Want to do gaming there is SteemMonsters.
Steem platform has developed quickly to offer many niche ideas, it is finding the right one. In reading many articles on down-voting perhaps one day I will use the button and leave a comment as to why, sadly too many arrive to make_ "money"_, not reading or possibly not understanding what is expected.
I think Steem's biggest potential is exchanging information, opinions, values and ideas on the blockchain. The second biggest potential is communities. Steem-Engine is just a sample of what SMTs are going to be. Perhaps even more interesting is what will happen if any particular token or SMT becomes extremely popular. The amount of people it could onboard (who may eventually walk towards other niches) will be very good for everyone.
A plurality of ideas and things to do is great. The key is to stay on top of things and make changes when they are needed. Being preemptive is best.
The other way that Tipu has changed is to get a bunch of people to do curation for them to ensure they still get curation rewards for their delegators. The downside of this is that there's a lot of abuse with curators self voting using other people's SP so the curation rewards for Tipu and their delagators aren't efficient. The upside is that, curators can use other people's SP to reward genuine quality content in a much powerful way compared to their own upvote.... as you have seen already
Yes, I noticed that change as well. =) interesting to hear about the downsides. I guess they have a few kinks to work out still.
A lot of the old services have moved into curating. It makes the most sence, but a multiangled approach is good and allows innovation.
Their new promotion service is unique. I hope to see people genuinely interested in promotion taking advantage and I hope the flaggers recognize what is going on and give it a pass if it isn't being abused (ie. Circles or absolute junk and controversial promotions)
The problem is that Tipu doesn't verify any of the curators, anyone who requested got on, so there's a mixed bag of curators. Then any curator can call the bot, for their own post, or their alts, or for any shit post, again Tipu doesn't check. Who cares that Tipu doesn't get the best curation rewards, as long as the curator get a good payout courtesy of Tipu .....
Ohh I had no idea it was that random.
This decision seems like it is going to backfire. A follow vote is not an wxcuse to do whatever. I guess it's new but they need accountability sooner or later.
Nope - every curation can be reviewed. The process of removing bad curators has already started :)
Great news. I do encourage the curators to comment and engage more. It's like adding ic8ng to the cake =)
@cardboard it great to hear that that you're starting to remove bad curators, hopefully you can get behind the scene an deal with the inter main/alt voting.
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Forgot to mention this aspect, but tipu has already been very responsive to newSteem
Oh this is very disturbing to me. Not knowing what a bidbot even is, I asked a few people if sbi is one and was assured sbi is acceptable by newsteem standards. Most of the shares I've accumulated in sbi were bought FOR me by accounts that appreciated my posts, so the origins of the upvotes are tied to value in posts, at least in my case. I just started buying them for others for the same reason, and am happiest doing this for the smaller accounts - it seems a much better reward for quality than my upvote, which is worth next to nothing now on posts with small payouts. Maybe some whales are abusing sbi, but for the tiny accounts, sbi upvotes are sometimes the only upvotes of any value that the tiny accounts get, no matter how good the posts are. So many of the changes have made it even more difficult for new users who have not invested in steem to make any currency at all.
SBI is a way to help venezuelan proyects to grow, is a point of view i was meditating all these days and now that i read this looks like is a problem, but i think that everything carried by the concious of the one would be good, keep things descentralized and by manual curation looks like the best, at least for me, as a content creator think that, blockchain well developed is a pithagoras teorem resolution so, let's keep growing and understanding the best path for all.
SBI helping charities is another good point about their services. I think they should do more.
It's helping the whales too much, that's the problem.
yes, whales need to find balance, has to be a way to valuate always good content
Most whales have found a balance, but a few have lost a lot of money and are trying to make it back in an agressive manner. It's pretty much up to the other whales or a large pod of orcas to keep them in check.
My thoughts are much in line with yours @owasco! There's so many contests that have a hard time giving out STEEM as rewards, but do SBI shares to help all the awesome people who join get something and also grow both accounts. I'm sure like any system, there are opportunities for abuse. But by and large the people I see using it are quality creators who really do support a lot of communities and other endeavors that make Steem a great place. I can see a possible need to adjust the system as @abitcoinskeptic points out, but I hope they do it in a way that doesn't alienate the many people who have put their faith in the program. (and invested hard-earned STEEM, as well)
I'm glad people are pointing out the positives. I hope these endure.
Community contests are great and it is a neat way to reward people.
However, I want to see more done to eliminate negative use.
As long as efforts trying to "eliminate" negative use do not make it even harder for the Littles to make a dime. No one talks about the upvote curve, but I feel that is terribly unfair to accounts with low sp, both producers and curators. That's where I would like some attention focused.
I do like the idea of taking a look at someone's average income per post (just add up the posts if they post multiple times a day ... their loss), and giving them a handicap if it doesn't look like they are just out there farming Steem.
There are a few large orcas and whales going around maximizing ROI in schemes like sbi, these people need to chamge and sbi should be less accomodating.
Normal users are fine.
I draw the line at comment voting and maximizing ROI by excessive use of their services.
I definitely see positive aspects in things like sbi and I'm glad you brought that up.
My idea is to make more positive things prevail.
thank you I hope you succeed. sbi is a great way to reward small accounts doing great work, the kind of posts and accounts that will make no one any money so they tend to be overlooked.
my 5 cents: I have a decent followers number (around 180) and sufficient 'engagement surrounding my posts' (it is all original, and rewarded content, people upvote it cause they like it, I believe)... amount of delegation to this service: zero. number of the posts upvoted by the service: zero. i.e. they curated not a single post of my blog.
due to these details, I assume this service is based mostly on the delegation. prove me I am wrong, hehe.
They are not a curation service. They are a subscription service. It seems like you are not subscribed.
The number of followers one has meant very little, if followers never upvote, mention, resteem or comment, their value is unclear.
I would rather have one follower that engages than 100 who don't.
exactly that I considered, my example is underlining.
Ahh. Makes sense.
Their stake isn't huge and it's difficult to abuse.
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Great article @abitcoinskeptic - one which needed to be addressed. Perhaps @theycallmedan would appreciate what you have put out here considering his post made yesterday.
Additionally, as the head of PHC I would just like to say thank you for representing us so positively in this post. And yes, you are spot on - we are an amazing collective of individuals - ALL of which have the best interests of Steem at heart and yes, this space would be all the poorer without communities like ours.
Thanks. I think I commented on his post from yesterday.
I felt a need to clear things up.
Saying genuine communities are next is a slippery slope argument. We aren't influence peddling or selling anything.....other than zord's fancy banners.