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RE: Anni Cyrus on M103 (Canadian Bill Proposition)

in #theglazovgang7 years ago (edited)

I don't know what happened to your other response which I read, but I have parts of your response saved so I'll provide it with my second response.

I can't believe this is the response you return with. 

[ she is criticizing the book and I am criticizing her way of criticizing the book. ]
You made parallels between her and ISIS. That is hardly just a criticism of her 'way of criticizing'. This is disingenuous.

[ You want to criticize Islam and the book. ok. Then? ]

Then what? It is a BOOK. Criticizing books and the ideas in them are what we do in western culture. That's how we progressed this far. If we can't criticize them, then how can we evolve our ideas?

[ You want to deport all Muslims from the west. ok. Then? ]

I've never once said that. I'm against Illegal Immigration. I'm not in favor of deporting those that are already here. I don't know what is the best solution for them. They aren't assimilating, and they want to destroy western culture because it is an affront to their religious doctrines. They openly call non muslims Kufah. They call western women dirty whores that can be raped and murdered without remorse. This is hardly a situation that is going to get better with time. You might find that difficult or even offensive to hear, but try to step out of your shoes and into the eyes of the victims, into the eyes of the Kufah.

There is another point to be made here too. It is ONLY this culture causing problems. There aren't any japanese rape gangs, there aren't any sikh terrorist attacks, and there aren't any jews running into newspapers with assault rifles because their god was depicted in a cartoon. This is ONLY muslims. Nobody would care if they were illegal immigrants if they would respect us and our culture, but again, in their eyes, we are only Kufah. We are less than human, they are the Nazis, and we are the Jews.
[ You want to annihilate all of them. ok. Then? ]

Seriously? I thought I earned a little more respect than this. But, I guess I was wrong.

[ I am not very sure which forces will end up returning me back to that from which I fled ]

The dark forces of radical Islam which are intent on destroying western society. You may think you're safe here in Canada, but M103 is going to provide Islam a strong foothold on Canadian soil. Before long the Islamic world you fled from will exist right here in Canada. If we even try and speak out against the oppression, we'll go to jail. And over time we'll be executed instead. Freedom isn't free. We fight for freedom of speech for everyone, or we lose everything.

[ but I am sure you don't want to be around someone who is protecting something that is hurting Your People and Your Race. ]

I have European ancestry. Specifically, I have mostly Scottish and UK blood. Therefore when my ancestral line is on an orchestrated path of genocide (indirect democide to be precise), of course I'm going to point that out. I think you see that as an insult to you because given the right perspective you could end up feeling ostracized. This was not my intention, and for what its worth, I'm sorry. You are as Canadian as I am (well nearly, you haven't learned how to end your sentences with 'eh' yet, but that's probably a good thing). You do not have European ancestry, but you embrace western cultural values. As far as I'm concerned, you are one of us.

When I said My People are going extinct, I meant Europeans or whites if you prefer of original decent. The European race is being extinguished through state orchestrated genocide. Here is an example of current UK trends:
http://time.com/3611399/britain-muhammad-popular-baby-names/

Try to put your self in my shoes for a moment. Imagine how you would feel if Christianity was invading Saudi Arabia, the people following Christianity were blowing up your people left and right, raping your people's daughters, while calling them names akin to Kufah, and your media and government were defending them? All the while passing laws where any criticism of Christianity would put you in jail.

By the way, the reason I shared that dark part with you is to show you that you're not the only one that can be offended by ideas. You don't like people criticizing your book unfairly. Ok, but I don't like you taking sides with the laws being passed to further genocide. It is offensive to me, just like criticizing Islam is offensive to you. I ignore these offenses because people should be allowed to have their own opinions regardless of the offense they might cause, and because I don't like playing the victim. But that is precisely what you did (and continue to do with this response also).

In spite of your response, which I consider to be extremely unfair and disrespectful to me, I am more than willing to continue friendship with you. I have seen much good in you, and it doesn't matter to me that this fairly strong difference exists, because I know who you are and what you are about. I've never seen you as my enemy. I don't see muslims or jews, or christians as my enemy either(until they get lost in collective ideology that is. I certainly see ISIS as my enemy, and people who call me Kufah). You are special to me, and I don't want to lose you. I may heavily agree with you on whether or not criticism of Islam is warranted in any form, but I am not looking to have everyone agree with me on everything.

The ball is in your court now.

Edit: Fixed some bad formatting that I didn't notice at 4h25...

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I deleted my response. However, since you read it. it all good.

It seems we are not able to reach a common understanding.

You certainly are considering me defending the book and Islam when I say that 90% of it is not bad.
For one last time I will try to make my stance clear. That doesn't mean You will have to agree with it, neither I expect you. But Just like you tried to make your points clear, I am trying as well.

When I try to see the good value in Islam and the book, I am not trying to defend it as ideology or words. To me it is all about connections. The bad verses in the book represent ISIS (An Ideology that was my enemy before it became yours even) but the good verses represent the rest of the Islamic population around the world.

When you are seeing the book as only words being criticized, I see it as people. People who have been born in the wrong place, at the wrong time and maybe with the wrong set of teaching values. But 90% of these people are trying to follow the good verses and they deserve to be acknowledged. Just as much as the 10% deserves to be criticized, resisted and combated even.

To me humans are humans no matter where they come from, their skin color, or location. I will not be angry if Saudi Arabia is invaded just because it is where I come from. I honestly have no feelings of connection whatsoever to that country or its people, but I will be angry because there are people there who are innocent despite the teaching they were raised up with. No matter where the invasion or killing is happening, my heart will ache for those people because they are humans.

To me, it is not about my ancestors or my people, its about humans. To you they can be disconnected, to me they are not. It is just as simple as that.

You want to hear about dark feelings? I do have dark feelings now too. The feelings of fear that were thrust inside of me by your words. The feelings of distrust.

If you feel disrespected by my words, I feel scared by yours.

You are special to me as well and I have been very sad yesterday as to how all of this has happened. My heart is overburdened with sorrow at the moment.

But if both trust and respect are starting to crumble, what would be left from the foundation of a relationship?

If you think the foundation can be saved, I am all for trying.

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