RE: Convince Me Challenge Results and Anti-Vegan Arguments
Good, very well put arguments. When the millions of people supported by the karmic necessity of working for a living in the various meat industries are offered an alternative equally comfort providing career, then it will become de rigour to be vegan. But since your ideal presents so very many difficulties in a karma bound society that would Not yet have enough food for everyone's comfort, then as you yourself said, it is idealistic. It would be grand if we were all vegan. It would be grand if we were all peaceful. It would be grand if we were all in heaven¿ We are all here to learn our own karmic state. There are better ways of changing harmful animal cruelty than railing at full who couldn't afford to do anything but agree intellectually, and continue their way if life economically. You do realise how very lucky and privileged you are to have choice and to be able to be vegan? I do not condone the industry of providing meat to my table, but am pretty sure the society I live in would not condone the methods I was trained in if I should not buy my meat in a shop, but go hunting it. 😇 It is more about convenience and economics than actually choice of vegan or non-vegan. I had a girlfriend tears ago, now, who prepared food for my sustenance while I was at work. Great food, fantastic! Vegan diet, on the table. But time, and economics, after we split, and my lack of interest in mathes for calories, and money for wastage, and time for knowledge not on curriculum ever, meant I could get a little meat with various vegies to fill the stew, and provide five days food in one pot, and get on with my very busy life. My father's father's father's father's father's, back to our ancestor's god's ate cow-beast. It is the first letter of one of my peoples alphabets. Rustling was a way if staying alive thousands of years before whites ever saw the American west. Today there is still a common saying in the bush that the best food from That side of the fence (meaning your neighbour's cow tastes better),not that thieving is a good thing, but make me six good friends who all righteously pay gov't taxes on time and without grumble. Everyone, has not the betterment of an ideal to apply their passion to.
I neither condemn nor condone, but live my lot as it has been given to me most gratefully. So the way to change the industry is to get a speaker with powerful adherents in to gov't. Haranguing public who do not have the luxury to afford your ideal is not conducive to change.
But, hey, that's all opinion. I could be wrong or right, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that each understand their balance of karma and how they may effect change upon themselves. I cannot afford your ideal. I am sorry, would you like to cook for me, while I barter that with you for some skill I have.?? 😃
thanks for your reply =) May I ask, why is it more expensive for you to be vegan?
Clean fresh food cannot be bought at one meal or one day's meals in sizes that do not waste. And nor sizes that are affordable. I live often without the expense of air-conditioner, do Vegans? Meaning, I do not have a freezer. Bread is not bread, but made with water and sugar and preservatives. No freezer. I buy a little meat and cook it once a week. That is savoury with steamed veg. Salad is not eaten often because I've neither garden, pots, not green fingers. Fruit I can get in abundance, old 'fresh' from supermkt, or off the local farm, if someone is passing them. I don't drive most days. And farming farms are over five miles away, so they are not that readily available. Sometimes salads are available if one of the retirees gives me over abundance from his allotment. To buy bananas for instance, when they are grown in the region can be done from farmgate but not outside farmgate unless in shop, where they have been cold stored for 'how' long¿ and still not edible for up to three days after buying. In my locale, raspberries are available all year round, but not necessarily without great time and expense. I cannot do the mathes to eat balanced meals, and therefore cannot buy a day's worth. I live healthily Thank-you. I've on walkabout, eaten worms, grubs, lizards, frogs, birds, crocodile, camel, cow, goat, donkey, horse, Kangaroo, snake, and things I don't want to think about, that I am assured had active ingredients and/or protein. My ancestors bred and stole cattle since we were gods, before the dawn of our present history. If you want to be Vegan, that's grand, more meat for my family. If you want to prepare meals for my family, what would you take in barter? 😇
If your wish, your ideal came to pass, abreq ad habra, half the world would starve, mostly not because the world lacks food, but having taken their usual food and their livelihood, you have begun a war, and the aftermath of war is death and famine and disease. So wishes have to be approached objectively. The rich, lazy westerners will not countenance your taking their livelihood nor their meat. So get an educated politician ( oxymoron, I know, but) and raise awareness of all vegetarians to join with all vegans, to apply pressure via gov't. Absolutely no good trying to apply your ideal to more than one individual at a time at this level, because their unbalanced karma is such they mostly cannot afford monetarily or time-wise to apply your principles. Perhaps get together with like minds and begin a cheap and inexpensive vegan and vegetarian restaurant with cafe and savoury take-aways that are cheaper and less expensive for an individual than shopping and preparing themselves. Today, economics and convenience rule, ok