RE: Draining reward pool with auto-votes by @dana-edwards (73 reputation)...We must stop it!
@cmoljoe here's a short reply as to why I'm auto-voting dana. I see you joined in may this year, so you most likely haven't read the fantastic articles that she posted back in the days, showing an understanding of blockchains, complex systems, group psychology, etc. that few people possess, and even fewer people have the capacity to write about in a clear and detailed way. At that time, she was literally getting peanuts for these very long articles (most likely because the amount of people able to grasp the subject matters was very small) and I thought it would be a shame to see such a person go away from Steemit, as she was contributing (at least to me) a huge value. After having missed a few of her articles, I decided to auto-vote to incentivize her to stay.
It is true that since then, I have to admit that the quality (again, to me) of her posts went down, and the frequency went up, and I haven't changed my auto-voting. I have reconsidered that decision, and have lowered the amount of SP with which I vote her, but still see her as a person I want to support so I won't remove my auto-vote yet. IMO she has earned it, and unless she starts posting crap I don't think I'll remove it. She now posts more like a "daily digest of scientific news" rather than "rare, enlightening posts about complex systems and blockchains", which I still see value in. YMMV.
I appreciate your responce. To who your auto-vote will go is your choise of course. But must say that your auto-vote to @dana-edwards is on every post she makes, even simplest one like this. https://steemit.com/steemit/@cmoljoe/maybe-i-don-t-get-it-need-your-opinion
This post don't deserve pennies and not 25$. You are just one of same auto-upvoters on her posts. It's seems to me that she started using that just to take money from Steemit and not to contribute to the community. Don't know how it use to be, but it changed for sure. I followed her because I like some of her posts, but slowly I realized she is posting most of stuff with few sentences with reference link just for money. If that wasn't the case, she woudn't post 18 articles in period of 24 hours. Don't want to say some of her posts are not spreading interesting info, but few sentences and reference link are not even close to 25$. I don't have anything against her posts, but have against her post with few sentences and reference link getting 25$+ on regular bases. It use to be 50$+, your lowering of amount upvote explains it little bit. Don't know is there option you auto-vote only part of someone's articles?
Many people are trying to make it on Steemit. When they see people getting 25$+ for shit post and their effort not been appreciated, they leave Steemit. I didn't write article about her because of me. I did it because that is killing Steemit slowly and it is not fair. I saw many people complaining that same people are getting money all the time and their posts nothing. Who will keep writing on that site? To be honest, it breaks my heart to see people trying to write original articles for pennies and then to go on feed and see @dana-edwards getting 25$+ for few sentences. That is not fair and it is keeping people away from Steemit. If we want to build fair system, we must be fair...it's simple.
I understand your point of view, and understand that it can be disheartening for new people to see this. However, in my eyes dana has put a lot of work in the platform, and deserve to be recognized for that. If there was a way for me to support her directly (ie: by contributing SP directly to her and not voting on her articles), this is probably what I would do. I was very reticent in the beginning to set my autovote on her, because I don't like the concept of autovoting either, and feel that every vote made in my name engages me personally. However, I believe there needs to be a way to support authors, and until that way is found, designed and implemented, I see no better way to achieve this than autovoting.
Also, if people come to Steemit, write a couple of posts for pennies, and leave because they didn't make 25$ immediately, then so be it. It has been said multiple times, but Steemit is not a get rich quick scheme. Dana has been here for a long time, and never stopped posting, even when she got nothing from it.
Another point, I'd like to disagree when you say that she doesn't contribute to the community, when she's engaging in conversation on pretty much all of her posts.
And finally, on the subject of quality and fairness, you should remember that it is very subjective: the fact that someone spends a lot of time writing a post does not make it good automatically (beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right?) and vice-versa. So what I mean to say is that one should not judge someone, a post or the value that is displayed next to it after seeing it, but should rather look at it over time. Steemit is a complex platform, and although it is tempting to just look at the value in $ that is shown, one should strive to have a bigger horizon before making judgments.
Without a doubt (beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right?) @cleverbot also, hard work pays off and she has found her niche. @cmoljoe I hear where you are coming from but she is established firm and it is what it is. If I was to post it or a lot of minnows who you say post quality then they deserve your upvote if you like it. I am not a developer of have auto upvote set up yet but it is fair to say that if I did I would want people I auto upvote to earn and have a nice group of followers. Also, what is the solution to the issue at hand. I guess discussion and bringing it to light will eventually help find the solution.
I'm not totally against auto-votes if bloger deserve it. In opinion of some she did deserve it and they gave her auto-votes. But does that mean she can then post only articles in form of few sentences and reference link? My opinion she got little bit greedy and saw Steemit as job where her job is to make the most money as she can. Don't saying she posted bs, but form of articles she posted can be made up to 20min. There are news from bla bla few sentences and referal link...it takes no much time. Anyone can do it and post 20 articles per day...do they deserve 25$ per every article? Everybody will say no. If they don't deserve it, she neither.
If someone is established bloger, that doesn't mean he is sacred cow who can't become greedy. 18 posts in period of 24 hours is saying a lot. Every post 25$+...you do the math. 64% of her votes are self votes. Long story short...she become greedy little bit and started pumping articles only for the money.
You make valid point of an issue with no solution. Why go back to 4 limit post when multiple posts are better but the real issue is why use auto vote to allow people to do what you are complaining about. I am also guilty of self voting and it is addictive.
More manual voting is solution. Also auto-voters need to check people they upvote more frequntly are they abusing it.
Self upvote in pennies is not big deal. I saw people like @craig-grant upvoting his comments with7$ all the time. That is abusing reward pool. He also made posts with one sentence so he can upvote it with 20$+. Don't know does he still do that because I unfollow him.
You don't have eyes, I do.
I agree with everthing you said. I said alredy that I don't have anything against her posts and not saying that she don't contribute to the community (I see I said it previous reply :P). Few sentence + reference link article about something she thinks it is important people to know is great. But that article can't be worth 25$! If only few of that kind of articles made her 25$ that will be ok, but all is bs! Don't care who wrote those few lines, it is not worth that money! I can pump 20 similar articles per day if I wanted to. It is so simple, you read the article somewhere, write few lines about it + and reference link...and it's done.
Not saying she has bad intent with her articles, but when someone is pumping 20 similar articles in peroid of 24 hours, it is only for the money. She has perfect system for taking money from Steemit and was using it quite well. I'm sure she was doing that. Sometimes greed for money take over someone.