How to have your cake and eat it to - or how you can have your SP increase even while you are powering down

in #steemit8 years ago

A lot of people are reluctant to lock their funds for 2 years in SP and rightly so, that is something you need to think through and make sure you are comfortable with before you do it as there are no takebacks!

However, it is best that you base the decision using at much information as possible. I have seen a lot of figures tossed around about how fast STEEM is diluted, which directly controls how fast SP grows. We are in the expansion phase now, so the steady state inflation rate of 100% that is in the whitepaper is not here yet. It is currently growing a lot faster, about 300% per year, though exact rate is subject to change.

I like to actually verify numbers so I look at steemd.com in the upper right corner:
steem_per_mvests
260.284

5 days ago as I wrote in https://steemit.com/steemit/@jl777/vests-the-true-power-of-steem-and-why-i-personally-put-100-btc-into-steemit-ecosystem it was:
steem_per_mvests
251.534

Let's do some basic math -> 260.284 / 251.534 = ~3.48%
yes that is correct, over 3% in less than a week. Now as the issued steem rises, the percentage will drop, but even if there are only 30 such 2.5% increases, that means 2.5x growth in 1 year.

Now to the topic at hand. Powering down gets you 1/104th of your VESTS per week converted to STEEM at the then current conversion rate. So after 2 years you will have ever increasing weekly payouts and then no more VESTS, no more SP. This is probably not an optimal strategy if you believe in steemit. But to not powerdown might be a little too much risk as if anything happens then all your steemit is locked away.

So for people that want to have their powerdown and still gain SP each week and also want to end up with SP at the end of 2 years, do the following each week:

  1. powerdown
  2. wait for the weekly powerdown payment
  3. cancel powerdown
  4. repeat process starting with 1. powerdown

Huh? You might think what is the point of this. The idea is that as long as the steem_per_mvest is growing faster than 1/104 per week, the doing this will mean your SP balance will still increase every week, even as you are extracting liquid STEEM with the weekly powerdown. Granted you wont end up with anywhere near as much SP as compared to never powering down, however the risk/reward equation is drastically changed.

The reason is that it wont take anywhere near 2 years to extract all the capital out as long as STEEM price is anywhere close to stable. The 1/104th per week is recalibrated each week to your new total and that amount is increasing each week by the difference between the ~3.5% and the ~1% or about 2.5% per week. Now 2.5% compounded is not as good as 3.5%, but it is still a 40% growth per quarter, so in 6 months the powerdown is extracting closer to 2% than 1% (still assuming STEEM price is relatively stable). So a cashout schedule that is something like is possible:
Q1: 16%
Q2: 25%
Q3: 38%
Q4: 50%
meaning instead of 2 years, within 1 year to extract via powerdown enough liquid STEEM to recoup any capital you have put in. Of course, if STEEM price drops according to the 3.5% inflation rate, then it is a different story, but I am writing about liquidity extraction under the "steemit doubles its userbase and marketcap in its first year" scenario.

If you believe in steemit's future growth but were a bit hesitant due to the 2 year period, the first year's expansion phase provides an exception and allows you to grow your SP while powering down continuously. And you will still have SP at the end of the year.

Since fiat govt's are continuously printing money at mind boggling rates, it doesnt seem so crazy that steemit can do the same, as long as userbase continues to expand.

James

crypto777 is my witness account #37 on https://steemit.com/~witnesses

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This is a very enlightening article. It contains a lot of very good information and tips. I'll use your strategy if I ever needs cash. Thank you again @jl777!

When you initiate a Power Down it notes your current Steem Power and sets a fixed 1/104th part in in Vests that gets sent to you every week (you can see that recorded on steemd.com under Vesting withdraw rate).

That number remains fixed untill you do a Cancel Power Down and Reinitiate it again in order to get an up to date value of Steem Power (VESTS) you have available and do the calculation again.

So if you just Power Down and don't cancel and repower again every week you will still have some Steem Power left even if you wait the 104 weeks to pass, because of the interest rate you have and probably the interaction you do in that period of time ot steemit.

Great post, vests and powering down are one of the few things I had yet to completely understand and this helps immensly.

Thanks I was wondering how the people were havIng Steem power go up while powering down. It thought it was from posting

Can you confirm the Steem power holders get 90% of seigniorage even if inflation is higher than 100%?

pretty sure it cant help but end up boosting the steem_per_mvest ratio, which means SP gets the 90%

I think if you click powerdown again, it starts a new powerdown based on the current amount of vests (so the cancel step may be redundant - although it allows for clarity on what is being done).

doesnt cost anything for extra step and avoids any "smart" layer that would notice you are not changing state and filtering it out. but it makes sense that each powerdown will reset, but if it was a one step thing to do this that just seems to make it too easy

Interesting math!
Keep your calculator going for more number crunching. ;)
Regards,

Can I just say learning to understand this crypto currency is rather irritating sometimes. I am not a math based person and I've only found one article that even made half an amount of sense to me. I am sure this is a good article but honestly, its like reading Chinese for me. I'm always going to b numbers challenged.

Interesting post. Well done :)

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