RE: Dear @freedom And Whales: Here's a SP Delegatee Menu To Solve The Vote Selling Problem
While I love the idea, it doesn't seem like it fills the same niche as vote-sellers. As someone who utilized vote-sellers and even @bellyrub, I used them to give my posts initial exposure in hopes of reaching a wider audience on steemit.
I highly doubt any of the individuals on that menu have ever even thought about reading a post of mine, and I would be surprised if any of them have even seen a post of mine pop up on their feed or in a tag they frequent. I think this further silo's the individuals that post in tags and about topics that these folks don't frequent.
I don't mean any disrespect as I do love the idea, I just don't think it's fair to say that this can replace vote-selling in any meaningful capacity. I would love to be proved wrong though.
Here you go @brandonp! :)
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"I don't mean any disrespect as I do love the idea, I just don't think it's fair to say that this can replace vote-selling in any meaningful capacity. I would love to be proved wrong though."
I agree with you that this initiative is not a viable substitute for the function of vote-bots, which currently should be probably served by /Promoted.
The idea here is to provide other opportunities for large holders of SP, such as Freedom, that we hope will lead to valuable increases in the price/demand for Steem. This means far more than the curation rewards or daily payments from lessees would to such large account holders.
The best we can do is attempt to lead by example and hope others are willing to think a little more long-term and a little less about short-term gain.
I cannot more strongly agree regarding the promotion feature. This is exactly what I think should be done.
Actually, I recommend @bitopia for this initiative. He has very good ideas, and develops them well.
Thank you very much for the shout- out! I am definitely looking towards aiding the issue through innovating solutions!
Yes I misunderstood the basic premise of the menu. I thought @stellabelle was saying that these would be folks to solicit for votes (which in and of itself sounds contrary to much of what she stands for. part of why I was confused). I understand that these are for folks to give SP to.
A valid point you made @brandonp , like you siad they didn't check your post cos maybe you are never in their Discord channels and trust me when they get the DSP they vote only on posts of users from their channels alone- Another problem created i think!
I vote on every real comment on my posts as well as comments of the posts I visit. Most real posts in the tags I frequent get voted on, and yes, people I keep in touch with on discord get some votes too...
I also use some of the SP to flag spam and help clean up tags if it gets crazy where I can't find real content, and people aren't responsive to communication.
Thank you, and thank @stellabelle & company!
We are only human, we can not be everywhere at once.
"when they get the DSP they vote only on posts of users from their channels alone"
With the exception of our curators, who are specifically looking to support new and unknown creators, this is just the normal nature of human interactions. Of course community leaders and builders will be best suited to applying their voting power in the communities they already know.
This is why we have carefully vetted both the communities, and the community members, and we have also tried to include a wide range of users and communities in the initiative. We are happy to take suggestions for additions if you have any.
Yes you are very right, we are but Humans.
I have been in so many channels where you try to communicate and you get ignored maybe they think all users in a channel are newbies.
I have been on particular channel where my salutations was ignored for days non stop and i had to eat a humble pie and left. To me such channels are many and i find them irritating, my only suggestion is to clamour on user interactions more often if networking is really the key...Like @stellabelle adviced to start a group, but why start a group where people don't interact but only want more upvotes?
So i'll rather stick with PAL and some others where even the whales acknowledges my interactions than start a new one.
actually @oluwoleoaide .. you are not correct on that assumption. I have channels setup for people to nominate other posts in the Steemit Ramble and in turn I do review the nominator's posts.
I also spend hours combing through RSS feeds from Steemit to find other posts for the Ramble from people who may or may not be on Discord. Posts are not easy to find on Steemit and the more visible you make yourself by participation in places like the discord servers, the more likely you'll get noticed.
There are people who attend the Pimp Your Post Thursday who do an excellent job of finding people new to Steemit who are showing potential.
There are a lot of good people looking for quality content on Steemit not so much for the curation rewards but to do actual curation by finding the quality work.
I think you are suggesting a problem that doesn't exist and not giving credit to a lot of good people who work to make the platform a place to call home for many more.
I just got to know about your Ramble channel so i don't think you got that right to tell me am suggesting a problem not existing i joined immediately i saw that comment last night and i haven't navigated it that well, i commented based on my experience i think i have the right to share my own experience.
I don't know if you are a curator or a Discord Channel owner so what i said shouldn't bother you that much.
And i give credit to people who do a lot of good work, you haven't seen my blog or any of my post so don't jump to conclusions.
I'm both a curator and a discord owner. The curation led to the discord to expand the curation effort and give exposure to more people for their posts.
While you are suggesting what should or shouldn't bother me, you may want to consider that you are jumping to your own conclusions about what I may or may not draw conclusions on.
Your original post suggested that once people get into discord they only vote/curate people on discord and my response was that is not true. It's not only not true for me, it is not true for many other curators.
I do have every right to respond to your statement about your belief a problem exists and disagree with that assumption. I also provided cause why it was incorrect.
If no one provides a rebuttal to your belief there is a problem because you feel they don't have a right to do so, does that not just create a false belief on your part?
So putting aside the philosophy of it all. I saw you joined the Steemit Ramble last and did welcome you. I'll be posting about the next Pimp Your Post Thursday .. it takes place at 11am and then again at 7:30pm EST on Thursday. Hope to see you there.
Well @brandonp while she's not on the list, here's a suggestion. Instead of waiting to pop up in someone's feed, why don't you come onto @shadowspub's Steemit Ramble discord on Thursday and join one of the two sessions of Pimp Your Post Thursday.
There you can get to know some other Steemians and present your post for others to have a look at and hopefully support. You'll find an invite on her blog.
I had no idea these type of things existed.
they have it on whaleshares discord channel too. You even get a chance to win whaleshares just for participating. yhu can contact @akrid.
Hey @brandonp if you want to join our group feel free contact me on steemit.chat or discord. We need early adopters of Steemit like you!
@bitopia has a great idea for the promotions feature that can dramatically improve the bot situation, I believe.
Check it out here.