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RE: Whales No Up-Voting Test
What most people fail to realize is that some of us have lots of influence (and whalevotes) because we put 3 years of hard (and often costly) work and sacrifice into supporting the tech that made steem even possible! When others left, WE sacrificed and many times even paid large sums out of pocket.
Apparently that means I unfairly have too much support and should be downvoted/flagged for my LEGITIMATE work!? Hint...some of us intentionally chose not to have a witness in steem. Whilr some of us run a witness and decide to use their sp to screw those who are literally at the foundation of steems very existence.
Upvoted and following. Their is good thoughts in that fuzzyvest
(replying here due to nesting)
The idea behind the experiment is to see what happens if the whales don't vote, and the voting is left up to the dolphins and minnows.
I believe they have been trying to privately talk to as many whales as possible, so everyone is aware and in agreement, but obviously they either have not talked to you in private yet, or they did and you didn't agree.
If all the whales are not "playing along" then the experiment doesn't work. Due to the n^2 algorithm, it would just give a ton more influence to the whales still voting, and the dolphins/minnows would still have no say. Based on this, I think the plan is to 'cancel' any whales who are still voting through downvotes.
At the end of the day, it is just an experiment. The plan is not to make it permanent, and the whales can chose to end it at any time.
You don't seem to agree with it, but personally I am very thankful to the whales for doing this. IMO, the distribution of stake is one of the biggest issues right now, and if we don't find some resolution to it, then the value of everyone's stake goes down. The 'experiment' is obviously not going to be the final solution to the problem, but the fact that they are trying to come up with a solution is a very good thing IMO.
Experiments with people's feelings.
Nice for posterity of Steemit.
The funny thing is...i am easy to reach and am one of the people who has been around since day one. Abit knows how to reach me and NEVER did he even try. Instead...my post about the VALUE of steem being in its censorship resistance and the easily 15-20 hours of time spent promoting steem behind the scenes is SHAT on...
Any way this is cut...it was a terrible plan and terrible execution.
I don't really think that is what this is trying to accomplish. I agree that the early adopters earned the stake and influence that they have, and I oppose anything that aims to take that away in a way that is not fair to the original stakeholders.
The overall intention is to find a way for the platform to scale to a larger user base, where it is not just the early adopters running the show.
Also to note is this current test is just an experiment. It is not a permanent change, and it is being done voluntarily by the stakeholders themselves.
You must really want that abit witness vote ;)
Here is the fact: downvoting by abit is an experiment doomed to fail. If he intends only to do this for a short period...why try it at all?
Like i said before...i do legitimate work posting to this platform where for THE FIRST TIME in years i actually get paid for my work. And because my sacrifice has earned some backing from whales, it is considered unfair by abit to the point where he will FLAG my content? There is a reason why it is called flagging---it is meant to warn people that this person MAY be misusing the platform. Am i doing this? To those who know me...it should be insane to think this.
It is precisely these halfassed, partially-thought-through ideas that hurt this platform.
Just because abit can run a frigging witness and code doesnt mean he has the skightest clue about the psychology of incentivizing loyalty to the project.
Hint abit: if you want steem price to go back up...maybe you shouldnt have sold so much steem so early on when some of us were using what we were EARNING to try to continue improving the platform!
Abit will not stop my work. Ive done it for FREE for a long time before he could rape me in the ass here on steem...
I guess abit thinks i dont deserve what whales who upvote me want to give. Ill say this though...the last people you want to shit on are the ones who will do their work for free....because its THEY who will hold up the platform when terrible decisions like abits "test" have pushed away all the people who started actually gaining traction.
Is it obvious to anyone else that abit doesnt know what its like to have to rely on upvotes of people who deservedly trust him in order to get paid for his work? Must be nice sitti g in the ivory witness tower. He acts like hes givi g power back to the people??? I say he gives his steempower away then instead of trashing mine. I mean after all his job is largely automated while mine actually requires consistent work.
Fuzzy - I have respect for your opinion, but in this scenario I think you are overreacting a bit. This is not a permanent situation. The community of whales is merely running an experiment.
I agree 100% that the communication regarding this was handled poorly, and that you should not have found out the way you did.
I don't know how long the experiment is supposed to last, but seeing as it is not intended to be something permanent, I don't think the impact on you or anyone in the community is going to be that significant.
I think everyone that is involved wants to find a solution that is fair to both the original stakeholders (who earned the influence that they have, and deserve to keep it) and finds a way to address one of the bigger issues that is causing everyone's stake to go down in value.
Replying here due to nesting.
My support really has nothing to do with witness votes. I have been discussing changes with many people in the community to look for ways to balance out the interests of the original stake-holders, with those of growing the platform to scale to billions of users. It is widely agreed to by most people in the community that the distribution of stake is one of the bigger issues holding the platform back from growth.
You can read some of my views on the subject here:
https://steemit.com/steem/@timcliff/whales-can-the-community-buy-out-a-portion-of-your-influence
Also, this is not just @abit's initiative. It was discussed among many of the whales, and there seems to be a majority consensus behind it.
The majority consensus to flag people with whale accounts who gain support of whales?
Ok so what happens when a bunch of "whales" just power down into 100 small dolphin accounts and start upvoting things? Where does this madness stop?
The problem with steem isnt the distribution at this early stage. Its that we have groups of whales who decide its a good idea to start MISUSING the flagging feature of steem!
This is ridiculous. The system at present is FINE. Steem has been ive for less than 1 year in Beta!
The way to fix steem is to actually change the N^2 aspect of rewards, not to flag peoples content! There is historically consensus on killing poor jews too...
Based on the fact that all of the whales were not contacted prior to the experiment, I agree that the execution was bad. There should have been better communication.
Dude...i literally just recruited someone who is promoting steem to people who have been censored on other platforms as well as to her 60,000+ followers.
I was planning on taking the funds from that post and giving them to her to incentivize her learning more about it. So I need to know: Do you think this is behavior whales should punish? Because very few others will actually take the time to even do such outreach and never give up until results are produced. And im sure minnows who havent done shit to prove themselves will complain about not getting paid fairly by whales. This doesnt make it right for them to wish me to lose support because I am willing to spend hours upon hours doing something they are not doing...
Ill tell u right now if they had informed me of this bullshit, id have just stopped trying to even get her. They DISSINCENTIVIZED me from doing what I DO BEST! Considering im one of the people who is credited with having an important role in steems creation + the FACT that i have not even asked for my own personal witness (like many posters here have done) should tell you I am not the kind of person you want to hurt...because givi g resources to me means giving resources to someone who GENUINELY has cared about this platforms best interests from day one. Last I checked it is people like me who build and give steroid injections to entire communities. These are the kind of people i WANT to reward! (Or at the VERY LEAST not punish!)
SO...what are the consequences of these whales actions? Did they REALLY help? Or are they shooting all of us in the faces?
If you have been involved for so long, why is it that you can oppose a very core idea of Steem, that every is free to use their votes as they wish, and that this freedom is essential to the health of the blockchain?