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RE: Hardforks, Communities, SMTs: Interview w/@justinw and @vandeberg

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Okay guys. Let me get this right. The problem is content discovery....the answer is communities. So if you join a community of "supposed" liked content you are more apt to discover what you are looking for or have an interest to read, if you read it then you are more apt to engage.

You know what though? That isn't happening. At least not to any great extent. Maybe if you are lucky you will find a comment, two, maybe three (and even that is iffy still as to if those comments don't believe to alts of the author) What we have found though is people joining communities basically saying "I'll pat your back if you pat mine" and put those people on their auto voters. One person even went as far as to tell me he doesn't have time to read the stuff his community writes and it's his stake, his right to put his vote where he wants to. The only way you are going to solve the lack of engagement is to get rid of auto votes, that makes individuals go out and look for the content in their community they want to up vote. One guy in a community wrote a post about three bags of shit hanging from a ceiling....and his community, on auto vote, up voted that shit to over thirty dollars. You see how this is not the answer to find quality content and up vote it? It's just a new way to circle jerk. It's even made it even all the harder for anyone else as all the votes are being distributed in a circle. I'll pat your back if you pat mine.

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Communities aren’t here yet so you must be referring to steem engine tribes that some are also calling communities - these are very different products (nothing against tribes, it’s also a cool but different product). Hive communities that we are developing include moderation features and you can subscribe to and view them from a single interface among other things.

No it's not cool to up vote content one doesn't honestly read and/or engage with, that's the whole premise that steem is based on, to claim otherwise is a flat out lie and deceitful to the platform's intended purpose.

I don't belive I made any claims for or against automated voting. Just pointing out that communities are not here yet and are a very different product than tribes.

Looking at the bigger picture - I believe what you are pointing out are issues with engagement and content discovery. Hive communities aim to help solve these problems.

When you make a statement as such:

it’s also a cool but different product

you are for people forming groups to circle jerk up voting each other using auto voter.

Nah, no where does anyone say the platform is filled with content to read and upvote all though that is one use.

Another is for stakeholders to allocate the stake to whatever they feel ads value.

Please do show us where the platform has ever been promoted as a gouging mechanism to make money. We'll be waiting....but if I was you I'd quit while I was ahead....otherwise I may have to go find a fifth grader to decipher for you what you just said.

Great to know this differences, would we have to wait for communities to be released to find out any other differentiating characteristics? Also, is there any option for you to integrate the work already done by Steem-engine team into the next communities and SMT releases?

Great to know this differences, would we have to wait for communities to be released to find out any other differentiating characteristics? Also, is there any option for you to integrate the work already done by Steem-engine team into the next communities and SMT releases

Hmm. So what you mean is that the model will be similar to reddit?

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Yes, it's quite clear that the idea of finding quality contents by means of voting is fundamentally wrong and steem is a wonderful demonstration of this fact. Quality contents is always appreciated by very few and not by crowds.

Nice statement. That is very true, even when it comes to authors you really like not everything or subject they write on will a person who usually enjoys their stuff will want to read.

By what mechanism is 'getting ride of auto-votes' even possible I wonder?

I am not sure but it can't be that hard, they got rid of the number of views an article received that use to appear. I am sure that was a decision made in regard to auto voting as it showed the extent to which people were just auto voting articles instead of reading and engagement. In all reality how can you have twelve views but seven hundred upvotes.

It was removed due to it being a poor implementation at the time. We have some ideas of how to better do this with hivemind and it's something we'll circle back around to in the future. We are not against having a view counter though - it would be a great thing to bring back in due time.

Give it some time. Communities don't exist, yet. Steem-Engine Tribes do. I'm sure it's a mixed bag when it comes to them.

I'm sure it's a mixed bag when it comes to them.

I am sure misuse of bots was a mixed bag also as some people opted not to use them.

Perhaps it's just me, but does anyone else see a disconnect with @sunlit7's comments?

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It's a hobby, been doing it for years, there's no disconnect.

I can't save you fifteen percent off your insurance every year but I can save you time responding back with more psychological manipulation, here have a salad, it's on me.

https://steemit.com/blog/@lucylin/word-salads-and-the-disingenuous-word-salad-warrior-for-hire

... there's no disconnect.

The disconnect was the gratitude that seemed to be expresessed for being set up for autovotes. Not sure what you are referring to by "salad". A Facebook thing perhaps?

Context is everything....his response was to a article I posted that got one cent after fourteen upvotes

That was pretty laughable, fourteen votes and one penny, it was already >laughable enough before. Thanks for the upvote.

My gratitude wasn't that he put me on autovoter but the fact that he wasn't going to see stuff I posted turn to dust after the hardfork was implemented. If I had written the post myself I'd went over to one of his post like I have done before and nudge him over to save my post from dust. I'd said something along the lines of could you see your penny pinching ass over to my post and save it from a dusting, cause we joke around that way all the time, he's a great guy that way, just as I tell him he's getting to be an expensive habit...give a guy a quarter of a penny up vote and next thing you know they want half a penny. So autovoter wouldn't have made an iota of difference, it was just another opportunity to joke around a bit like we always do.

... and nudge him over to save my post from dust.

Sounds like a dusty circle jerk to me. But that's just my opinion.

Some people take "value" in "customers" who have a good sense of humor, sometimes that better then the pennies of a dollar.

You have such a wonderful skill of coming up with such meaningless platitudes. Bravo! 👏

I guess I've been hanging out with you guys to long, picking up bad habits.

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