Upvotes to re-steemers, perfect
Keep on not giving a shit about the content discovery, and bribe and trade for yourself. Just shows how little your claim that you care about distribution (how it's intended to work, for the best content and its curators, not randomly and to the biggest stakeholders) and the platform itself is worth.
"The crypto ecosystem owes the Steem blockchain and the STEEM token a nod of appreciation because it built one of blockchain’s first tangible real-world use cases, a decentralized social content platform. The years have not been kind to the platform, however, with clear flaws such as the manipulated upvoting of content and power disparities between users becoming increasingly apparent. As a result, many users have opted to switch to other platforms like Medium."
Re-posted here because my original was hidden. This time it doesn't even need an upvote for visibility ;)
I always cared and still do care about spreading over content, yes. I don't hunt the next trending, as I don't want to maximize my curation rewards. I want to support the broad base.
Good on him that he did. Unfortunate that he switched to trading votes mainly, or we wouldn't be here.
You cared and you wanted to, yet you gave up on voting quite early.
Now that you started your own curation initiative it didn't take long for things to go sideways, did it ?
You started one of the first flagging trails, called for the minnows to join you and started policing and now you are flagging this guy ? Together with @acidyo even ?
What an escalation. You even anarcho-shamed the guy for not being as anarcho as you or something in the other subthread ?
I skimmed through his video, rather than antagonizing him like a bully.
Sounded reasonable and I totally agree with him on curation trails.
I gave up when I didn't see something coming out of it, because not many others were doing so, yes. I returned when I got new hope that we can turn the ship around, by necessary changes in the code.
I don't see anything going sideways. We seem to stand at very different positions if you think that.
I'm not deciding on who to downvote, I only check the reasons submitters provide and remove what seems unjustified. Didn't happen so far. @acidyo joined because this guy was retaliating against minnows.
Anarcho shaming is a funny word. I don't even regard ancaps as anarchos, as they not only accept but praise the hierarchies money creates. But even if I did, I never understood the NAP they talk about all the time as something that justifies escalation in the level he did over there. "If you say this to me at Anarchapulco I'll punch your teeth out" was hilarious, besides the unacceptability of physical threats in any form on here.
The idea that people would use their mouse proved as unrealistic very quickly to me. Especially investors don't have much time for that obviously. But yes, we've been there both.
Agree with the rest too.
Another culture on here, less self interest, and we could've gone extremely far.
I like the concept of self organization and mutuality, but I'm not an activist who organizes on conferences and stuff to overthrow the state :D The self description is more of a play. I have most sympathy for the different traditional anarchist theories, but am too much of a rationalist to self identify with any political movement completely.
The idea that people would use their mouse proved as unrealistic very quickly to me. Especially investors don't have much time for that obviously.
And that is where I disagree.
It was just a handful of people, who were chosen. Obviously poorly so.
And they still own a huge chunk and call the shots. And are probably some of the few, who took a good profit.
The actual investors like @laonie (just to name one of the many) instead got burned.
I can not believe that after all this indifference you now police content and then not go after the big fish, but easily irritatable circlevoters who make real vlogs.
Sooner or later acidyo will throw a fit with you too and then things might get more interesting.
It is inevitable. You will have to start voting, or this is never going to work.
You have a huge stake still and should have an interest and even you can not muster 20 minutes per day - why would a minnow ? And then if that minnow was to engage, would he not appreciate a vote by checking back on the other persons blog and start circlevoting like that ?
only time i ever posted a comment like this here in 3 years....and you know exactly why i did it. i knew there was a reason i unvoted you as a witness.
You still bribed and traded, as you admitted yourself. Not as openly,so it's good that you finally come out as what you really are!
And if you think I'd give a shit about witness votes you have no idea why I'm here.
He didn't make his point by downvoting everyone in the trail?
But why am I trying to argue with someone who thinks upvotes for upvotes would be fair too.
Well, you defend someone who is trading votes, and blame the people who knowingly take the risk to get retaliation downvotes for using the way the system provides to counter groups voting in circles, and redistribute the rewards to everyone else.
Maybe you're too new to understand what's going on, but then you probably shouldn't be taking sides before having read the whitepaper and understand that downvotes exist specifically for this kind of users.
You guys are really going to be busy downvoting because I see auto voting going on all day long and pretty much on every post that has a steemian with $$ behind it. I get some of the reasoning but this was a great post possibly his best which makes the downvoters look suspicious of voting with hard feelings instead of objective reasoning. Possibly punish "circle jerking" another way instead of downvoting a great post.
Oh yes, we are very busy :/ That's why there is a trail.
It was the post with the highest rewards, which gives the most back to the community. I doubt that the delegator who submitted it watched the video, I honestly didn't when I checked if it's a valid submission.
What other way would you suggest? It's the one and only tool the blockchain gives.
It seems wrong to downvote quality since that is the main focus you want for our post. Maybe a fine would be more appro pro for voting style that goes against the rules.
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Upvotes to re-steemers, perfect
Keep on not giving a shit about the content discovery, and bribe and trade for yourself. Just shows how little your claim that you care about distribution (how it's intended to work, for the best content and its curators, not randomly and to the biggest stakeholders) and the platform itself is worth.
"The crypto ecosystem owes the Steem blockchain and the STEEM token a nod of appreciation because it built one of blockchain’s first tangible real-world use cases, a decentralized social content platform. The years have not been kind to the platform, however, with clear flaws such as the manipulated upvoting of content and power disparities between users becoming increasingly apparent. As a result, many users have opted to switch to other platforms like Medium."
Re-posted here because my original was hidden. This time it doesn't even need an upvote for visibility ;)
Like you gave a shit about discovering content yourself.
This dude did for 3 years. So did I.
Curation trails suck.
I always cared and still do care about spreading over content, yes. I don't hunt the next trending, as I don't want to maximize my curation rewards. I want to support the broad base.
Good on him that he did. Unfortunate that he switched to trading votes mainly, or we wouldn't be here.
You cared and you wanted to, yet you gave up on voting quite early.
Now that you started your own curation initiative it didn't take long for things to go sideways, did it ?
You started one of the first flagging trails, called for the minnows to join you and started policing and now you are flagging this guy ? Together with @acidyo even ?
What an escalation. You even anarcho-shamed the guy for not being as anarcho as you or something in the other subthread ?
I skimmed through his video, rather than antagonizing him like a bully.
Sounded reasonable and I totally agree with him on curation trails.
I gave up when I didn't see something coming out of it, because not many others were doing so, yes. I returned when I got new hope that we can turn the ship around, by necessary changes in the code.
I don't see anything going sideways. We seem to stand at very different positions if you think that.
I'm not deciding on who to downvote, I only check the reasons submitters provide and remove what seems unjustified. Didn't happen so far. @acidyo joined because this guy was retaliating against minnows.
Anarcho shaming is a funny word. I don't even regard ancaps as anarchos, as they not only accept but praise the hierarchies money creates. But even if I did, I never understood the NAP they talk about all the time as something that justifies escalation in the level he did over there. "If you say this to me at Anarchapulco I'll punch your teeth out" was hilarious, besides the unacceptability of physical threats in any form on here.
We stand on different positions then.
Here I was, hoping that one day, people would pick up their mouse.
I said this many times before: If the whales (had) not acted like they had won their stake at a bubblegum machine, we might have (had) a chance.
I never understood this anarchist thing - there will always be someone willing to punch you in the face for what you have.
The idea that people would use their mouse proved as unrealistic very quickly to me. Especially investors don't have much time for that obviously. But yes, we've been there both.
Agree with the rest too.
Another culture on here, less self interest, and we could've gone extremely far.
I like the concept of self organization and mutuality, but I'm not an activist who organizes on conferences and stuff to overthrow the state :D The self description is more of a play. I have most sympathy for the different traditional anarchist theories, but am too much of a rationalist to self identify with any political movement completely.
And that is where I disagree.
It was just a handful of people, who were chosen. Obviously poorly so.
And they still own a huge chunk and call the shots. And are probably some of the few, who took a good profit.
The actual investors like @laonie (just to name one of the many) instead got burned.
I can not believe that after all this indifference you now police content and then not go after the big fish, but easily irritatable circlevoters who make real vlogs.
Sooner or later acidyo will throw a fit with you too and then things might get more interesting.
It is inevitable. You will have to start voting, or this is never going to work.
You have a huge stake still and should have an interest and even you can not muster 20 minutes per day - why would a minnow ? And then if that minnow was to engage, would he not appreciate a vote by checking back on the other persons blog and start circlevoting like that ?
...
Running in circles here, really.
Safe travels !
only time i ever posted a comment like this here in 3 years....and you know exactly why i did it. i knew there was a reason i unvoted you as a witness.
You still bribed and traded, as you admitted yourself. Not as openly,so it's good that you finally come out as what you really are!
And if you think I'd give a shit about witness votes you have no idea why I'm here.
Upvotes to re-steemers seems fair if you're trying to make a point with a trail.
He didn't make his point by downvoting everyone in the trail?
But why am I trying to argue with someone who thinks upvotes for upvotes would be fair too.
Upvotes for re-steeming seems fair when countering a gang.
A gang xD You're hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
You're welcome. I'm fairly new here. What does xD mean?
I don't know what you mean "upvotes for upvotes would be fair too." Is that what you think I said. I'm not sure what that even means.
Well, you defend someone who is trading votes, and blame the people who knowingly take the risk to get retaliation downvotes for using the way the system provides to counter groups voting in circles, and redistribute the rewards to everyone else.
Maybe you're too new to understand what's going on, but then you probably shouldn't be taking sides before having read the whitepaper and understand that downvotes exist specifically for this kind of users.
You guys are really going to be busy downvoting because I see auto voting going on all day long and pretty much on every post that has a steemian with $$ behind it. I get some of the reasoning but this was a great post possibly his best which makes the downvoters look suspicious of voting with hard feelings instead of objective reasoning. Possibly punish "circle jerking" another way instead of downvoting a great post.
Oh yes, we are very busy :/ That's why there is a trail.
It was the post with the highest rewards, which gives the most back to the community. I doubt that the delegator who submitted it watched the video, I honestly didn't when I checked if it's a valid submission.
What other way would you suggest? It's the one and only tool the blockchain gives.
It seems wrong to downvote quality since that is the main focus you want for our post. Maybe a fine would be more appro pro for voting style that goes against the rules.