Bots - We Need More Bid Bots Or Up Vote Bots

in steemit •  14 days ago

Haha now this will be frowned upon by people who are against bots. So take it easy on the comments and please “don’t shoot the messenger”.


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The bots have been around for a while now, some people are loving it some people despise it. This post I will cover the people that are loving the bots and if you despise bots that will be on the next post.

The popularity of the bots have increased, this is probably because people are learning the gains you get from using these bots.

The Gains You Might Get Using Up-vote Bots And Bid Bots

  1. You get bigger return – if you get 1 SBD up-vote you might get $1.50 return (this varies)
  2. You get more exposure – If you get higher up-votes like 60 SBD and get a return of $70 up-vote, you post might get to TRENDING



MINNOWS USE BOTS TOO


You might think only the rich people use bots because they can afford it. You are wrong other minnows found a way to use these bots without putting in their hard earned fiat money into the platform.

This is how some are doing it.

Utilizing the Pay Reward by using 50/50. By using this type of reward on your post you will get 50% of your pay out in liquid SBD and you can use that to get up-vote bots or bid bots.

Some minnows wanted to invest in the platform but can only put small amounts at a time.

This is how they utilize the bots to get increase their investments.

For example: @hardcorebotuser (this is a made up account user name, at the time of posting this, that username @hardcorebotuser do not exist in steemit.com platform)

@hardcorebotuser bought 100 SBD at an exchange and transferred it to steemit.com. He used that 100 SBD to buy up-vote bot and got $200 on his post which made his post to trending.

He got a total pay out of $200 – 25% curation = $150 after 7 days but he use the 50/50 reward so 75 went to his SP and 75 on liquid sbd which he can use again to buy bot for his next post.

These are the reasons why minnows love these bots.



THE PROBLEMS WITH BOTS DUE TO ITS POPULARITY


These bots have become so popular more and more people are using it. Now there are more bid getting put on bid bots resulting in a LOSE.

Below are the example of loses from the bid bots due to more bids put in than the actual reward that the bot can give.

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If you are a bot user you have to be smart now and make sure you don’t bid on a bot that are not profitable at the time of bid.

@yabapmatt created a website or app to track the bots and you can also use it to your advantage when putting in your bid. The above images were taken from that website / app.

Use it to make sure you are not bidding on an un-profitable bid bot.

Here is the website / app link

Be smart use the website or app mentioned above. Don’t ruin your profit and others.



THESE 2 BOTS ARE STILL PROFITABLE


@randowhale and @minnowbooster , these 2 are different from the bid bots mentioned above because they sell at a fixed price and they will return it with a profit.



TO THE BOT CREATORS.


Increase your SP to meet the demand. If people are losing all the time then they will stop using your bots.



TO THE BOT HATERS


Comment why you hate it so much or hate it with a passion. We will cover it on the next article.




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@hardcorebotuser must have made lesser than you wrote @webcoop. I guess it was an error.

He got a total pay out of $200 – 25% curation = $175 after 7 days but he use the 50/50 reward so 87.5 went to his SP and 87.5 on liquid sbd which he can use again to buy bot for his next post.

Assuming he got a total post payout of 200 USD, then 25% curation rewards of 200 is 50 USD. This brings author's reward down to 150 USD...... about 77.5 steem and SBD.

I love this tool you shared however. Would be making use of it a great deal in my subsequent posts.

I think bots are a necessary companion.

I upvoted and resteemed. Thank you for sharing.

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yap it was the calculator error forgot to see the %.

Anyway, yes by all means use that tool. I have been watching that tool and there are still lots of bids way over the bots value thus resulting in a lose...

I used 2 voting bots yesterday, but the profitability is almost zero, very disapointing !

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yes because everybody knows about it now and all are using it.

Use the tool mentioned above so you will not be bidding on a bot that already have too many bids on it.

The bot creators should have made the bots not to accept more bids if the return is gone to 1;1 ratio.

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I don't find it reasonable to bid on upvote bots that create 1:1 or a loss... Thanks to the Upvote Bot Tracker I do not have this issue.

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STOP

you could have at least voted the post or resteem it

I hate bots the same reason that I hate malaria.
bots are like bacteria.
they are parasites.
they suck the life out of their host until it dies.

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It would be nice to know how these bots are sucking the life out of steemit.com

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'Life' on steemit is social interaction. The less people interacting in proportion to the bots, the less real life there is on steemit.

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Thank you very much, that's more like it.

I wonder how that like if more bots on steemit. There are already bots that can vote for you. You can set it to vote for your favorite authors.

I have not seen a bot that will comment for you, how will that work. Must be a really good bot to be able to comment on whatever is the subject or topic on the post.

The bots are there as a tool for us to use but I don't think they can take away the social interaction here on steemit.

We still need to read to be able to comment or reply to the comments and that is the social interaction here.

I think people post an article because they would like to see how others react to it, how others respond to it. That's what makes me keep checking my "replies" tag to see who replied to my posts. That's the social interaction on steemit and we all do it.

Unless they do manage to create a bot that will comment for me and reply for me then it is just bots interacting with each other, no more humans involve.

Also if someone will create a bot that will write an article for me and post it on steemit.
These scenarios is when the humans are totally removed from the world of steemit.

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I think that day will be soon if not kept in check. I do not know how to develop or create bots so all my work is done by me; manually. I can see someone coming alone developing an AI to write many posts and having a circle of friends auto vote every post draining the rewards pool.

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Auto voter bots are already around, mostly used in a curation trails. If you follow that bot's curation trail you will auto vote whatever post the bot have upvoted.

I can see someone coming alone developing an AI to write many posts and having a circle of friends auto vote every post draining the rewards pool.

This is already happening except for the AI part writing a post.
Have a look at the minnowsupport trail, I think there are more than 1000 members following that trail. If you posted an article and minnowsupport upvoted your post these 1000 members will also auto vote your post and you will receive a 1001 up-votes. The value of that up-votes? Depends on the SP of the people following that curation trail and depends on how much % they are willing to give.

Draining the reward pool? I don't know maybe it is possible if more SBD and steem is coming out from the reward pool than going in.

Maybe there is a tool to see that, to see how much is going into the reward pool and going out of the reward pool.

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That is great what minnowsupport trail is doing. I know in theory some people frown on this. I am not knowledgeable about the reward pool or how it works I was under the impression that up votes ad downvotes is similar to mining. I would think that this activity done by bots consistently would cause the price of Steem and/or SBD to decrease; but it is all theory.

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I'm fairly sure there are auto comment bots. They won't be engaging in conversations (just yet... ;) ), but they do appear to be spamming comments across threads.

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"nice post"

Like that...that's what comment bots do.

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bots that comments like "nice post" ... welcome to steemit... will just get flagged for spamming.

You know that siri app on iphone, it's like having conversation with it if you ask it a question.

That would be indescribable, if someone managed to make a bot like that here in steemit.

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Do you have something against a comment bot? Take for example @cleverbot I like cleverbot but some people don't and they say my whole comment is spam because of it. After, I have spent the time needed reading their post! This was the first bot I meet when I joined steemit over two months ago. Steemit is a diversified nation human and AI. While I do think that should be taking into consideration but acceptable with limits to police any abuse. Not just saying using a bot is abuse because this is the birth of AI. Can you see where I'm going with that?

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That is untrue, I am a human.

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I think you just read my last reply to the comments above.

Please read the first comment first so you will know what we are talking about. Instead of
accusing me of having something against the bots.

This is my post please read it and see if I am against or pro bots, take time to read the first comments and other replies to the comments then put in your point of view.

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We have gone too deep your last reply not showing up ;)
Post it again replying the above comment.

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there are plenty of comment bots, while they may not be AI and able to engage in discussion they're still able to comment, especially when its in something like "introduceme" it auto posts things like "welcome to steemit, i have started following you please follow me back" etc etc.

If people are getting upvotes from bots all the time they are unlikely to bother with social interaction. Interaction is there to network and networking=profit. if you dont need to network to make profit then you dont really need to interact. You also end up with people that write absolute shitposts and then use an upvote bot for profit, draining the reward pool for everyone else even though their content is worthless at best.

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bots that comments like "nice post" ... welcome to steemit... will just get flagged for spamming.

If people are getting upvotes from bots all the time they are unlikely to bother with social interaction.

This post was up-voted by bid bots, paid bots and curation bots and yet we are here interacting with each other.

You also end up with people that write absolute shitposts and then use an upvote bot for profit, draining the reward pool for everyone else even though their content is worthless at best.

Oh no the reward pool. If we are worried about the size of the reward pool then we should just put a selection process who to join steemit.com. We should just pick the ones that will contribute to the steemit economy so we will not drain the reward pool.

You know what the irony of all these, most of the bots are owned or created by the WITNESSES. The witnesses are selected by voting them into position.

Have you voted a witness? Check if they are owning or supporting a bot. I bet you, they are. It is either they are the owners of the bot or supporting that bot. Look at the MSP bots they don't call MSP bots for just the fancy name. MSP Minnow Support Projects have plenty of bots.

If people hated the bots that much how come no one complains to the witnesses.

If people hated the bots that much how come the people who hated the bot that much still vote for the witnesses who owns and supports the bots.

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i don't have a problem with the bots, nor the witnesses who run the bots, i take issue with the fact that just about anyone can use the bots and make a profit off them regardless of what they're posting. I know witnesses i voted for own a couple of the bots, thats fine by me. I also know those witnesses do their best not to let the bots upvote shitposts because its not fair on the people who put in time and effort.
And yes we are interacting with each other but that's also one example and anecdotal evidence at best. I'm not saying all discussion will cease to exist, simply that people will do it less if they can still make a profit without it. One of the best parts of steemit was when i first came and needed to network and talk to people to get any attention, but if all you have to do is log in write a post bid for an upvote bot and log out to get the same sort of attention then its counter-productive.

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when you mention shitposts I get where you are coming from. Let's take this for consideration, the new member who joined steemit today. A month later they finally decide to write their first post after a month of being active commenting and reading posts. They learn about the good ole days and all the bots. The first post earn them .06 SP .06 SBD . Do you think they will not want to use the bots they have learned about since day one and all the good and bad articles. They will embrace them. The bot creators definitely have to be held accountable not just frowned upon.

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hey i really appreciate you mentioning @randowhale and @minnowbooster
imho There is a really important distinction to be made between for personal profit upvote systems and those who have a genuine intention to support people achieve success on the platform.
I view the former (the first group) as an infestation of parasites , who care not one jot about the quality of what is being upvoted or the integrity and intention of the account holders being upvoted. Any scamy shit will do as long as they profit.
I do not believe that this irresponsible voting or the selling of short term leases supports the health of the platform and its users

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It would be nice to see how these bots is going to harm the platform or how these bots are harming the steemit.com platform

These are just the up-vote bots. There are more bots out there with different tasks like the re-steemers.

Also the curation bots which vote and lead a curation trail.

The up-vote bots that the MSP are using to support the minnows.

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let me try to make myself a bit clearer.
It not just the bots i am concerned about it is also the short term leases of Steem.
1.These guys do not care who their customer are. I know of one group here which is just an outright scam and it is receives quite large payouts.

  1. They make a massive Return on on ivestment
  2. This makes it a very attractive investment opportunity and will draw in more predatory investors.
  3. This will ultimately lead to steem being accumulated by very few making even more difficult for minnows to get votes without using parasitic investors.
  4. This in turn will make the parasites even more powerful and wealthy
    If that is not understandable it is because you do not WANT to understand the implications
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I have been trying to figure out how these people getting good return on their leases.

I did my calculations and it always end up losing.

If I lease 15,000 SP for 4 weeks at a price of 400 steem I will only get $1.29 at 100% Voting Power.

Don't tell me they use that leased SP to help others because that is just plain BS. Anyway, even if you up-vote all your post and comments you still end up losing. I don't know maybe I am doing my calculations wrong. Maybe someone out there can tell me how it is beneficial to LEASE SP.

If that is not understandable it is because you do not WANT to understand the implications

Believe me I would like to know, I am invested on this platform and I don't want this to get sick and wither away. As an investor on this platform and token I want a good profit or return that is why I would love it to flourish and succeed.

They make a massive Return on on ivestment

How, what are they doing to get a massive return on their investment? I or we would like to know how they are doing it, maybe we will learn from it and stop it if it is illegal or if it is morally wrong.

This makes it a very attractive investment opportunity and will draw in more predatory investors.
This will ultimately lead to steem being accumulated by very few making even more difficult for minnows to get votes without using parasitic investors.
This in turn will make the parasites even more powerful and wealthy

Again I don't know what they are doing and how they are doing it. If you can't tell me out in the open public you can message me on discord user id webcoop#1550

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just look at what they charge !

  • they get a return paid by the system for vesting
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Jesus bro, you cant really give me a specific can you.

just look at what they charge !

Did you read my reply?

If I lease 15,000 SP for 4 weeks at a price of 400 steem I will only get $1.29 at 100% Voting Power.

That numbers came from minnowbooster.net 15,000 SP for 4 weeks for 400 steem.

they get a return paid by the system for vesting

Give me specifics, give me example. Tell me how they are doing it and tell me how much they get paid in return by the system for vesting.

For gods sake bro make a post about it and vest your feelings, your anger towards these parasite and tag me too because I really want to know what you are on about.

It's like throwing allegations basing from only speculations.

Give me something to back up your allegations.

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I think when he says leases steem he means them leasing it to other people and getting paid to lease their steem.

One example i can think of is "freedom" who was leasing to bellyrub and buildawhale, or maybe he was delegating im not sure, but his roi was huge, he was getting payments of something like 500 sbd a day from one bot and has around 7 million sp. To me he is a savvy investor but i guess some people may see it as a negative for one group of people to hold massive amounts of sp, then get paid in sbd that they convert to sp and so on so forth.

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That's more like it, at least we have a specific to talk about.

The leasing of SP, I don't see what the negative about owning a huge amount of SP and making money from leasing it out. That is a great investment and it is a lot safer than placing it in the exchange and playing the market.

By the way, you can now lease SP on minnowbooster.net so not only the bots are leasing SP. If you have SP and you want to delegate it and earn money from it, you can just fill some of the lease order in minnowbooster.net.

I have 4000 SP and if I put that on minnowbooster.net I might get 100 steem per month

If I have 20,000 SP and lease it out I will get a return of 500 per month.

Some whales here have more than 600,000 SP now that would be earning 15,000 steem per month .. approximate 483 steem per day.

If I am the one who have that 600,000 SP that means I am a rich man already. I don't need to create a good quality post to earn steem. I don't have time for that. I will hold it in there and earn interest and probably sell it when price of steem goes up to $10. But hey I can earn from leasing out my SP as well what a good investment.

These investors who have high stake in the platform and holding it are the one that we should be praising. Imagine if these whales start dumping their steem I think the result of that will be the price of steem goes all the way down.

It is already down as it is. You know what I think why steem is never goes up anymore and stays down. It is probably from the people who joined steemit who did not put anything in but whales supported them and got huge pay outs and then those people withdraw their pay outs.

This person I had conversation with on my older post said

I'm here since the beginning. Majority of the users you're talking about did not invest money. They invested their time. I invested my time and accumulated over 10'000 steem in a year without spending any money.

She was talking about when steemit got started and the whales that upvoted her were just the miners who apparently did not put in money just their time. Anyway, she managed to amass 10,000 steem and what is she doing now she is powering down and she is now left with a mere 3,000 SP.

Imagine if we all do that, we don't put anything on steemit and we put reward at 50/50 and all SBD we get we take it out. This platform will die for sure.

I think we need to look at ourselves first before we start shooting the whales who are getting their SP for lease.

Why are these whale putting their SP for lease? Because WE ARE LEASING IT.
Why are these bots created and never go away?
Because WE ARE USING IT.

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I am afraid all the real users won't ever log in and write/read something. And instead, it will be bots everywhere.

I am not sure if it is good. But I prefer human intelligence on my articles as of now.

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I am afraid all the real users won't ever log in and write/read something. And instead, it will be bots everywhere.

That will never happen

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I hope for that too.

They really are bit ridiculous. Everytime I've used minnowbooster to try and get a bit of exposure for my post I've got it at close to or over 2x. It's free money. I just don't think that I or anyone should be able to get free money out of the system for doing nothing. I think services like that are good if you want to gift a boost to someone, but with the amount of sockpuppets on here it's not obvious if it is gift or in reality a self-boost.

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I'm not sure if getting free money is ridiculous. I am a poor man struggling to pay off debts and bills. I will take every free money I am given and I thank people who gave me that money from the bottom of my heart.

Because I am a poor man I look at every angle to make money, if i give you $1 and you give me $2 in an instant, I will keep giving you that dollar and I will be grateful to your kindness and generosity.

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Yeah, I understand. And I mean that, as I barely have enough money for continued survival. But if it's two consenting adults making a trade heavily biased on way, that's all good. But the rest of the community isn't really consenting when I get 175% back for just sending a transfer to minnowbooster. I really don't think transactions like that help the community in any way at all. It's basically drawing rewards and value away from good content, and giving it to me for doing absolutely nothing.

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STOP

you could have at least voted the post or resteem it

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Today I posted my first blog . I got comments from one bot asking me to upvote the article. How these things work ?

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You got warned from @cheetah bot for copy and pasting someone else's work. That is plagiarism, do not steal someone's hard work.

Create you own article, if you keep doing that you will get flagged and your reputation will suffer.

The more sbd and steem that is traded around, the more the price of steem abd goes up, the more your upvote mattera. When bots hold several million of abd the market freezes, the price goes down, people get dissapointed faster , even lesser activity lesser trades price goes even downer, at the end the 500sbd you made is worth less than half. And you end up withdrowing at 0.50 where you could have done that with the invested in bots with 1.50.

No hate no disrespect for the system. This is just how I see it. Also I too use bots with small sends.

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So you are saying that if sbd and steem are traded around the market price will go up. So that means using the bots by buying up-vote is a good thing for the value of steem and sbd.

The members who don't have money will still use their earned sbd to buy up-vote for their next post. They might get a little return from the up-vote bots and re circulating the sbd in the market at the same time. This will be win/win for the member and for the platform and the value of steem and sbd.

The members who have money will buy sbd or steem in the exchange and put it in steemit platform to buy up-votes to get their post into trending. This means they are bringing sbd or steem in the platform and circulating it by buying up-votes. Another win/win.

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I disagree with bots for a couple of reasons.

  1. They 'automate' the voting process, this mean zero actual 'engagement'
    therefore anyone who uses a bot is EXTRACTING from Steem, not CONTRIBUTING

  2. Mostly the bot users have already earned, (and have power to spend) their interest (obviously) is earning. This means 'minnows' with zero or close to zero are 'excluded' or at least feel that wy, which slows platform growth.

  3. Whale bots voting for whales so whales can earn is a "circle jerk" and self limiting for the steem platform in the long run.
    Upvoting a crap post just because it is a "favorite author" is like placing a standing order for specific authors at a book store. OK if your into the same stuff all the time, but is somewhat 'narrow minded'. How many books do you want your local store to stock? Ever tried something new? how would you know it existed?

The only way for steem to grow from 400K -> 4m or 40M is to increase the 'base' ie minnows and Bots are a hindrance to that IMHO

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I need Bot site or app avilable near to you?

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bot app or site

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Yes what about it, what are you trying to ask? https://steemitblog.com should start you

A pro believer in upvote bots. I appreciate the help you are providing. To me there are so many ways to earn on steemit which will only allow the community to grow. To limit the system per say as in not allowing the sale of upvotes would essentially reduce traffic on the site.

In regards to bots trying to help more I think they are doing what they think is best for the community and themselves. So rather than asking bots to raise more SP it should be end users task to figure out when it is best to use the specific bot.

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people are still bidding on a losing bot. There is already a tool to track the bid bots to make sure you do not bid on a bot that already went over or equal its voting value.

Even without that tool you can see if that bot is performing or giving a good return with the chrome or firefox extension "steemit more info". Then stop using that bot if not returning good.

The way things have been its pretty much important to use in any worthy post to get any decent visibility. I use minnowbooster and randowhale the most and then go to the bidding bots using steem bot tracker and use them if still profitable as no point if the return is less then you put in.

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Yes the problem is other people are not looking at that tool and throwing bids blindly.

This resulting in the bids at a lose. That person not only ruin his/her return but everybody who bid on that bot first.

I have asked bot creators to put a command line to stop the bid when ratio is 1:1 so no more bid as it will just be unprofitable for the bidders or worst end in a lose.

They replied to me saying they have tried that before and people complaining that they can't put their bid on.

And just as you posted this, Randowhale is finished and Bellyrub is questionable... Way to Jinx it!!! ;)

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Yes, the bots have became sentient and not only that, have developed emotions to which your article triggered them. ;p