I've never made the distinction like that before. For me an argument is just a passionate conversation until it breaks down into a fight. Fights are disturbing. Those are definitely win/lose. But I enjoy discussions with opposing views. Owning a haunted house puts me in a position to have a LOT of arguments that I like to turn into discussions. People find that they don't disagree as much as they thought they did and I feel good about that. I'm so sorry to hear about your hives. That would make me crazy. @Lahvista