RE: A Priceless Tip For Steemit Newbies Seeking Followers & Upvotes... (The #1 Thing To Do And NOT Do)
Hello rok-sivante. This is an excellent post and I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. I have a few issues, such as posting images and no credits, copied posts, copied and pasted comments on various posts, plagiarism and to a degree YouTube clips. They could all be uploaded onto DTube. I have had a few examples of people who I have commented on their posts and not had a response. It is confirmation to me that they are not for the Steemit community, because upvoting over 200 posts a day isn't possible, if you were to read each one.
My issue is, how do you report these people or try to stop the crap, which is for platforms like Facebook? I will have to look into using Discord Chat and seeing if something can be done. The problem with flagging is I think they'll just flag me back. I am not completely sure ofthe best way to deal with these folk, but your post was really supportive to me, in that it echoed my feelings completely.
I see Steemit as something very special. It could be a massive part of my future and maybe many other folks'. I love it so much that I have been having a very hard time to try to let the 'right' people know about it on Facebook, because there are some complete goons on Facebook and I know this is like vetting, but the word is out there and a few bad apples won't be missed. That said, I have posted something earlier and added a footnote to come along and join me here.
Steemit is amazing and we need to police and protect it. There is so much plagiarism, theft and a total disregard for the source of images and the likes that have been shared. I have always said that one should lead by example (which can be abused, I know) and I have always thought it common-sense to lead who you would like to be led, so to speak. A reciprocal world vibrates at a much better wavelength than one at odds with itself, and at the moment, Steemit is at odds with itself, as there are two schools of thought here, I feel.
Firstly, we have ourselves, if I dare be so bold, Sir? And then you have a large mix of folk who fit under the umbrella of the issues at hand. It's a shame that something can't be implemented to prevent this from happening. I have checked out every single profile of the people that I follow. Why?
Because I followed some blindly in my first few days and I wanted to do it whilst there was only 350 people that I was following, before it was six months down the line and over 1,000 to look through. I wanted to make sure that I was only following people that I supported. I unfollowed all bots and unfollowed 100 people in total. This was not me being nasty, but was for the following reasons: Not used account, Not posted for 6 months, full of porn (don't know how I started following them), just re-steem posts, steeming down power (this was a deciding point, after other issues had been discovered), negative posts, too many posts, plagiarism and one that causes a lot of contention, 'upvoting themselves.
Now, let me just try to clear something up, but I do need help with this, although not asking in this place, here. I do not think it makes any sense for minnows to upvote themselves. On a purely mathematical and merit based basis, The alloted vote money or power is allocated to each Steemian, to be passed on to posts that they feel worthy of support and which they would like to see grow. Need I continue, really? I use Steem Now, which can see a little more detail on peoples voting habits and I see so many minnows ypvoting all of their posts with a very small percentage, giving them very little power or help.
I feel that they do this to take a percentage of the curator rewardss, but I feel it shouldn't be allowed, because if we upvote others and comment and upvote each others comments, then Steemit will grow very big and very strong. My other issue is with potential divisions within Steemit, as the whales are not encouraged to upvote minnows and it would be nice if whales received some form of incentive for upvoting a minnow, say, ten or twenty percent of the time. Maybe I have got it wrong, but the curator rewards seem overcomplicated to me and I feel they are mildly detrimental to the growth of Steemit, but Steemit has a core of creative, original folk who really want to defend and support Steemit in the correct way, because they are wise and genuinely intelligent enough to see the potential that it has, not for the self, but also for everybody.
I know that you like proper responses, but I do apologise for the length of this, but I've found my flow again, raw though it is at present, and have really been enjoying typing and expressing myself, but I am aware that I may well have over-indulged you, Sir and for that apologise - Sorry.
Thank you, very much, for your post and all the very best to you and if you start a 'gang', please count me in :).
True words. Your 7th paragraph got to me. I did belong to a group where we helped upvote each other's blog. Some of the posts were so bad and obviously done in a hurry. For conscience and self esteem sake, I had to leave.
Hi @pangoli. These groups are bound to exist, but sometimes these things are done through error or a lack of knowledge or understanding. At least you have a conscience and you left the group. I think in time, there will just be less space for opportunists, but they do have an eye for an opportunity, so they can often be almost a step ahead of the game, but the bottom line I think is that Steemit is on the whole a success story, but has a few little glitches to sort out, but such is the nature of an organically developed concept.
Thank you for your comment :).
You're Welcome 😃
Shite mun, now that is a thoughtful response!
Undoubtedly, there are many challenges growing a new ecosystem like this. Many mistakes to be made, lessons to be learned, upgrades to be implemented. And while decentralization May have its perks, it also poses obstacles in organizing such conscious advancement, with so many different people on different pages.
Nonethless, we carry on. And it is the passion and commitment of people like yourself, sharing their views and ideas on how to improve, that shall drive us all forward, one small step at a time... 🙏
Hi @rok-sivante. Thank you, for the reply. I agree with regards to the various challenges on various levels with the concepts and developmental ideals that might unfold before us in the not too distant future. The variable qualities of people makes the whole affair not appear to be people on different pages, but maybe more akin to monkeys reading from completely different books :), but I agree that the solution for the immediateness of necessity is to plod on, continue and do as you would were it be competely to your liking, because it can only add to the mix in a positive way and we can only wait and see what might result from the input. Steemit has already been a very positive place for me and one which I massively support and care for. Steemit is everyone's baby.
Another small step for mankind, another fake moon lan..... sorry, I mean another small step towards the goal (no need for leaping around, is there?).
All the best :).
😊
A post within a post! Good point @gwb235
Really great answer. Wanted to answer you.
-> You can always report abuse via this form.
-> You can also help with donation/ SP delegation to @steemcleaners & friends (@cheetah, etc).
I don't think it's abuse. I think it's the correct way to do. But you will be soon desilusionnated with many people on Steem.
I finally agree with everything you said about whales / minnows etc but that's another story.
Hope @rok-sivante will take you in his gang somedays ;-) Good luck on Steemit ! You have won a follower, just checked your blog and loved some of your article.
Hello @roxane. Thank you, very much, for your reply and replies :). It's helpful to know how to deal with such matters, because most of my time spent is on researching posts, which I feel might not be original or truly genuine or honest. I commented today on a post where @cheetah had said they upvoted the post and referenced another post with similar content. This other post was completely plagiarised by the Steemian responsible for 'block' copying and pasting the article and even used the original imge, without any reference, links or credits. So, with @cheetah being a bot, it's difficult to open a conversation with them regarding the efficacy of their aims. I may be wrong, but here is a link to the article:
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@bapi81/whatever-you-say-jamie-jpmorgan-ceo-will-stop-talking-about-bitcoin#@bapi81/re-gwb235-re-gwb235-re-bapi81-whatever-you-say-jamie-jpmorgan-ceo-will-stop-talking-about-bitcoin-20171012t155545867z
Up to now, if I see something that I know is plagiarised or similarly unacceptable, I do make comments of @steemcleaners and @cheetah, but didn't know that I needed to donate and must be missing a few things like this, but will look into it and I think I would attract @steemcleaners and have seen @blacklist as well, but it does seem like a never ending job, somewhat like the painting of the Forth Bridge is.
I only want to do what's best for Steemit, and I do feel that Steemit is worth protecting, but I also feel like some kind of unelected policeman, judge, jury and hangman, although I know that there is a core of Steemians that whole-heartedly support my thoughts and feelings on the matters discussed. You may be correct, regarding the disillusionment :), but if we don't continue onward, we either stagnate or regress, so I guess that it's a case of onward and upward for now.
The link that you gave me to 'this form' is what I have been looking for. Thank you very much for that and thank you for following me and taking a look at my blog. I have reciprocated :). I was learning the chorus for ils onts change me chanson (? - could Google it, but I'd rather test myself a little :) ), as it's a fantastic song and not about what people think it is.
Thanks again, for the welcoming and helpful response :).
Thank you, @sanuk, kind words :).
what do you call plagiarism exactly, we all get our ideas somewhere... all my work may be reproduced with the original link without permission.
what do you worry about the images' source... some mention the source but I do not... not to mention that it is not sure that the pix found on a site really belongs to the site itself. You would be surprised. I will mention the source the day I make writing a living, until then I am not worried
Hello @earthcustodians. Plagiarism is defined as: "the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own."
I'm not sure what you mean by my worrying about the images' source, but it isn't your original work if you take the images or words from another source. Steemit supports and aids original work.
People can split hairs, regarding definitions, but I feel that this is just a distraction from the common-sense and honest way to create posts. I feel that the point has been missed by many and am just reminding us all that Steemit is all about originality, not picking bits from here and there that you think will be popular or other methods of attempting to attract popularity.
I just want to be in a symbiotic community where we all aid each other in some way and for those that are deserving to do well, and those that wish to exploit, regardless of on which level, fail to succeed.
This is just my personal opinion, but it does seem to resonate with the essence of Steemit less abruptly than I feel that your approach does, but again, this is just my view, but I prsonally value my views, opinions and perceptions, because they hold value to me and may even do the same for others.
With regards to making a living by writing, you are, by definition of your comment posting, even if you were to never create a post. It would be a rubbish living, of course, but do you not create posts on here and get an income, of sorts, for it? One could argue that your aim is to do such and you may be getting a very small living from your present input on Steemit. It isn't necessarily about the amount, but more the definition, I feel.
Yes, it is the extreme view of earning a living by posting, but you have and do see people on here doing it every day and growing in number, so I just feel the making a living thing is somewhat of a thin ice topic to introduce in this context.
All that said, thank you for your comment and I hope that this is received in the way it is intended - as a friendly retort to your question, in an aim to learning and bettering our time here, for each other, as we are the future of Steemit.
All the best :).
thanks for clarifying... but I dont believe in any form of copyright. We do not invent anything but merely discover. As for pictures, people who have real concerns should print their names on them. Photobanks do that.
see my blog:
Patenting Knowledge In The Perpetually Creating Universe
No Free Will & No Thoughts of Your Own In The Perpetually Creating Universe
Hello @earthcustodians,
It does seem that we have very different perspectives and opinions on this topic. Everything on the internet is there to be used. Everything on this plane is there to be used. But it is a matter of respect to the creator, to give credit for their work, should it inspire you or should you feel the need to use their work in part, to better express a point, concept or ideal, amongst other expressions.
I feel that this is an inner feeling issue. I feel that it's right to credit, source and link work, because my ego doesn't have to pretend to be the creator, or I don't fear people thinking less of me for using the inspirations of another, because they inspire me and I would like to transmit that to other folk.
This is just how I feel, of course, and I do get that you feel differently, but one have to be careful that one is not creating reasons, excuses and righteous perspectives, based on not being able to accept criticism from one's peers, in order to justify one's stance.
Belief is another discourse, but I do feel that the word copyright might not be helping here. We are talking about intellectual property and uncopywritten works that are creted from personal work and input, study, research and composition. I feel better in myself for giving credit and support to those that I look to for inspiration, help and elucidation.
Maybe we should agree to disagree, but I never understood that and I feel it is always better all round, to discuss such matters as we can all learn from doing that.
Thank you, for your comment, @earthcustodians