Do you have any personal suggestions on how to improve and secure the steemit experience?

in #steemit8 years ago (edited)


This seems to quickly become my favourite way of communicating on the steem blockchain ... maybe especially since it posts to both steemit and here at once ? If it could do to minds.com at the same time would be even more awesome.

But i'm not super-software-engineer-man so that browser plugin will have to be done by someone else.

I spend a bit of time on discord every day and yesterday and the day before as i discussed an issue with someone who's services i use on steemit it came to me : communication, business - client isnt really all that.

You can send messages around for 0.001SBD but that requires people to actively check their account history PLUS hoping they dont automatically filter out what many consider spam. You can hope people check all their mentions but i think thats something only witnesses might do , ... half the time if they got time, because they got something to gain, right ?

Those people said it was posted on their blog and frankly its the best they can do other than hope you are constantly watching on discord and checking all your private messages all the time so

https://steemit.com/witness-category/@rudyardcatling/re-timcliff-the-reports-from-the-witnesses-2018-07-08-20180716t001234099z

i got to thinking (i get that sometimes ...)

  • i dont have the inclination and when it takes off definitely not the time to go check every single blog i'm involved with on the dot to see if there's any issues anywhere

  • the would be complete fools to send messages around the blockchain even at 0.001SBD that's still a dollar for every 1000 clients you have (im imagining facebook numbers now, its best not to think backward when it comes to these things and i feel it's already a hassle for all involved parties the way it is)

  • they can't be expected to be awake 24 hours seven days unless they're an actual company in which case i know about ... ONE that has 24/7 free support (yes, i do, they're called combell ... belgian host service)

so what is there to do ? i want what i paid for and i'm quite sure they want happy customers

so my idea is the solution would be an extra application, a very small one that runs behind the same UI, but NOT on the blockchain

why not on the blockchain?

well because its not necessary, there's no need to keep record of notifications since they only relate to the very moment when an issue arises or clients need to be notified (not spammed but get to that in a moment)

Maybe best if i try to explain what i see, as i said @timcliff there i'm not a software engineer so i try to find an opening to people who are AND are involved at pantheon-level here

the way i see it what would be extremely useful , especially as but not necessarily restricted to , customer service is a very small application in a very small spot with a very small icon that highlights when you get a notification

by default @steemit would be allowed (for obvious reasons, think of the last DOS-attack , which turned out to be what ? some guy trying to power up by withdrawing negative amounts ? A+ for creativity, leaves a lot of people guessing however) ... your little icon would highlight afterwards or during saying "please check our blog for bla etc f00+bar enz" it doesnt even have to be tweetsized. The account handle can sit in a serverside database (or something, like i said im not the engineer linked in a simple table, users (senders) would need verification before they can use it, for obvious (i hope) reasons . Not obvious ? well if you want to use it you need to register and SHOW that your are running an ACTIVE service, not advertise "that you will be soon" , that's one thing to prevent spam

by now you should the benefits here, with minimal rackspace and minimal network load, everyone who runs an "active service" on the steem chain can use it to notify their clients. If the ID's are linked the table itself is negligible in space, if the messages are tweet or lower size, network load is absolutely minimal AND since they don't need to be kept serverside, rackspace is even absolutely-er minimaller ::))

See ... i dont have to actively go checking every single blog of everything i'm linked into, i dont have to go on discord and wait for someones timezone to happen, the service-PROVIDER can do it as easy as it is in 1-2-3 to do a batch of operations from a list in a flatfile with steempy (steempy, you know ? link), network load is minimal, it doesnt even touch the blockchain

USERS would have to ALLOW their service providers to actually send messages while providers need to registers (so not everyone can just use it to send lalala and hahaha because that would be obvious DDOS-bait , no haxxer could resist that, well i dont call those people haxxers really, flooding a system with requests is not really a hack is it ?

i don't know if this actually needs more explanation, someone who mastered in software engineering should get the picture and can probably code this in a 12 hour hackaton or less

result : efficiency, customer service improved, easy access, no spam, negligible use of resources (i mean how much tweets can you store on a 1TB ssd ? that's a LOT and you dont need to store them , or you don't HAVE to, you COULD, to make sure the client doesnt delete the cookie or something but you dont HAVE to, and people who pay for services would certainly pay attention to it of that i have no doubt)

result : everybody happy

(oh dear, no i'm not gonna do that, please DONT vote for me as witness because i dont wanna, but if you accidentally dump a million delegated SP in my lap i won't sue you for it (haha haa ha, lol im so funny, right?)

yes well frankly my dear, sometimes i feel everyone is so gung-ho on the chain they forgot simple solutions are the best, hybrid technology WOAW ! no , seriously, i think its a good idea and i dont think it should be that hard to implement or host ? i mean there's plenty of cryptonnaires in the pantheon here who could lose that money while taking out their hankey, right?

and yes, i do feel it should be an integrated part of the steemit UI (or busy if that's yo thang), not an optional browser plugin, its always one more plugin, one more this one more that and thats REALLY annoying (isnt it ?)

im 99.9% sure the present state of web-development perfectly allows bits and chunks to be incorporated and or left out of pages before pushing it towards certain accounts, because not everyone would need it since its limited userbase and people who dont use services dont need it, if they dont need it even if its an 8x8 icon, it doesnt need to clutter up the screen, but yea, integrated, not plugin

(<-hates plugins)

if not , then you can always make the code do it client-side i suppose , that's all security issues way above my paygrade

trolls ... your classic so called "nigerian"-scam ... extortion tactics, "i got your pr0n but i wont tell anyone if you pay bla" ...

i think this is where i'm asking the actual question since i answered my part 1 myself

i recently noticed a few downvotes, its been ages but maybe i havent been paying attention, pretty sneaky, new accounts with zero power ... well, stripminers who get a new account and drain the steem to zero, keep the delegation to 15 .. one account negligible, three accounts 45sp ... do the math

as i said here : https://steemit.com/ubasti/@ubasti/sbd-distro-39-10-07-2018-50-50-3v

in reply to : https://steemit.com/flag/@guiltyparties/the-flag-ring#@pirateofthedtube/re-guiltyparties-the-flag-ring-20180712t232836291z

i only noticed because for some reason they came just on top as i tabbed to steemd :

https://steemd.com/@jetenculeprofond (at time of posting 4 days old)

https://steemd.com/@steemtwitting (38 days old)

https://steemd.com/@baissetonfroc (4 days old)

all have the same pattern : new accounts with 0.1SP left and the rest delegated (means they're likely not created with steempy and thus not connected, i havent checked)

actually i just did , all created by "steem" which means fresh accounts, not traceable to another one

almost all downvotes but i see theres a few upvotes in there, that might show connection but i'm not about to waste time on analysis on something i can't stop

and thats the whole point here

YOU CANT STOP THESE THINGS

three at nearly zero is nothing, a hundred is planktonicide, a thousand might hurt a whale you see

now the system does not simply allow disabling downvoting, it can be removed from the ui but you can give a negative vote if you still want, you dont have to be a genius to figure out how

i could do a lot of philosophy on why someone would do this but thats outside of todays scope im afraid (it could be zuckerberg trying to prove its necessary that you HAVE to identify yourself to get an account, it could be one-account fanatics ... weird people since there is no witness alive who has only one account really)

so how do you stop these things ?

well, you don't

when i first got on steemit i must have said something in steemchat that offended some content nazi (all in the craze of steemcleaners-the-enlightened-ones) and i found ALL my posts downvoted to zero, regardless of topic or content

i wrote a script for that, so i can see ALL and any who downvoted me since the creation of account (any account of which i have the history local on my ssd) but since i have been busy transforming the vault/distro scripts my "steemterm" collection hasnt been adapted to the renamed includes, functions and subscripts in different folder structure ... if it were serious i would have noticed but this is just creeping in

three in three days, three different ones, all to the same pattern, all downvotes (mostly except if you go back a few pages on steemd) zero steempower invested, all leeching pure trolling all under the denominator "trollflaggerbot" with two upvotes on top in the last day (as if to show there's an actual person and its not stray bots running on a forgotten server ... which is unlikely due to the age of said accounts)

i had only one other (retard but thats not the pc-word) person downvote like all distro-posts for a whole week to zero leaving some comment on how "i wouldnt get away with it" ... i still dont know if the fucker was high or not, or just someone who thinks they know me or someone from the past trying to be funny, or a mislead drunk content nazi , result the same : all payouts for a week zero, no one gets anything

still dont know why and i dont ask, by default, people who downvote or openly claim to keep blacklists get muted , that way they never can annoy me again (in my face that is) if they did the same instead of wrecking things would be solved

but they dont and they can still downvote, there is NO way to defend from trolling on steemchain

so that's the actual question

suggestions ?

opening the way to blocking accounts is dangerous because its decided by a handful of people

forcing people to register with name and address i think goes against the principle

i could only think of accounts having to be linked unless verified but what constitutes verification

you are encouraged to show yourself on your first post, but no one can make that hard right, and that's also not the intention

but stuff like this ? three accounts in three days ... makes for 365 in a year ... thats already a force to be reckoned with, not to mention what someone with that many entry points could try to do to the network

this is budding but i think it should be nipped so i call upon the pantheon if anyone is listening

but i also call here ... any suggestions would sure be welcomed by anyone involved

or victims

meanwhile i also hope my nightly endeavour doesnt attract local irl trolls, with the tek-savvy you get here on average (about global stuff i mean) and the way uncle po has nothing to look forward to so they would try to go looking in places where theres nothing because you cant get promotion in a town where nothing really happens can you ? hoping i'm not confused for a nightly internet trafficker or something, dispatching my crew around town to deliver door to door, while i sit here with holes in my shoes and pants (all to keep up appearances)

you wouldnt believe, i heard crazier shit about me than that

i just saw there's another one

https://steemd.com/@niquetarace (5 days old) exactly the same system, exactly just upvotes today 15 sp of which 14.9 delegated on a new account

so ... anyone ? i'll count only the names i know of ... @ned , @timcliff , @jesta , @dragosroua , @penguinpablo , @yabapmatt ? if you can fix this i'll vote you for witness (o wait i already do)

i'll include a few more lines and screenshots on the steemit blog, i fixed (i should say patched up) steemterm prelim to get my history local and parse it for downvotes, up until two months i had 105, a month before that i had about 100 and all those are from the first weeks when i got trulled by content nazis

we need defense against trolls, and if this account system keeps growing, YOU need defense against trolls too :)


as i said i did some quick patching on steemterm


q.e.d.

105 downvotes EVER until yesterday ?

the timestamps are out but it gives the posts so ... i should warn you i was quite frustrated at the start being squashed by obese fish without explanation, it makes me understand why so many accounts go stale after a short while , it wasnt a very warm welcome but well ... the kings and queens tend to be under-educated in the ways of men, thats nothing new at least

that was a hype , going on in the upper circles, i consider it that way

but this is clearly a budding problem

dear witnesses of the steemit pantheon

back then at the start ? i even got pushed SO LOW down to their level i actually cast ONE downvote ... after which i realized thats exactly the point ... and as far as i know

its still the only one

and believe you me or not : i am not mother mahatme theresa or jesus the forgiver but i dont see the point with limited resources and i certainly see how it can lashback

since it stays in the chain forever


well maybe i can just add a little opinion in fat caps

i'll do it in bold if i were to let my matrixed metaverse mind run loose and make a guess id call this a simulation of an injection with self-replicating nanobots. Powerless yet over time the potential to become a net to make stux blush. so to speak ... thing is these are all 'fresh' accounts which means they can't be linked, right ? all created by "steem" ... so it might be ill-intent to bring the network down or to make on "or ELSE" blackmail-attack "if you dont pay up" ...? thats possible HOWEVER since its so very un-subtle to start downvoting right off the bat (who would want that kind of attention unless they want attention ? downvoting hundreds at near to zero power ?) it MIGHT just be a shady grey hat pointing out a few things like - the futility of having one account ... because these are all "one accounts" and - the potential danger that might already be lurking in a few thousand of these who did NOT crave attention from day one ...

that's if i were to let my matrixed metaverse mind make a wild guess but it could be dozens of other things, its obviously connected by the same m.o.


thank you for your kind consideration ... your blockchain is potentially the cornerstone of my future lol :p

okay last edit, precious, since you ask : that would make it very hard to trace ... these accounts are traceable by m.o. that wouldnt be very hard actually (if you have a local copy of the whole chain and superfast memory and ssds lol , decent cpu wont be bad either but the scripting cant be that hard. If we were talking about lurkers however, "zombies" in the jargon, they would be untraceable until they attack :) i dont wanna scare you but it worries me

and nope, my head only works for things it agrees with and the last years only for things it agrees with that get me something. It doesnt do that on command and certainly not from nine to five. Its ALWAYS been a problem (for people who want to mule me up) it just wont work out, debunch your panties. THIS GETS ME SOMETHING, at the moment this is the only thing that gets me something, dont drag me away from it cos i will get you nothing :)

thats just how it came to be

nope, right now my head tells me i should give it a rest ... i think as far as postings go, despite the lack of shiney, layout and severe lack of the "give us your billions before we give you anything but hot air"-concept that seems to rule these days i think my head is satisfied with the substance provided, good night then, i'll get back on the replies tomorrow, wasted time is never gained again, but drained brains are empty

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yea i'm mister sh0-bot too, in my dreams ... its not very nice they downvote you though, id just mute you if you were annoying

ah yes i know who @ned scott is but i was under the impression @dan larrimer had left the building ? some fake article somewhere maybe ? i don't really follow the movements of the stars and planets much ... celebrity status doesnt mean much to me but yes i know who they are lol ... few of the only gods in the pantheon who go by their actual name too ...

no i'm not confused

not about any of that, its why i prefer to invoke the creator over demi-gods when i ring the bell , thats all

but ive been assured by @timcliff (another real name) the steemit - police is on it :)

and then some , quote from @ubasti

@selce-n , please let @themarkymark know about the accounts like @dertluc who have nothing but downvotes, they are on it but they need to know, it seems to be a plague and a quite recent one too

Screenshot from 2018-07-18 16-06-36.png

see ?

they all have the same m.o. keep 0.1 steem power and let steem delegate the rest so i guess they found a way to block it

wtg then @themarkymark :p and @steem and maybe steemcleaners but im still not too happy with you lot ...

@dertluc , @ytcomcenter2 , @carolusmagnus , @friendtoppriest , @niquetarace , @baissetonfroc , @steemtwitting , @jetenculeprofond

please observe : some of these have a few upvotes on top, maybe to throw your parser off , no idea

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