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RE: Right-Wing Websites Are Distorting Scientific Data to Attack Trans People ⚧
Pretty sure the conversation was about how the drug has caused deaths and therefore it is possibly unintelligent to give them to a 7yr old child... among other reasons why this is unintelligent.
It’s not an alt right thing or a “Christian” thing, it’s a common sense thing.
How do you feel about giving puberty blockers (that you just admitted have caused deaths) to a 7yr old child?
It almost sounds like you didn't watch this video, but if you did, they brought up how the drug is used for more than one condition and that puberty blocking isn't the most common condition it's used for.
Some of the conditions this drug is used for is life threatening, so quoting the deaths "involved" with the use of the drug is deceptive.
I explained the death part in the previous comment and again and if you didn't watch the video, it's okay, I read the texts in Steem posts too but the actual video has a lot more info.
Personally, I would only give one of my children the drug if I knew them REALLY well (which I would), if they were on the onset of puberty (NOT 7 YEARS OLD!!!) and if it was clear, or at least seemed very clear to me that they were actually transgender, and extremely transgender to avoid the possibility that they were not just following the trend.. that's not the stance of everyone in @atheistrepublic, @arminnavabi or @alliejackson but it is the response of one atheist.. me.
I did watch the video, yes. In the beginning, as well as in the text, you admit that “the numbers are accurate”... the issue you have is that because the drug is used for more than just puberty blockers that the numbers misrepresented how many actually died from using it this way, but the numbers are still accurate.
Saying “well of course some people will die” seems like an odd argument when accusing the other side of “attacking trans people.”
How is saying “hey guys, this drug you use for puberty blockers has led to 1000’s of deaths, perhaps it shouldn’t be given to children” attacking trans people?
I disagree with the idea that because some trans adults said it would have been easier for them to start the transition before puberty even took place as a good reason to start transitioning young children with a drug that could lead to issues down the road. Not only is it difficult for a child that age to understand the decision they are making, but doing so when a child is going through so many important development could disrupt their whole system.
All that aside, as my opinion is not really why I commented.. I just feel this post is twisting and misrepresenting just as you accused the other side of doing.
“The numbers are accurate” - you should of probably stopped there, as “I just don’t like the way they worded it” does not mean they are attacking anyone.
I saw the posts about the drug and there was nothing attacking about them and most definitely not towards the trans community, it was that of concern for a young child.
If “the numbers are accurate” then that concern seems pretty valid in my opinion.
Here is a quote from a news article that explains more:
The story went viral on right-wing news websites such as the Christian Post and the Daily Wire. According to CrowdTangle, a social media metric platform, these posts — including shares by Daily Wire founder Ben Shapiro and commentator Matt Walsh — are currently some of the top performing LGBTQ-related content on Facebook and Twitter.
The problem is: the “thousands” of people who die while taking these drugs are likely the terminally ill cancer patients who receive hormone blockers to fight hormone-sensitive cancers, like prostate cancer, according to experts.
The people who died while taking this drug probably died from cancer, not from a side-effect of the medication.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/viral-fake-news-story-linked-trans-healthcare-thousands-deaths-n1059831
You may have been looking at different posts from different communities. @atheistrepublic was referring to this:
Having said that, I'm also afraid of the well-being of that child.. not because of the drug alone but because he is 7 years old and is already being considered for transition. I think that is too young to consider anything of that nature.
So you are reporting based on an article that says they were twisting facts, but you did not go do the research yourself on the actual posts by the individuals you mentioned?
Do you know this for a fact? Well enough to actually report on such a thing at least to your large audience?
No, I saw the posts by those you mentioned here. I am not going by what someone else said they said, I’m going by what they themselves said - as I watched the story unfold.
And your click bait headline - where are the attacks to trans people and “distortion of scientific data”?
I just find it quite alarming that your whole video was about how these individuals did not do research and were misrepresenting facts, when you yourself are doing the same thing you are accusing them of.
I'm not @arminnavabi.. I'm a volunteer that manages his Steem account and he'd tell me the exact things you are telling me but I am mainly here to interact with his Steem followers and I am still learning the ropes as I go as I am a new volunteer of @atheistrepublic.
I agreed to anonymously volunteer for @atheistrepublic to bring them to the Steem blockchain and because I support @arminnavabi's stances on Freedom of Speech, the separation of Church & State and the idea of using the Prevention & Reduction of harm as a basis for morality.
There are a lot of things I agree with @arminnavabi on and some things I don't, but I DO agree with his practice of critical thinking and you are also calling me out on NOT thinking critically.
I didn't think critically in my replies and still have to learn and practice. The differences between what was said in the video and what I typed is due to me being a different person than any of the people in the video.
I joined @atheistrepublic specifically to help them join Steem and I actually grew to appreciate their work the more I got involved. Your feedback and constructive criticism will help me manage the comment section better @justineh.
If you notice, I upvote the most thoughtful comments and give the greatest voting strength to the best ones, whether or not it is for or against @atheistrepublic. That's my strategy, I think it's best for @atheistrepublic and I also think it will help me think critically better, and faster 😊
And I appreciate you taking the time to further a good discussion here and completely understand you cannot speak on behalf of those in the video etc.
Thanks for taking the time to have the discussion with me. All the best.
Thank you @justineh 😊
I reviewed our discussion with @arminnavabi earlier this week and I was informed that he doesn't pick the titles of these videos, nor does his team.
The team is only providing commentary in their videos of viral religious news and the Title + Description is the title and position of the news article they provide commentary on.
If you check the text of this post, a link to the sourced article is included and the article does not necessarily represent the views of any of the team, @arminnavabi or @atheistrepublic.
The things that each person said in the video represents their views and sometimes their discussions are not enough to cover the article in a comprehensive way 👍