The Steemit Issues - Arguments From The Other Side - Censorship - Repost
I have tried to get others to talk about the issue but none will. The only people that do talk about it are so full of shit their posts should be in brown. So yeah, I'm back to talk about the real issues at the risk of having my account destroyed again. Sorry i couldnt get someone better at writing to talk about it but i will try to make it at least readable.
PART 1
Censorship and the denial of free speech.
Before i even get started on this issue i want to point out the meaning of censorship.
Censorship is the suppression, obstruction or prohibition of information.
I often hear from the other side that:
"you havent been censored because your post is still in the blockchain."
Yes the blocks are still in the chain but it does not change the suppression and obstruction of the post. Just because a post is in the chain does not mean it has not been censored. If your rep is below 1 your posts do not show up in the new feed. the information contained in them has been suppressed and at the least obstructed.
"Freedom of speech does not give you the right to come into my house and start calling me an asshole."
I would like to point out to everyone in case they were not aware of the situation but Steemit is Public Area, Your post included. If i come to the post you made and called you an asshole for what you said it is the same as me calling you an asshole for saying something in public. It is nothing like walking into your house or private area and calling you an asshole. you can say what you want back but you do not have the right to censor something because you think anything you post on steemit becomes a private safe space. you do not have the right to censor something because it is in the comments of your post.
"Freedom of speech does not give you the freedom of conquence."
This is a true statement but is often used as a reason for censorship or physical violence, It is not one. Censorship is a violation of a human right and being protected from someone saying something you don't like is not. Commiting Acts of physical violence or removal of a persons human right (freespeech) as a conquence for someone using their human rights is just retarded to me and don't even understand how people can parrot that line then act like because it is a true statement that it instantly justifiys any wrong doing. That saying is about legal action people can take like not being friends with someone or avoiding them or making fun of them and stuff like that, it is not justification for violating someones human rights.
"What you said was highly offencive."
So what? What one person considers offencive another doesnt. You have a mute button and should use it. Just because you find something offencive does not give you the right to remove someones human right to post what they want. Freedom of speech is the right to offend, you do not have to listen or read it (mute button) and you do not have the right to censor what someone says.
"It was hate speech."
No it wasn't, there is no such thing as hate speech where people have the right to free speech. No one can even define this one for me. In order to be able to call something hatespeech you have to remove the right to freespeech. Hate speech is a made up vague term used for anything someone dissagrees with at whatever given moment. The person might as well say words hurt their feewlings.
"Troll/Trolling"
This is another widely vague term used for anything someone disagrees with as a reason for censorship. The simple fact is the word has been destroyed from something that actually had meaning to this stupid new move to use it as a reason for censorship or shutting down a conversation.
Vocal about disagreeing with anything?
Troll.
Post stuff i dont like?
Troll
Have a political disagreement?
troll
It is almost as if the second you get labled a troll all wrongdoings done to you are justified with one simple line, they are just a troll so they deserved it. It use to mean someone that says stuff they disagree with in order to create a dialouge but now its just used to call anyone that does or says something you disagree with. This should not be tolerated as a reason to censor someone and it is pointless to argue on when it is or isnt ok to censor someone if most people wont even admit there is censorship on this platform.
"Your post is still visabel you just have to push a button to see it so its not censorship."
Fact is when something has been flagged into negitive it does not show up in followers feeds. So it has been suppress and obstructed from your followers. Same with the new feed it never shows up there. People that want to see the post (and have shown so by following) dont see the post in their feeds. That is censorship even if you do need to push a button after finding it to read it, then another at the bottom of the post to see the pictures. Extra obstructions after the suppresion.
"Just because your comment is flagged it isnt censorship because you can click the button to view it."
If your comment gets flagged into the negitive or you have a negitive rep it does not show up in the reply feed of the person it was sent to. That is suppression and the fact you have to push a button in order to see them is obstruction. even more so the fact that the button to see them is at the verry bottom below everyones comments is another obstruction and last but not least, know what no one ever wanted to do after reading 157 comments on a post? click the button to see the flagged ones and start back up at the top of the list making them visible one by one. more obstructions to go with that suppression.
Im sure i missed a bunch and im sure i will have some in the comments reminding me that there is no censorship on steemit because...............
Change my mind and get me on your side if you can but im guessing my proof of censorship can destroy any propaganda thrown at me at this point. You cant have a free speech site and at the same time try to make reasons for censorship, and trying to say their is no censorship is either ignorance or pretending to be ignorant so you can virtue signal later to the other censorship fuck tards.
Original posting 5 months ago:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@skeptic/the-steemit-issues-arguments-from-the-other-side-part-1-censorship
Cheers Steemit!
xD
lol
We need moar flags, moar and moar! I want to hold a flag challenge. I want to make a bot that upvotes those who flag someone for no good reason!
Bernie is maybe the only person who gets flagged more than you. He has a negative rep, he is in my feed and I still see his stuff. I see your stuff when it gets flagged and I used to see L0k1s stuff also.
:) Flag the flaggy flaggers!!!
Weird, his recent comment to me didnt show up in my feed till after he upvoted it, i only found it cause my post had a reply but nothing in my reply feed.
I guess he gets them cause i just recently had some shit flagged by him.
Bad actors are the problem with the platform, especially cause they dont create value ond only have their power because they priemined the system before all mining stopped and the platform was opened up to the public.
IMO atleast.
:D
No. Bad actors can only commit bad acts the platform enables. Bad actors are a variable. Bad code makes them a problem.
True.
shitty people are going to be shitty.
I often wonder if anything is ever going to change or if they are even looking for solutions to the problems because all i watch in chang happening is covering up of whats going on so its less visible to the ignorant noob masses.
curation is censorship
#TIMOM
Censorship is the suppression, obstruction or prohibition of information.
smfh
My next question, is it gay porn, or is it not?
Stahp with the gay porn!
I don't want to have to bleach my eyes again!
LoL sorry.
#definitations
Alright Buddy, pull over...
LOL
Was i doing 90 in a 35 again officer?
Despite what you may expect, I still consider this some of the best writing I have seen.
Typos and all. You state truth and do so with conviction, facts, and citations that completely support your position. The fact that you aren't a walking dictionary doesn't detract from your purpose in writing. To me, it validates it.
'Fools outnumber far the wise.
The truth's uncovered by the lies.' --Me
Thanks!
Edit: stop feeding the troll.
Thanks, think you were one of the upvoters the first time i posted it.
:D
I wanted to fix the typos but it was a repost so i wanted it to match the original more. At the same time i kinda like it cause in the begining of steemit i use to get flagged for poor grammer and spelling. lol
Thats an awesome saying, has a little rhyme going on with it. hopefully the lies uncover the truth or something uncovers it.
Im trying to avoid it, better to try to be productive and create value insted of dealing with steemit drama.
xD
"Change my mind and get me on your side if you can but im guessing my proof of censorship can destroy any propaganda thrown at me at this point. You cant have a free speech site and at the same time try to make reasons for censorship, and trying to say their is no censorship is either ignorance or pretending to be ignorant so you can virtue signal later to the other censorship fuck tards."
I don't think there's much anybody can add to that. Your post should be required reading before anyone gets to join the site.
I have posted an easy solution to the censorship situation but i feel as though i am talking to deaf ears most the time. I might repost it as this post seems to be doing ok.
:D
If we cant be honest about the censorship going on then their is no chance of having a real discussion about when it is or isnt ok to censor something.
Cheers mate, Steem on!
It's never ok to censor anything, self-censoring included, and I find it odd that you talk about a "conversation" about the issue but all that you had to say to my reply that addressed the entirety of your post was a to jab at my character in belief that suppression and obscurity is always censorship or that being curated as low quality is suppression. Would you like people to be able to post gay porn like you did but without any way for anybody to be able to do anything about it? Do you think you can make threats and call it free speech?
bahh, do you really want to have a dialouge about the facts or do you want to start yeling about gay porn?
oh wait i finished reading your comments and your stilll on the same crap. sorry i even replied.
:/
when you want to have an honest conversation about censorship i might be open to it but all i see coming from you is comments about shit that happend over a year ago that has nothing to do with the actual argument of censorship on steemit.
cheers yo and sorry im not even gona look at the other comments to me as the first one was already to full of bullshit for me to deal with as im not trying to see how low i can gow in the shit show of stupid.
Why do you think I yelled and why do you think that I was talking about Gay Porn as if that was the topic and not about what people can do, and using gay porn as an example? Why should I listen to your troll self when I asked:
and
and also
Which you denigrated to "yelling" even though I never used caps even, and instead of focusing on my alleged "tone" as per the fallacy you're currently using, or Tone Policing, you might consider addressing the questions directly instead of lying about your intentions of "honest conversation".
Also, you troll, why did you disregard the Creator of Steem's remark about Censorship and why didn't you bother to say anything to my first comment that addressed everything you mentioned?
I talked about those things, you troll, directly because they are to do with "censorship" as you call it, but as people know, and dan knows, it's Curation.
Take your pathetic ass "cheers" and "sorry" and shove it back where they came from because I don't want your bullshit and will never stand for it.
"I sure hope it never happens to you, that you're made to defend yourself by spamming gay porn because people flagged you". You retard. I live to shit in your mouth with Truth, I will not give you an inch to hold over me, it doesn't matter how long ago it was, and it doesn't matter how "petty" you think it is, I will bring up that link into any and all your discussions that have anything remotely to do with this in case there's one idiot follower for follower, upvote for upvote that might see it and recognize what a moron you are, and the only thing you can do to stop me is to make it right.
It was a combination of his humour and real problems in sarcastic way..... It was expressed beautifully @skeptic
:D
thank you sid!
i wish i had the balls to still write like that, lol
Yeah, you poor self-has been beaten on the internet by flags. Guess how many whale wars I've been in and walked away victorious from? Guess how many times I said it was "censorship"?
none, you havent felt shit in the way of a whale flagging you.
Stop the lies already.
The lies? What lies, that I never got autofalgged by @fyrstikken and @htooms and alts, sometimes for day on end. /sAf
That is correct though, I, not once cried about it or called it censorship or least Threaten them in the least.
Tell me again, was it suppressive when you were spamming gay porn? If it was suppressive how did you manage to keep spamming gay porn.
OMG flagged sometimes for days!
thats so hard core bro.
SMFH
Still going on with the gay porn lie and the spamming lie.
Post the memes your claiming is gay porn or stop calling it that because its not gay porn and i have posted them sence that shit and no one cared.
go on with your lies and bs im done with this chain too
rant away, lmfao!
What lie? that you spammed gay porn, everyone can see that, you made a thread talking about it, calling it gay porn again and again. You're done? LMAO!
These are your own words, Swallow them next time:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@skeptic/steemit-self-defence-meme-2
Enjoy. You called it Gay porn and said it was spamming by saying forever. Next time bite your tongue you idiot instead of replying to me, lmao.
spamming does not mean forever.
smfh
Just because i called it that once does not make the meme gay porn.
FFS
I accept this post.
:D
thanks.
i accept your comment.
Sarcastic humor built on truth...you gotta love it.
:D
it was one of my better drunk rants thats for sure.
lol
Drunk rants can be highly entertaining. But they can also cause us a lot of trouble.(I posted the first sentence, than had to come back and edit after remembering some of my own...lol)
LOL
I once got flagged because the 10 lines of warnings wernt big enoung and in bold red. they scrolled down and seen "offencive words" so it "deserved the flaggs". lol
i hope on one reads your comment and gets ideas.
:D
Sounds like you're trying to evade the consequences of shit content, as if you can beg people to curate you a certain way, what pathetic=definitations and this is me on mild when you copy-pasted another's parody and claimed: "I made a parody", and accused me of trying to take credit for it by making a joke out of your plagiarizing self, PatheticAF LOLOL.
still dont understand the definition of parody and satire i see.
smfh-
The original was satire and i made a parody of it. i have made many more sence then and still no one has thrown a fit like you did or gone around claiming to be a famous comedian when we know your not.
i have been making parody posts even after your stunt and no one gives a shit.
such wow you convienced one of my followers that parodies are plagiarizm.
What have you produced content wise?
LMFAO!
rant away im done with this chain too, you have nothing but lies. post more links to evidence because i hope people follow them and look at them in full context to see how retarded your acting.
but do go on rant away like your doing something productive.
LMFAO!
The original was a Parody, as another user mentioned.
#definitations
JPSears was mocking SJW. Who were you mocking with your parody?
Still dont understand the definitions of parody and satire i see.
SMFH
BTW, Satire and parody aren't exclusive to one another, in fact you can use parody to deliver a satirical message can you not, yet you didn't make fun of SJW, JP did, and you didn't credit him for those jokes one bit. What you did was use his jokes and changed a few words, like Web to Steemit, it wasn't clever or original, and in the least you didn't credit the author at all, not even a hint, you expected people to recognize JP's jokes, to which you said "this is me on mild" but you didn't write ANY of the jokes.
It never gets old explaining the idiocy of sceptic.
I wrote a parody of SJW on steemit. Good one Lmao.
a parody of a satire skit.
do you not understand words?
rant away lol
I didnt have to convince anyone of anything you idiot, it was obvious, you on the other hand spent all your time trying to argue that you actually wrote those jokes and trying to claim that the joke I made OF you claiming to be JP was not a joke at all and that I am the one who's in the wrong, all the while claiming that it was because you didn't tag it Parody, LMAO! You're so lost in your idiocy that you thought that for one second your smokescreen was going to do anything more than farts in the wind! It was never about tagging anything parody, I never said you should have tagged it parody, only that you should have given credit to the author of all those jokes you STILL try to claim you wrote on the sly with "I still make parody of satire all the time". SMFH indeed and laughing!
#definitations
It took me some time to get through your post man. The truth is I read your post in half that time. So what was I doing with rest of the half.
It happened when I read this:
"The only people that do talk about it are so full of shit their posts should be in brown"
I think my I laughed so hard that I might have burst a few veins and then became high and then ................I think the effects of laughter havn't faded yet and I am suffering from loss of motor control so I'll stop talk...... right after I type lol - LOL!!!!!!!
LOL
i got a huge smile thinking about the laughter it brought you.
it would be an awesome option if we could tag people as shit and their posts would show up in brown.
:D
Ha ha
..........brown.............haha!
poop
:D
lol
By @dantheman
https://steemit.com/censorship/@dantheman/censorship-is-impossible-in-a-free-society
Maybe read the post before you make more statements quoting dan like all of a sudden because he said it its true, also what happend to you saying you were going to mute me after flagging me for replying to your lie with a screen shot of you saying your votes come from bots after you say in all caps they dont one comment later?
Mute me like you said, stop flagging me and move along with your quoting of dan like it instantly negates all reality while sitting in a circle jerk getting large payouts without views for posting art you didnt even make all because you circle jerk woth some other people that dont even care about your content enough to look at it.
LMFAO!
just mute me and stop with the shanaginanigs, your leaving 2-3 comments before i can even reply to one oof yours.
smfh
Uh Uh Uuuuh!!!!
That is not an argument and implying that what dan said isn't true should be followed up with something of substance instead of leaving that awfully stinky turd to lay there as some kind of "thought".
Wtf does any of that have to do with the quote above? If it's not true then demonstrate it, if you can it should be fairly straightforward, but othewise you're full of shit once again.
#JustBecauseIcalledItPornDoesntMakeItPorn-BecauseItsArt #idiot
infact lets go to dan and leave him a link to this post and see what he says cause he is/was one of my followers and he didnt say anything about it the first time i posted it.
I sent him another link to this post on the link your quoting.
also read his other stuff from that time period he is in support of some fucked up shit if people dont do what he wants when he wants.
He didn't say anything because he was in such agreement with what you were saying /s
And this is you trying to imply more shit without addressing the things that were said above as if you can shovel dirt onto the truth and preach "uncovering" truth with each shovel-full, or it could be just me.