Excellent post @redheadpei! My first mother-in-law was an Astrologist. She used to be invited on cruise ships to read for passengers. She didn't use the computer programs either but did have reference books. She did my chart and was pretty spot on with a lot of info. She could also tell you how many guides and Angels you had watching over you. She was a lovely person that is no longer on this plane and she was a pretty good Astrologist.