Open Letter to @ned and all Steemians - Stop the wars and the abuse of steem power, we are only damaging Steemit!

in steemit •  6 months ago

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Dear @ned I write this letter addressed to you and all Steemians, I do not know if you will ever read it, but I feel the duty to do so to raise awareness on the issue and that we can work together to make Steemit a better place.

I want to tell what happened to me about 10 days ago, but not to point out my incident, but because I'm sure I'm talking on behalf of many and I fear for the good future of this platform if the things continue to go in this way.

A few days ago, after voting for a post of @berniesanders, I was flagged with no valid reason by these 3 accounts @done @bcc and @btu, just because I voted for Bernie Sanders I received 6 downvotes in two my posts. The fact that the reason is this is obvious, these 3 accounts are in war with Bernie Sanders and they wanted to punish me for supporting him. I have no interest in meddling in wars that I can not fight and I would not, I gave my little support to Bernie just because he was one of the few that support my start here on Steemit. But as I said it is not for the loss of this money that I write, but for the fact that there was not a valid reason for this action and that I am only one of the many victims of these injustices.

My posts that were flagged were posts that had nothing to do with anyone, 100% original and they talked about my project to invest in Steemit. Invest in Steemit to support more people and bring new value to the platform. I am a small fish and as a person I am not rich, but I wanted to invest the same and share my idea because I believed in a better future and I believed in other people. Steemit on a personal level has given me a lot and my main idea is sharing, there are users who use their steem power only on themselves and there are users like me who use it for others. You all know that Steemit is an open book and you all can control what I say, you will see that more than 90% of my upvotes are divided among many users that in my little I try to help.

After always behaving respecting everyone and everyone's ideas and dedicating myself to other people, sensitizing them to the proper use of Steemit, be massacred just because I once gave my support to Bernie Sanders I do not find it right, for fear of receiving further repercussions I also removed my upvote from his post... Do you understand the fact? We are talking about PSCYCHOLOGICAL TERRORISM here on Steemit. Now people are no longer free to vote for someone for fear of being slaughtered.

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What they do not understand is that acting like these 3 accounts did, they are not only hurting me, but Steemit itself. So they should understand that even their investments of a lot of steem power will be lost if steemit continue in this direction. Already the situation of cryptocurrencies is experiencing difficult times, if the damage is created even from within then it will be difficult to think of a rose future.

In addition to economic damage, the worst thing of all was the great indifference. I did not react by accusing anyone, in fact I kindly asked @done @bcc and @btu to remove their flag from my posts, which had no reason to be destroyed so, but I did not receive any response and the flags were not removed. I asked for help from some big users and even at the top of the group to which I belong, I was simply ignored by everyone, for indifference or fear nobody was available to help me. Only a few friends tried to help me and I am very grateful to them.

As you can see today I'm not here to accuse anyone, I just ask a bit of honesty in this platform and that a user can not be targeted so without reason. The flag should be given only for the right causes, users with so much steem power should be more aware of their actions. It should not be allowed to deliberately damage someone just to terrorize and deprive him of his freedom.

Steemit has become like the Far West, where are the users with more steem power to dictate the law, no one can afford to express their opinion otherwise it is massacred with flags. In these days where I thought about my future on this platform, I had the opportunity to talk to different users in chat and I noticed something in common among all... Everyone would like to invest in steem power, but they are scared in doing this, because are continually allowed these situations and all are doubtful about the future of Steemit.

@ned I understand that you are a businessman and you have much more interest on users who have invested large capital rather than poor people like me. But I want you to think about something, Steemit is like an empire where you are the king, the whales your generals and the little fish your people. Remember that every great empire in history has always been supported by the people, there can not be strong growth if your people are not supported and live in fear. There are tens of thousands of users who have left Steemit for one reason or another, when it is certainly one of the most important projects in the world of the blockchain, and yet it not able to record increases like other coins. The reasons may be many, but one of the main reasons is that things are not going well here, spam, poolreward abuse, psychological terrorism, big users who dictate their law, all of this is slowing Steemit and its growth and removes people's desire to invest their money here.

But I'm still confident, that's why I'm here to write this letter today, with the risk of being again massacred for no reason. It would have been easier to give up everything, make power down and cash out, instead I'm here to fight for a better Steemit, to give voice to my thoughts and to share it with others.

For me, a solution would be to remove the flag and that can only be used by a team of serious and selected users who act as moderators on the contents. The flag is not like a do not like of Facebook or Youbube, a flag here can do a lot of damage both economically and psychologically, it can not be allowed to use it so lightly and without valid reasons. I think you need to think about a solution, it's clear that things can not go on like this.

The same applies to users who abuse their power on poolreward, I think selfvote should be limited, I will not say eliminated, but certainly limited, I have seen people use almost 100% on themselves, for me it is a shocking thing. Even the use of voting bots should be limited, it is not fair to see ridiculous posts on top of the trending list just because pumped by upvotes bought. These bots I used them too, but with awareness, even having the possibilities I pumped only a few posts strongly, but only because I thought that for the good of the community had to be shared among more people possible and not to seek further gains. I would also like to help this post, in order to give more visibility to this message, so that as many people as possible can read it, and in the hope that you can do it too. But I fear in further repercussions and I would not want to be again massacred and lose again what I got with a lot of effort.

I think that if there were similar measures to those mentioned above, then users would no longer serve the flag and things would start to go better, at the top of the trending list you would find only posts really deserving to stay there, so finally Steemit will enjoy of the trust it deserves!

Yes, there is a lot of work to do, but it can possible, there are lots of competent people, ready to work to make Steemit better, we know how many fantastic projects have been created around this platform, we do not let these difficulties ruin everything good that has been created.

There is still much to talk about, but I do not want to bore you too much, let's start from here, stop with damaging others and in turn Steemit itself, let's work together for a better future!

@ned, I do not know if you will never read this post, I know you can not intervene directly on these situations and surely you already know all these problems, but then I ask me why? Why if instead of thinking only about future development, you stop a moment and try to raise awareness of a conscious use of steemit who is suffering much due to of these careless uses of steem power, surely your word would not be ignored, as it will probably be mine.

I wanted to write this letter with an open heart, my intent is not to criticize, but to seek solutions to a situation that is damaging everyone directly or indirectly and is certainly slowing down the growth of Steemit. I only ask you all not to be indifferent to these injustices, not to be afraid of repercussions and to be united for the good of all, without creating any wars that never bring anything good.

Steemit continues to have my trust, I hope I do not regret, because the money can always recover but all the time I am dedicated to this platform will never come back. I believe that things can change, so I decided to continue. I apologize for my bad English, I hope it's all understandable, a hug to everyone from your @stea90.

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No matter that you vote for this post, no metter that I recovering what I lost, I would just like to understand if people agree that there will not be a future in this way and that they are aware that we must change. I still hope in this platform, share this post if you can and leave a comment, I would like to understand what will be our future here.

Remember that united in honest use we will win, but with the wars we have all already lost.

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My friend, I hope that your message is read. Steemit needs more people like you and less people who abuse this beautiful project. I always wish you the best, continue for all of us and never give up, ok?

I made resteem too, I hope I can help!

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Of course I continue my friend, I do not give up just for this! Indeed now I am even more determined. Thank you so much for your support and nice words :).

I really hope that @ned will pay attention to your post! I, on my part, did everything possible to draw the attention of my followers. It is very sad to see the ignorance from the strong world of Steemit ... I would like to see the assistance and solution of the problem.

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We hope dear Inna. Because these things do not harm only those directly involved, but they are hurting all over steemit... Thank you so much for your support!

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thank you for your words.
You´re right.

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Exactly if the flag system will be changed, so that it could be used with more awareness, things could improve.

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I agree! The flag needs to be taken away or limited to rules or not attached to the monetary gain of a post. Its only going to hurt the platform if this is how it already is without that many users.
Following you! Upvoted and Resteemed!

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Political warfare in a time where financial interest controls political acting without any ethical consideration, on a platform that basically hands them the discourse on a silver platter through an API with no checks at all?

Sono indignata ma non stupita, purtroppo. L’aspirazione a un sistema che si autoregoli, a mio parere, è ancora utopica. Gli esseri umani fanno fatica a convivere in presenza di regole condivise, figuriamoci senza. I bulli, i prepotenti, i disonesti sono ovunque e Steemit non può certo fare eccezione: qualcuno di noi è stato sottoposto a colloqui di selezione per entrare? C’è di tutto, come nel mondo reale, comprese certe dinamiche che nel mondo reale ci fanno orrore, come la piaggeria, il servilismo e le guerre di religione. Sarebbe un ottimo materiale per tesi di laurea di sociologia, in verità.
Per quanto posso, ti appoggio e condivido il tuo sconforto.

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Hai Pienamente ragione Paola! Effettivamente mi sento un po' ingenuo con tutte le mie belle speranze, come dici giustamente è impossibile credere che qui ci possa essere totale libertà e onesta, alla fine si rispecchia la natura umana che si trova ovunque con tutti i suoi aspetti buoni e cattivi. Però è anche giusto lottare per sensibilizzare ad un utilizzo più consapevole, non si può sperare di cambiare tutti, ma più comprenderanno meglio sarà per tutti e sarà comunque una vittoria. Grazie per il tuo supporto.

Basta usare un po' di buon senso, e capire le iniziative di un utente che non aveva nessuna intenzione di danneggiare nessuno, bastonare dei post solamente perché ha espresso una preferenza mi sembra assurdo, vuol dire che su Steemit c'è veramente da stare attenti alla propria ombra

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Purtroppo si, dovrebbe esserci totale libertà di pensiero, invece è tutto l'opposto. I potenti dettano legge come gli pare e piace. Ok che anche nella vita reale è così, perchè una delle più grandi cavolate è il detto "la legge è uguale per tutti"...

Sono solidale con te. Le belle parole su decentralizzazione, eliminazione la censura, ecc, ecc, ecc possono avere senso solo in un sistema dove nessun individuo ha il potere di bullizzare gli altri...oppure se ci sono dei garanti credibili.

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Grazie Claudio. Si è vero, come ho detto qui è tipoFarwest, chi ha potere detta legge e gli altri o gli va bene così o vengono massacrati e basta senza opzione... Io penso che sia giusto che uno possa flaggare i commenti maligni su propri post, come per esempio quelli che provano a rubare le chiavi. Ma per il flag nei post altrui dovrebbe esserci un sistema diverso, è che non vedo come sia possibile attuarlo qui, richiederebbe un team che operi costantemente e penso che invece l'idea di Ned e Dan sia di aver lanciato una piattaforma che cammini da sola, tranne per gli appositi aggiornamenti di sistema.

Ciao @stea90, è giunto il momento per noi pesciolini di andare a prendere a calci nel culo le balene cattive. Possiamo delegare il nostro Steem Power per schiacciare le balene cattive. #flagawhale #flagthedonkey
@hendrix22 si sta occupando di questo insieme ad altri utenti di Steemit.

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Da una parte è giusto non stare fermi a guardare, ma dall'altra tutte queste guerre sono molto dannose per il buon nome di Steemit. Dovrebbero essere gli amministratori ad intervenire, almeno con degli avvisi, non dico di bloccare certi utenti, ma perlomeno avvisare che se continuano ad abusare del sistema ci saranno conseguenze, sempre che sia possibile.

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Ci vorrebbe una sorta di Polizia su Steemit. :)
Gli essere umani non riescono a vivere senza scannarsi tra di loro.
Lo so che @ned potrebbe schiacciare con un dito qualsiasi balena su Steemit visto che lui ha il 51% degli Steem, ma penso che lui vuole che la community si autoregoli da sola.
Comunque visto che la community di Steemit è riuscita a creare il team di @steemcleaners che riesce a fare un buon lavoro contro spam, plagio e furto d'identità, sicuramente la community riuscirà a risolvere anche quest'altro problema. :)

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Si sono state create molte cose positive e io ci spero che venga risolta anche questa. Oggi c'è stato un bel segnale, coloro che mi hanno flaggato hanno votato questo post. Questa volta il dialogo ha battuto la guerra!

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Adesso sono andato a vedere, dimmi che sto sognando. :)

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No, è tutto vero :). Ci sono rimasto anch'io, però mi ha fatto molto piacere, non quanto per il fatto economico ma proprio per il buon sengale che ha dato.

Come già ti ho scritto, trovo questo modo di utilizzare il flag una forma di censura e di "bullismo", ancor più grave perchè utilizzato in una community che ha fatto e fa del decentramento la propria bandiera. Detto questo e preso atto (è sotto gli occhi di tutti) che non siamo "pronti" ad essere veramente e del tutto "decentrati" (sarò pessimista, ma che era una mera utopia era evidente, visto che comunque si tratta anche di soldi e per quanto ci piaccia pensare che siamo qui ANCHE per altro, "senza lilleri 'un si lallera" come si dice dalle mie parti ), trovo perfettamente sensata la riflessione su una sorta di organismo di controllo. Non dico di togliere la possibilità di flaggare al singolo utente, perchè ci sono casi in cui lo trovo non solo utile, ma anche l'unico strumento che abbiamo per contrastare altre "piaghe" (tipo i millemila copiatori seriali, i millemila spammatri seriali, etc), ma un organismo che verifiche se il flag dato sia "motivato" (quando flaggi c'è un esempio dei motivi per cui puoi downvotare, non c'è assolutamente il "lo downvoto perchè lui ha upvotato uno che mi sta sugli zebedei" , magari potrebbe essere stilata una lista precisa dei motivi per cui si può downvotare e sulla base di quella l'eventuale organismo di controllo fa le verifiche.

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Esatto! Infatti dico anch'io il flag serve in certi casi, come per tutti quei ladri di chiavi che ci sono ora, gli spammer e tutto il resto. Allora nel proprio post si può rimanere liberi di utilizzare il flag, ma giustamente non si può danneggiare i post altri per motivi futili. Se ci fosse un organo di controllo sarebbe il top, però non so se è una cosa possibile ora come ora, almeno credo non sia nei pensieri di ned e compagnia bella. Vediamo come procederà, però ho visto un buon segno oggi, coloro che mi hanno flaggato hanno votato questo post, allora il dialogo può ancora servire.

if steemit wants to be a long-term project, each of us can invest different resources.
But you khow the idea of ​​having to suffer flag without reason is discouraging.

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Little but sure... I do not ask to be voted, I do not care to become a whale, but I would like at least to be respected my freedom and that of all the good Steemians who commit themselves.

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Wouldn't we all like to be respected? When you don't get respect though, do you Demand it? do you force it? or do you even want it?

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I am already respected by other people, because I respect them. I fight for injustice, against steemit abuse. That's all.

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You avoided the question. The question was not "are you respected by the community was it?" I asked specifically something entirely different than your status and the merits of it in the community that offered to give instead of a simple clear answer to the inquiry. Do you need me to rephrase the question I asked first or do you want to explain why you didn't answer it and why you did answer with what you originally did?

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It would be discouraging only if :
A; you are here for the money above everything.
B; you are the victim of what other people think about your words.

It would be suffering only if:
A; you cannot see the value in it.
B; you haven't realized the secret above.

Come già ti ho detto qualche giorno fa hai la mia piena solidarietà... ribadisco che non ha alcun senso ciò che hanno fatto è che è una tristezza assoluta... speriamo che in futuro questa cosa dei flag venga rielaborata da chi di dovere...

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Finalmente, qualche altro utente della comunity italiana che si fa avanti, è allucinante quello che è successo, se vi fermate un attimo a pensarci, bravo @dexpartacus!!!

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Ahahah non ti preoccupare, il buon vecchio dexpartacus è sempre presente :).

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Grazie amico lo apprezzo molto! Secondo me dovrebbe essere giusto sui commenti del proprio post, in modo che si possa oscurare tutto lo spam, ma non si dovrebbe poter andare in giro a flaggare così, togliendo libertà senza motivo... Speriamo si, che possano trovare delle soluzioni.

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Ci mancherebbe amico mio! Esatto, oscurare lo spam è più che giusto. Dovrebbero trovare un sistema alternativo equilibrato.. speriamo lo facciano al più presto!

The sad fact about this is, that a lot of people just think about their self. They do not understand, that in doing something without having an instant "payment" they create a value for others, for society and therefore also for them self.

It´s a circle. And if everbody thinks about how he can get the most out of everythin, simple things just die.

It´s not about what you get. It´s about what you give and get in return without expecting it.

That´s what gives the most satisfaction.
Getting something without expecting it....

Thank you for your text.

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It would be too beautiful if everyone thought like you! Then Steemit would become the most beautiful place :).

Thanks for your help! We hope that things can improve a bit at a time!

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The reason steem works is because people are incentivized to not be as greedy, so dan tried to use the drive of greed to counter greed. If you need to explain to people morality of giving is receiving you might as well run down by the swine and ate for casting pearls in front of them.

i think this flag button should be not in the hand of all steemians, it should be the last recourse to be used in the steemit.inc to protect the steemit,

Now flag button is like a toy to the whales, and they love it.. The power to destroy others and deprived

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I completely agree! It can not be used with all this superficiality, as I think it is for the self-vote, they must be limited otherwise everything loses meaning.

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it seems steemit is a very hierarchical system where the rich get richer and have all the power i hope it can fix this for a brighter future!

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That can not be changed, the whales only vote with each other and with their steem power can do as they want. The important thing is that freedom is not removed for others.

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could tax them for doing things not in keeping with morals like the economy does.

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That´s infact a problem.
Few people with a lot of power.

Seems like a mirror to our society? ;-)

O_O Rimango davvero basita. Sapevo ci fossero guerre tra steemians ma non pensavo si arrivasse a flaggare chi upvota un " rivale". Allucinante. Condivido subito sperando come gli altri che questa storia trovi una fine, non è possibile venire flaggati per aver espresso una preferenza.

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E bravissima anche tu, @noemilunastorta, complimenti per non esserti girata dall'altra parte ed aver fatto finta di niente!!!

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Grazie mille Noemi, mi fa molto piacere il tuo aiuto. Il problema è che io sono solo una delle tante vittime di queste guerre e tutti alla fine ci rimettiamo perchè tutto questo mette in cattiva luce Steemit stesso. Speriamo che chi di dovere intervenga per rimettere il buon senso su Steemit.

I totally agree with the points that you have made. I find myself using steemit less and less lately. As a small fish your posts are buried very quickly while the same people are always on the trending page and whales can destroy smaller fish with no recourse. Something needs to change on this platform before we are replaced the same way as MySpace.

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it's true, because now there are competition also for Steemit, and if these things are not settled, many could change the air. But I still trust, too much has been done to leave drop everything like that.

If you dont like to be flag just stay out of the way, i flag haejin and
his buddy that support him too, you got to wipe out the supporter first then take out haejin. That is how you win a war.

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What can I do against them? They have more than 1 million steem power ... Must be the founders of steemit to stop these things, but I saw Dan finally intervene!

Also I do not want to be even more massacred. I have already been without reason, if I then go to give flags, it would be the end for me.

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If you dont like to be flag stay out of both of them.

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From now on I will, but as I wrote, I voted for a post by Bernie just because he was one of the few to help me in the beginning. Then in that post, there was no direct reference to Haejin.

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You're afraid that your reputation will go down. That meaningless metric will mater a whole lot in matters of speaking the truth, doesn't it? Those rewards, they are the mark that you actually are worth something, aren't they? Those flags you deny they have any reason as if it's beyond reason and logic to flag someone that supports your enemy basically and let's stop kidding ourselves and let's stop kidding ourselves, it's only another way to get to know a person, and what better way than by how they respond to adversity.

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My reputation is not at risk, many people know me in Steemit and know my values. I believe you did not understand the question.

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I interpreted massacred to mean Reputation because obviously, I didn't take you to actually DEPEND on the rewards or care that much about them, hence the sarcastic remark on that in my above comment.

It didn't take long for someone to threaten me after I called them out about a contest they ran then went outside the posted rules to choose a winner, he warned me not to respond to him any further or I will not like what happens. That is just plain wrong. People shouldn't have to tread in fear, there has been a couple blogs I've read but didn't respond or vote on because there was controversy or a flag war going on between a couple people, it would be nice to know you could leave a comment that may help or agree someone was wrong for doing something to someone but it's just not worth it I guess, I see to many people on here who ended up in the same boat as you did.

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Unfortunately it is so, but this is not good for me, so I wanted to write this post and fight for my rights, risking to be flagged again. But Steemit should be a free place for everyone who wants to use it with common sense.

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People really hate to hear it let alone say it but abuses like these are often the ones who bring down regulatory controls. It's all new and exploratory for now but somewhere down the line something that has the magnitude to leave a person destitute after making thousands leads to lawsuits and as those lawsuits continue to pile up in the judicial system is when regulators start taking a in depth look at what's going on and how is it that one person could wipe out the wealth of another one in such a ridiculous manner. People think the "blockchain" is untouchable...I assume a great many mafia figures thought along the same lines.

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People really hate to hear it let alone say it but abuses like these are often the ones who bring down regulatory controls.

You know why? Because nonsense isn't something that people with sense tolerate, some might even be infuriated from their history. How is this nonsense? Because if you understood how blockchain functions and how steem is designed then you would realize that regulation on an "immutable-record" is redundant, and the very nature of the application of this immutable-record IS to thwart ANY and ALL kind of government regulation-it's premise is based entirely on supporting free speech as the fundamental ethos, dan is an anarchist that doesn't believe in Intelectual Property and has made that clear several times, the most recent one was right around the time he quit Steem when he clarified that steem is not Copyrighted.

It's all new and exploratory for now but somewhere down the line something that has the magnitude to leave a person destitute after making thousands leads to lawsuits and as those lawsuits continue to pile up in the judicial system is when regulators start taking a in depth look at what's going on and how is it that one person could wipe out the wealth of another one in such a ridiculous manner.

Unfortunately, you couldn't clarify what you wrote if you tried, so I am not going to ask you how, or why. I should tell you this about the "mafia" analogy: the mafia was legitimate at one time and then they were illegitimate?

#abuseoflogic

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You would seriously have to be a major fool to believe that any government and their corporate cronies are going to sit idle while this new world order blockchain is going to get built out and around them to bring them down. As I am typing this right now they are all looking into blockchain, once they have it down pat they are going to pass regulations to which will put the crypto's being build on ponzi style schemes out of business, force the rest to come into compliance or they will go to the headquarters of the privately held companies, to which steemit is privately held, and prosecute the owners. You are just to silly for yourself sometimes. There is no such thing as a untouchable. Dream on.

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You would seriously have to be a major fool to believe that any government and their corporate cronies are going to sit idle while this new world order blockchain is going to get built out and around them to bring them down,

Yeah, i have to be a fool to think that blockchain isn't a parallel of the internet. All those internet regulations. Carry on blabbering about what you clearly don't understand:

You know why? Because nonsense isn't something that people with sense tolerate, some might even be infuriated from their history. How is this nonsense? Because if you understood how blockchain functions and how steem is designed then you would realize that regulation on an "immutable-record" is redundant, and the very nature of the application of this immutable-record IS to thwart ANY and ALL kind of government regulation-it's premise is based entirely on supporting free speech as the fundamental ethos, dan is an anarchist that doesn't believe in Intelectual Property and has made that clear several times, the most recent one was right around the time he quit Steem when he clarified that steem is not Copyrighted.

Tell me again your story about how the government regulated the internet and stopped it. Or the telephone, or the telegraph, or the printing press. Foolish me, hey I'm sure you understood everything I said in the above paragraph clearly before you answered and confirmed that you're an idiot that spreads nonsense.

Tell me again how the mafia is a good analogy for steemit? O yeah, much intelligent analogy that one.

There is no such thing as a untouchable. Dream on.

Yeah, thank goodness you understand analogies or blockchain.

#abuseoflogic

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Tell me about all those government regulations that Open Source adheres to? O wait, there isn't such an idiocy. What about all those government regulations for the mafia, those mafias were almost untouchable with their blockchains, if it wasn't for Capone the mafia would still be in now.

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OMG don't tell me you could be that simple minded. The government(s) set the rules/laws. Law enforcement enforces them. There basically still is a mafia...it's just that now they know their limits, they got put in their place.....they don't get to make the rules, they don't get to rule. The powers that be do that and sometimes people just happen (not that I agreeing with it all) to have to be reminded of that. It's I say you do, not I do and f you...is that getting any clearer?

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I was making a joke at your piss poor analogy comparing a criminal syndicate to a legitimate endeavor and arguing that the legitimate endeavor isn't untouchable because of look at the mafia. That's why I asked you about all the regulations with open source because the punchline is what you think my simple-minded self-didn't "understand".

#themafiagotputintheirplace

You're the hilarious bro, calling me simple minded when you are vehemently arguing that blockchains will get regulated sooner or later because someone will get sued while you don't recognize that an immutable-record does not need to be regulated because it is TRUSTLESS by design, and a Platform built on that DIRECTLY to make regulations impossible (if you could understand that). It doesn't matter what LAWS they give out, people are still going to make Torrents and nobody can stop them because at the end of the day it matters not what laws you can make but what laws you can enforce, IF they could even make up a rule to govern blockchain, lmao.

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#trustless = untouchable
#immutabler-record = regulation is redundnat (10 years of blockchain and still waiting on regulations.. lmfao, you know how long torrents have been unregulated?what about proxies? anonymity software? why don't they ever regulate something that actually fills up the dockets at the courthouse? O yeah, because those things are UNTOUCHABLE, LMAO!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Why don't they ever regulate something that actually fills up the dockets at the courthouse?.....because it's not a threat to the powers that be yet. Duh. The bigger question answered is see those things do end up in a court of law, you must have missed the article the other day concerning some cypto being recognized because basically the lawsuits being brought forth can't proceed if what was claimed to be lost couldn't be traded or have value to justify the losses being sued for. (It was complicated) But now the lawsuits can move forward. It's easy for you to sit here and blabber on and on because you aren't the one who would eventually be left to face the music as they say.

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And what point does that have to do with ACTUALLY regulating crypto, you confuse the issue we are discussing with one that vaguely seems to support your position, as if a court recognizing the value of a crypto could be comparable or follow with the line of thinking (there isn't one) that they CAN regulate it.

You are an example of blabering. Tell me again how the mafia was untouchable before they were regulated. Or whatever you wanted to say with your analogy that falls flat on its face the moment someone actually considers what they had read.

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You know why people think the blockchain is untouchable?

I bet you my account that you don't know.

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It wouldn't matter anyway. As long as there are living breathing human beings behind the picture it's not as untouchable as you think. People want to be successful, they don't want to put everything in jeopardy because someone wants to abuse the rules. When it comes to money people will sell you down the river, that's a fact, that's life, put that in your blockchain and smoke it.

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Hey guess what I offered you money and you refused it. All you had to do was guess and you would have demonstrated by performance what you so sympathetically voiced instead. Thank you for not taking my account and proving that people will sell you down the river for money unless you INVITE them specifically to sell you down the river.

The point is that you ought to read more about Trustless technology, open source, transparent and decentralized before going on "what could happen" because you spread confusion and fantastic impossibility where you actually think you're imparting wisdom. In other words, you're giving people shit and calling it meringue.

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You need to read up more on what decentralized is, Steemit is centralized, it's privately owned, the power is held at the top, and the witnesses speak up for the little guys, that's called CENTRALIZED.

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Decentralization is what Steem is, Steemit inc is not Steem. Nobody owns my account but myself, so what do you think that Steemit owns besides the steemit account?

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and the witnesses speak up for the little guys, that's called CENTRALIZED.

I don't think you meant that because that is the opposite of Centralized.

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Yeah, it costs to speak up, nobody wants to put their skin in the game, that's why people are like any other herd in numbers, easily spooked by any predator and if the bull, the matriarch, the gentle giant goes down everyone scatter, and they'd rather stay silent in matters that they would want other's support for the same reason that they spook and scatter, as if the horns do much good when they get you by the balls and ass.

TO: @ned; @berniesanders; @done; @bcc; and @btu

Excellent comments by @stea90. I think there should also be a limit on how many downvotes and flags any one STEEMIAN can post to any other STEEMIAN'S account.

The world is overflowing with so many types of negativity. STEEMIT platform does not need to be and should not be another platform for people's negative energy towards one another.

Constructive criticism, if given, can be given without an air of insult or injury. To do otherwise is both childish and fruitless. I wish this negative behavior to stop.

Also, I upvote myself, because sometimes no one else does; and I feel my comments and posts are worthy of at least one level vote.

Truly, Iamai 03/13/18 3:12 pm EST

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Thank you! I share with your words. Steemit should have more harmony.

If I can give you some advice, interact with other people in a constructive way, like you did on my post. You will see that others come to see yours too. At the beginning it was difficult for everyone, writing so many posts without seeing results can be difficult, but do not give up!

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Actually no, I support all who want to insult or feel that someone deserves insults. You don't criticize your adversaries if they don't respond to reason, you enrage them if they respond to your judgment of them and in turn, you use that to expose them for what they are, should they indeed be worthy of insult. You don't constructively criticize abuse.

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Actually, yes. What is being addressed here is not just criticism and insults, it is abuse of the platform deficiencies by some STEEMIANS.

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So what? You going to let someone's opinion ruin your time here, fine. I am sure that it speaks volumes on the Platforms Deficiencies and not you.

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So what? The value of STEEM and SBD are sinking every day, because people are turned off. And, it is not excusable relative to a drop in value of most cryptocurrencies in general. This behavior must stop, as it is negatively affecting ALL STEEMIANS as well as the STEEMIT platform in general.

I actually feel great about STEEMIT, and enjoy my time here, but I, too, am turned off by this level of targeted negativity. For example, I am personally affected by some form of targeting simply by the fact that EVERY time I visit a post it automatically gets greyed-out. It is a blatant abuse of Steem Power, for no apparent or good reason.

For these activities to continuously be allowed shows negligence, disregard for the monetary value STEEMIT can and should bring, and may bring about the dissolution of the STEEMIT platform altogether. Sadly, I think that the value of STEEM and SBD will continue to fall, regardless of other cryptocurrencies, due to this negative activity. And, only if it stops will the value of STEEM and SBD begin to rise again.

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The value of STEEM and SBD are sinking every day, because people are turned off.

Please substantiate that.

This behavior must stop, as it is negatively affecting ALL STEEMIANS as well as the STEEMIT platform in general.

If you can demonstrate that it is affecting ALL? I don't care what the price of steem is in relation to Dollars, what do I care if people are turned off by the "value" of the token, my value and others is derived from what it offers without any competition.

I actually feel great about STEEMIT, and enjoy my time here, but I, too, am turned off by this level of targeted negativity. For example, I am personally affected by some form of targeting simply by the fact that EVERY time I visit a post it automatically gets greyed-out. It is a blatant abuse of Steem Power, for no apparent or good reason.

Demonstrate that or explain it in a way that leaves nothing to the imagination: Why it's greyed out, how is it Automatic, in other words, clarify what you mean.

For these activities to continuously be allowed shows negligence, disregard for the monetary value STEEMIT can and should bring, and may bring about the dissolution of the STEEMIT platform altogether.

That is higly unlikely, it was at 7 cents a year ago or so, If you can demonstrate that people who are interested in the value of a token benefit the community I will consider what you said, but the faster all those equity obsessed losers vacate the better, they are only speculators if they care about money before everything else.

I guess I should have known that there won't be any substantial reasoning or logic behind your response, after all, you think that all insults are childish.

Very well said.

I'm new to the platform and was immediately concerned by issues like these. Though I'm happy to press on and give it a try I fear that it might put off potential new users and devalue the space.

Good luck in getting the response you both need and deserve. I hope it all works out. The honest people are rooting for your success!

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Thanks so much! Continue to work on Steemit, continue in the right way, steemit can still have a great future.

Today I read an interesting thing, even @dan has moved against the abusers, this is a very important and could help to change things.

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I also had concerns about this whale-thing and the war between some people here.
But to be honest, I just don´t care what they do. I read content, I comment, I create content....
That´s all.

And somehow it feels a lot better here then beeing on facebook :-)

Keep on, stay strong!

Excellent work, you make some great points and this is my favorite.

Steemit is like an empire where you are the king, the whales your generals and the little fish your people. Remember that every great empire in history has always been supported by the people, there can not be strong growth if your people are not supported and live in fear.

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Thanks, I hope it will be useful to raise awareness on the current situation. hoping that all these abuses of power and consequently internal wars will end.

Resteemed! This Needs To STOP!!!

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Thanks for your support!

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Anything I Can Do To Help!

Peccato che su Steemit non si possa insultare.... troppo assurdo poi che ti abbiano flaggato proprio il post in cui parlavi dei tuoi investimenti in Steemit....:-((

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Sarebbe sbagliato insultare, io ho cercato il dialogo e per ora sembra essere stata la via giusta, coloro che mi avevano flaggato hanno supportato questo post.

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Hai fatto bene.... sono io che ho troppo temperamento, ma tanto in questo caso non servirebbe;-))))

i hope the intended person gets to read it....nice post by the way

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Thanks. Let's hope!

I once said something against bern and got burned with endless downvotes and a direct bashing from bernie.

Not gonna @ him cus im not trying to be attacked. Lol

You have many valid arguments about the current state of the platform.

Steemit is like myspace... thr facebook of crypto hasnt come out yet

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Bernie uses words and says sometimes excessive things, but he is one of the few who does the good of steemit.

Many others are only here for themselves, instead Bernie would like that things to go well. I still hope that steemit can improve.

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Yes, I think so too. He is particular, but he speaks for the good of Steemit!

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Verbal attacks are okay its when he atyacks people with downvotes and downvotebots that i feel he get abusive. I never learned much about him because the first time i said anything to him i was attacked.

I ended up blocking him as to avoid conflict.

Hi steemians. I'm new here, glad to be little part of this great community :)

It's not because one have upvote your enemy that person joined your war. No, we upvote for a content we loved or in where we think added value to the community. If you guys are in war... just go on with your war. Don't hit neutral user who just support for a good content or have amused into it. Since steemit is a social experiment with no central goverment. Sure there will be wars between user that lead to nothing. Let see where the future goes if war between user continue. In a real world war is a real messy and no one want it. Innocent children suffers a lot. Here on steemit, its likely the new user suffers a lot. Now I imagined these war will end up steem and sbd become shitcoin with no real value. In a real world a debri and a ruin of destroyed structure and other property.

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I do not want to make any war against anyone! I think that as you say, all this is dropping the value of steem and sbd a lot. Of course, the whole market is going badly, but these coins suffer more than others and when the market goes up they do it more slowly.

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Would you make war with those that spread lies, that plagiarize and abuse their power?

NO! NOT ME!.

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If only they would even read this post, let alone your comment.

#lostinthesauce

@ned, I do not know if you will never read this post, I know you can not intervene directly on these situations and surely you already know all these problems, but then I ask me why? Why if instead of thinking only about future development, you stop a moment and try to raise awareness of a conscious use of steemit who is suffering much due to of these careless uses of steem power, surely your word would not be ignored, as it will probably be mine.

And what if that cocksucker ignores this or what if he's ignored in turn, who cares that you were flagged by these bots and it was senseless, clearly the only ones you need to be reaching and trying to establish anything with are the people flagging you, which naturally puts you in a bind that you think you can somehow escape if only.

Wars are for defense, fighting a war isn't always about being a bully. The moment you lost is clear: when you give up, or when you can't fight anymore.

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I have tried several times to contact those who have flagged me, trying to ask for an explanation and to remove the flag. Without getting answers, I do not want to make any war, I just want people's rights not to be crushed by these users who believe are the steemit sheriffs just because they have much steem power.

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People never had a RIGHT to not hear other's opinions. What do you think a flag is? It's an expression of opinion obviously, which you think that people are entitled only to what you consider valid opinions. What do you hope to accomplish with this thread? It's not your choice anymore about "I don't want to make war". If someone brings war upon you then you have to defend yourself, except that you cannot call war someone flagging you and declare that their opinion has attacked you, because regardless of how much you cry, and whine or pout or try to rally people against these faceless geniuses which I also had the pleasure of being flagged by, you are either saying that they have power and control over you and what you say, or they don't and you demonstrate that. Why do you need an explanation for someone's opinions? It obviously is abusive, do you really need them to tell you that it's abusive, will that make it "HEY LOOK THEY EVEN ADMITED IT'S ABUSIVE NOW GUYS! LOOK CAN WE DO SOMETHING NOW(as if nobody knew already the motive, or lack of it..)". You called for Ned to defend. Either you make war or you make war. WAR.

Hey guess what this post is:

Hay guyz, can you helpz me plz. (i don't wants war but if you could only please).(hugz to everyone, except those bad people I reprimanded in the post, no hugz for you guyz). Make peace with your adversary, if that means accepting that they flagged you and moving on. Or confront them and do it on your own two feet, or don't, don't rile people to join you in mobbing on one person you have the beef with, after all if you don't care about reputation then why do you even look at being flagged as an injustice. As if people cannot express their opinions without being questioned or validating it to you, "If you don't justify your opinion it's not valid and therefore it's hurting me, stop hurting me with your Expressive Curation."

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Why do you have to be so aggressive? Also you did not understand anything. I have not asked for help for me. If you have read my post well, you understand that mine is a message for the good of steemit, as I have always done so far. I repeat, I do not want to do war with anyone, because the war only causes at the platform to lose value. This is the last answer I give you, because I understand that you can not reason with you. I'm looking for dialogue, not help and no accusations, only with dialogue can we improve.

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The point is that you're not entitled to people NOT flagging you. Your proposal of removing the flag has been debated 2 years ago. War doesn't cause a platform to lose value, that's only your opinion. You don't want to hear that people FLAGGING you are not terrorizing you, but then you'd have to grow some thick skin and not have to REDESIGN the entire platform because you got flagged. Flagging is only an expression of opinion, and if you belive yourself entitled to the rewards that are still being voted on you disregard the opinion of those that validly can vote how they want, including redistributing rewards from your post to others. On the other hand, you can very well dismiss me as unreasonable, but unreasonable is pleading with a need to redesign the platform because you got hurt feelings over people on the internet voting on your content and when confrunted that the people you ought to dialogue about this with aren't interested in dialogue you think you can somehow avoid that inconvenient fact and proceed to tell me how you dismiss those interested in understanding your plight as "you did not understand anything" and "im not accusing anyone, but i did tell you that I give you the last answer because you understand, you don't accuse that I cannot be reasoned with." What a joke, if you think I am aggressive you probably need to reconsider being on the internet, because the internet will not stand up for your cries, like you have noticed, and they don't want to hear it to begin with since most have actually thoroughly considered alternatives and didn't simply cry about it while hardly considering what they propose and the implications thereof. Instead of focusing on my tone, which is a fallacy of TONE POLICING, you ought to be specific as to exactly what I didn't understand if you indeed are for dialogue and aren't making a mockery of it, and instead of accusing me of being aggressive, which is only your opinion that you cared not to explain or clarify in the least, you actually explain what was aggressive and why, so at least you have the appearance of reasonable.

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You are completely out of the way... Luckily there are few who think like you, otherwise Steemit would have already disappeared. Leave it alone, you can not understand.

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I cannot undestand, you demean me while pretending that you are for dialogue, instead of trying to shut me up why don't you explain yourself, starting with the vacuous comment that I am completely out of the way.. which is not a complete thought but it ended with an omission: ellipsis. What are you talking about specifically, or you think I'd let you make me into a clown?

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What dialogue do you want? You only accused me and criticized in your every comment, this is not dialogue!!! If you look at whatsup he has expressed his opinion, contrary to mine, but he used the right way and I respect him. I do not like your aggressive way and I do not want to talk with these tones. I wish you good continuation, goodbye.

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I'll be the first to show you the door, you got that? And tough luck getting anyone to stop me, @ned isn't going to save you.

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Looking below to whatup comment it clearly expresses what I have mentioned as well, maybe the internet is not the place for you.

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Hi @bahah, Steemit isn't the place for stupid whales, this platform belongs to all of us.

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Except that instead of moving along like it doesn't bother you that you got flagged or even take it with pride you have the need to banish them for their opinions.

Steem is the place for all of us indeed, stupid too, and wealthy, or good luck on your revolution, I'm sure you won't be a laughingstock.

Gosh, I am sorry you got flagged, but I couldn't keep reading past psychological terrorism comment. It sounds like this space might be too overwhelming for you.

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What do you mean, that steemit is too wild (without rules) for a person like me who believes in people's rights?

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Pretty much.

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Is your thought and I respect that, but I think it's different.

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Peoples rights to flag, to express their criticism or disdain, or outright hate for an idea or work, doesn't that have any place in your consideration of a person like you?

Nice post, nice to meet you @stea90

Reminds me of the Rolling Stones song. lol I think steem and steemit will do just fine in the end even if the wars continue.

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It will continue for sure, but not as well as it could... It has already lost a lot due to all these abuses of power.

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You are right sir .. If this happend to high ranker .. Then what should we do ( new bees )... One day we will be get that position and we remember your point of view sir.

A very well raised point.

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Thanks!

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  • Brother I have seen this, but they have taken against you, since I know that your content is original where it is with your effort is that you are where you are, it really seems unheard of.
    @calitoo

I agree!if steemit wants to be a long-term project,something needs to change on this platform before we are replaced the same way as MySpace.