Well, That Was an Interesting Witness Chat

On Thursday afternoon I published this post announcing a witness chat in the Steemit Ramble discord Friday morning. Now, I wasn’t expecting a lot of witnesses to show up on short notice, but, some to get the conversation and interaction with the community would be great.

Why the Meeting?

The post and the meeting came about as the result of discussion during Pimp Your Post Thursday. Over the weeks that PYPT has been running we’ve had several discussions about witnesses and inevitably find there are people present who had no idea about witnesses and some who have misunderstandings of who they are or their function.

Friday morning, twelve witnesses showed up during the chat, which went from 11am to 1pm EDT recorded and then continued for another couple of hours after. During the informal discussion another five witnesses made their way in.

Here is the audio recording:

Present during the recording were: @arcange, @drakos, @guiltyparties, @jackmiller, @jrswab, @nnnarvaez, @patrice, @sircork, @ura-soul, @valorforfreedom, @yehey and @yensesa

Arriving during the afterchat: @ats-david, @enginewitty, followbtcnews, @therealwolf and @neoxian

Purpose of the Meeting

The purpose of the conversation was:

  1. For community members to meet their witnesses
  2. For community members to ask questions of the witnesses
  3. Opportunity for witnesses to interact with interested community members
  4. For community members to gain a greater understanding of who the witnesses are, what they do and the importance of making informed votes.

The mics were open for anyone to participate on voice and of course in the text chat. The conversation was lively and mostly on topic. That made my job as moderator much easier as I only needed to guide the conversation a few times.

The community members present heard some of the challenges witnesses are facing as the blockchain, and our interactions on it, grow. The witnesses heard a generally positive response from the community members and the often asked question, can the community take action to support the witnesses in resolving some of the challenges?

That’s community in action.

Some of the Topics Covered

Several topics emerged as points of continued interest:

  1. RAM — the rapidly escalating need for witnesses to spend money to upgrade their servers in order to manage increased demand. This puts a growing financial burden on lower ranked witnesses who are not witnessing enough blocks to cover those costs.

  2. Witness Income — questions were asked if the pay structure for witnessing blocks needs to be improved at least in the top 50 as there is a dramatic drop between the top 20 witnesses income and the next 30.

  3. Inactive witnesses — questions were asked about why inactive witnesses are able to remain on the list? Why their votes are not revoked for redistribution to active witnesses and why other top witnesses who should know better are still voting for inactive witnesses.

  4. Questions were raised about the witness page on the Steemit website. Why are only the top 50 witnesses listed when there are currently over 120 active witnesses? Why doesn’t Steemit indicate who on the top 50 list are inactive witneses?

These four are but a sample of the questions raised and talked about. Listening to the audio will give you a sense of the conversation but doesn’t capture some really excellent comments in the text channel. I couldn’t capture and read them all out.

Were Conclusions Reached?

We were able to hear the take on the questions raised from the witnesses present. Many of the problems discussed really do require Steemit Inc to engage with the community and to implement solutions in the coding of the blockchain.

To the best knowledge of the witnesses present, there has been little to no response from Steemit Inc. That is frustrating for both witnesses and the community. This has been an ongoing issue that @ned and his team appear to be tone deaf to the problems raised.

Can We Help?

As community members we have every right to raise questions in our posts about what is happening within our community. We do have a responsibility to learn as much as we can before we raise them so the questions are as intelligent and well thought out as we can.

In regards to the Steemit witness page, we are not tied to using It. Witness @drakos has created a witness page resource that gives you a lot of information about witnesses. You can vote directly from the page using Steem Connect.

WARNING: Be careful that the page has taken you to https://steemian.info/witnesses and that the SteemConnect link in your browser is spelled correctly. You don’t want to get caught in a phishing scam.

So, What Now?

It became clear during this conversation that both the witnesses and the community would like to see more of these conversations. Most witnesses are more than willing to interact and listen to the community. They are busy people and can’t always do so individually, although the good ones will try.

Change of Announced Date

So, I did set a date of April 28th for the next one. I have since had it brought to my attention that date conflicts with the witness forum @aggroed holds on @msp-waves. I also learned I am expected at a Legion convention offline that day as well.

Updated Date

The next witness chat will take place in the Steemit Ramble discord on Saturday, April 21st starting at 11am EDT / 3pm UTC. Everyone is welcome to attend and participate.

Others Have Also Posted About This Chat:

Great to see other participants posting about their perspective on the chat:

Witnesses:

Steem School Episode 64 - Witnessing & What I learned From SirCork & Drakos@valorforfreedom

Is The Voting System For Steem Witnesses Unbalanced & Unfairly Skewed/Biased? Simple Improvements Might Make a Big Difference Here.@ura-soul

Witness @jackmiller - BIAS, Market, Savings, Bots. — NOTE: While @jackmiller didn’t specifically reference the meeting, he took part in it and this post does address some of the topics raised during it. So, I’m including it here.

Community Members:

Steem Witnesses, and why they matter!@thekittygirl

What is Our Role In the Steemit Community.@fiberartists

Women, Witnesses, and@bluefinstudios

So, mark your calendars with the above date and plan on joining in.


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Thanks for the excellent summary and link to my post. I am about to set about making a mockup of an improved witness voting page using the tried and tested method of combining imagination with theft! :)

well that is an interesting combination. will be interesting to see what the theft, umm imagination brings you :)

you can see the mockup here

Man, @ned was in my town of Blacksburg yesterday giving a lecture on blockchains at Virginia Tech. I would have loved to have been there and been able to ask why he seems to be so disinterested in Steemit lately, but alas I didn't find out about his speaking engagement until this morning. That could have been a great post too if I would have gotten to talk to him and get any insight. Hopefully he'll be back to do it again some time.

You'd think that the CEO of a social media company would want users of said media to show up when he speaks... well unless he's afraid of the questions they'd ask.

Im in Richmond, and didn't hear a word about this. But then again Stinc sucks at marketing, so there's that.

Don't feel bad, @SirCork. I didn't hear about it either and it probably would have been a five minute walk for me to get there. haha

Yeah no kidding, eh?

Well done and looking forward for next schedule.

Have a nice weekend.

You too @yehey... will be looking forward to seeing you more :)

Same here.

I have voted for all the witnesses participated in this chat. I appreciate you inviting the witnesses to this discussion and making this recording available to us. I suggest a Steemit-wide election debate where active witnesses can prove themselves and all Steemians can vote to whom they trust.

You'll never get the higher ranking witnesses to pay that any attention, and there is no real reason for them to bother.

crypto is no diff then big bad fiat imho, lots of the same puppet masters and $ is $....think if you are banking the concerns of the 'plebs' are not going to be pressing

I wasn't ready for 3 hours of that haha, I enjoyed the time I was there anyway.

I learned a lot from SirCork and Drakos and they both got my vote just after I heard them speaking.

They have a lot of experience as witnesses and it was a goldmine for me.

Despite that, there wasn't any chaos in the voice chat or the text chat.

9/10.

it was a lively discussion both on and off of the recording

I agree, I am looking forward to the next PYPT.

Thank you for this @shadowspub. Iam going to listen to the replay in the next day to get a feel for what Witnesses do.

there is another discussion scheduled for April 21st. I'm hoping that it is just as lively and those attending come with more informed conversation each time.

It's actually great to hear the witnesses wanting to connect and talk more about these subjects, since I feel their invisibility is one of the things we have to fix on this platform! It would be helpful to understand how are active and who are not (1) and then to understand who add value and who are not and why/how.

Hope to be able to attend next time! :-)

There were witnesses unable to attend who would have liked to. That was completely understandable as it was short notice and some of them work at other JOBS.

Some of the witnesses invisibility comes from a lot of us not knowing who they are. I don't know how many times people in the PYPT chat are surprised to find that there are witnesses there participating.

Everyone is welcome to attend and participate

Does it really mean, that even me can join the meeting? This is exciting. Thanks for welcoming not only the witnesses but the whole community.

You are awesome @shadowspub!

It most certainly does mean you and any other steemian can participate. It's important to not only know about the witnesses but to make informed decisions on voting for them.

excellent...and thanks for your support.

Thanks so much for posting this round up - I really wanted to be there but didn't work out with my schedule. Hopefully I can be there for the next one!

it was pretty short notice. I was pleasantly surprised at the numbers who turn up of both the community and the witnesses.

Yeah seriously! I love this community and how involved everyone wants to be :D

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