Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

in steemit •  5 months ago

Would you like to know which of the top upvoting bid bots give the maximum payout back to delegators because this will be useful the next time you have Steem Power you want to delegate for profit?

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This is a post that took me quite a long time to write because I had to collect a lot of data, calculate and analyze, so I can present you accurate figures for each of the top bots I looked at.

I originally did that selfishly for myself to know what my returns were for two upvoting bots I delegated to, @jerrybanfield and @tipu, which both say they have the highest payouts because the first one is giving back all curation rewards and the second one 60% of the curation rewards.

When I first delegated to @jerrybanfield my intention was to help fund Steem projects because the payout for delegators was only 50%, while the other 50% were used to fund projects. This has now changed to a ~ 110% according to this post: All In On Fundition.io + Budget Proposals Ending + Bot Delegator Payouts Increasing to ~110%!

In the contrary, I originally delegated to @tipu, which is a smaller bot, to get the maximum payout.

I decided to extend my research to other top bots as well to see if I was right to delegate to these two bots, and see if I had other better possibilities. It is what I am sharing with you today.

If you only want to read the results without the details on how I came up with them, go to the "Conclusion" section of this post.

UPDATE June 19, 2018: I know that the results I am presenting here upset some people, but I did my best to collect the data on a 7-day period and show my process and calculation that you can now use to do your own research. I did make a mistake missing one payment in Steem for @smartsteem and this has been corrected in the post accordingly. Some people make allegations that I faked the results in some way, ask questions, and then downvote my answer when they don't like it. If you want to read a reply from me in this post that has been downvoted and not visible, would you just click the button to view it, or maybe upvote it to make it visible and support freedom of speech as I do? Before delegating to any of these bots I advise you to do your own calculations because this post is not intended to give investment advices.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

Let's have a look first at the top upvoting bots I decided to look at.

I went to https://steembottracker.com and started to collect data for the bots having more than $60 in vote value.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

The data was collected on June 2, 2018, and as the value of STEEM and SBD is always changing, these values will be different if you look at them today. However, all the data in this post was collected on the same day, so it can be fairly compared.

I made this table and I sorted the bots by "Vote Value,"

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

The bot with the highest vote value is @postpromoter and the lowest vote value is @sneaky-ninja.

@tipu is a guest bot in that study because it's not even a bid bot.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

I wanted to know for this one as well because I have 400 SP with them, this might be useful for you. It has the lowest vote value of all.

The next step was to know more about delegators, SP and VESTS delegated, and if they are open to delegations.

I used this tool for each of them: https://helloacm.com/tools/steemit/delegators/

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This gave me the number of delegators, the amount of SP and VESTS delegated for each bot.

This also showed me that certain bots have very few delegators.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

I have marked @buildawhale, @rocky1, @booster and @sneaky-ninja as "Private delegators" because I see nowhere how to delegate to them and it seems that they are own by people who can do without our delegation.

We are left with 10 upvote bots that we can delegate Steem Power to, and that I used in my case study.

My process to collect data and calculations

Instead of looking at what each upvoting bid bot is advertising for their delegators, 50%, 80%, 90%, 95% or 100% daily payouts with or without reward sharing, information which is not even easy to find for some of them, I decided to just look at the wallet of one delegator for each bot and see what they earned in a 7-day period according to their delegation in Steem Power.

For example, I went to https://steemworld.org/@postpromoter and clicked on the "Delegation (In)" tab. There, you can see who the delegators are and what amount of SP they have delegated.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

I chose one delegator in the list with more than a thousand SP and went to their wallet to collect data for a 7-day period.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

Some upvoting bots pay SBD and STEEM daily, some pay only SBD, and one pays several times per day. I collected all this data in a spreadsheet and as every delegator has a different amount of SP delegated, I calculated an equivalent for 1,000 SP for every bot.

This is how I collected the data in a spreadsheet.

In this case we had daily payouts in STEEM and SBD.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

If the delegation is 2,500 SP, and the payout for 7 days is 16 SBD, I have the following for 1,000 SP:

16 ÷ 2,500 x 1,000 = 6.4 SBD (for 7 days)

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

The payout is different each day because it depends on the bids users made, and having a value for 7 days makes a good average.

I then calculated the revenue for one day like this:

6.4 ÷ 7 = 0.914 SBD

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

I did the same thing with payouts in STEEM.

I then multiplied the daily value with 1,000 SP delegated by 365 days for payouts in SBD and STEEM. This assumes that the average payout will stay the same for a year.

0.914 x 365 = 333.714 SBD

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

Finally, I divided the SBD value by 1.3, which is the current rate of exchange, and added it to the STEEM, so I could have a final value in STEEM and calculate the final APR.

29.513 + (333.714 ÷ 1.3) = 286.216 STEEM

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

286.216 ÷ 1,000 x 100 = 29% APR (rounded up)

I hope that this helps understanding all the calculations I made in this case study.

The bid bots data and calculations

Ordered by "Vote Value" for the case study.

1) @postpromoter

The first bid bot is @postpromoter and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in STEEM and SBD.

I picked delegator @zoom with 7,541 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 1.696 STEEM and 40.928 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.225 STEEM and 5.427 SBD for 7 days, 0.032 STEEM and 0.775 SBD for one day, 11.727 STEEM and 283.000 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 229.419 STEEM per year.

The APR is 23%.

2) @appreciator

The second bid bot is @appreciator and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in STEEM and SBD.

I picked delegator @btcmillionaire with 5,008 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 0.775 STEEM and 29.486 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.155 STEEM and 5.888 SBD for 7 days, 0.022 STEEM and 0.841 SBD for one day, 8.069 STEEM and 307.006 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 244.227 STEEM per year.

The APR is 24%.

3) @smartsteem

The third bid bot is @smartsteem and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in SBD and STEEM on some days

I picked delegator @thally with 1,000 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 0.315 STEEM and 6.765 SBD.

We already have 1,000 SP and this gives us 0.045 STEEM and 0.966 SBD for one day, 16.425 STEEM and 352.746 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 287.768 STEEM per year.

The APR is 29%.

4) @upme

The fourth bid bot is @upme and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in STEEM and SBD.

I picked delegator @arama with 21,406 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 8.019 STEEM and 117.317 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.375 STEEM and 5.481 SBD for 7 days, 0.054 STEEM and 0.783 SBD for one day, 19.533 STEEM and 285.772 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 239.358 STEEM per year.

The APR is 24%.

5) @therising

The fifth bid bot is @therising and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has payouts in STEEM on some days and everyday payouts in SBD.

I picked delegator @henry-gant with 4,005 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 1.295 STEEM and 25.001 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.323 STEEM and 6.242 SBD for 7 days, 0.046 STEEM and 0.892 SBD for one day, 16.860 STEEM and 325.499 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 267.244 STEEM per year.

The APR is 27%.

6) @promobot

The sixth bid bot is @promobot and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in STEEM and SBD.

I picked delegator @equibyte with 2,134 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 1.237 STEEM and 10.69 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.580 STEEM and 5.009 SBD for 7 days, 0.083 STEEM and 0.716 SBD for one day, 30.225 STEEM and 261.203 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 231.151 STEEM per year.

The APR is 23%.

7) @upmewhale

The seventh bid bot is @upmewhale and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in STEEM and SBD.

I picked delegator @cryptoiceman with 10,607 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 2.954 STEEM and 67.173 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.278 STEEM and 6.333 SBD for 7 days, 0.040 STEEM and 0.905 SBD for one day, 14.522 STEEM and 330.215 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 268.533 STEEM per year.

The APR is 27%.

8) @boomerang

The eighth bid bot is @boomerang and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has several payouts per day in STEEM and SBD.

I picked delegator @malonmar with 3,000 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 1.791 STEEM and 15.964 SBD.

I had to collect all data day by day for this bid bot and payments in STEEM are quite irregular.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.597 STEEM and 5.321 SBD for 7 days, 0.085 STEEM and 0.760 SBD for one day, 31.129 STEEM and 277.470 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 244.567 STEEM per year.

The APR is 24%.

9) @jerrybanfield

The ninth bid bot is @jerrybanfield and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in STEEM and SBD with a bigger STEEM payout once a week that includes rewards.

I picked delegator @gmichelbkk (myself) with 2,500 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 4.412 STEEM and 16.248 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 1.765 STEEM and 6.499 SBD for 7 days, 0.252 STEEM and 0.928 SBD for one day, 92.022 STEEM and 338.887 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 352.704 STEEM per year.

The APR is 35%.

10) @tipu

The tenth bid bot is @tipu and this is the table.

Case Study: Which Top Upvoting Bots to Delegate to for the Highest Daily Payout?

This bid bot has everyday payouts in STEEM and SBD.

I picked delegator @gmichelbkk (myself) with 400 SP delegated and the revenue for 7 days was 0.246 STEEM and 2.309 SBD.

For 1,000 SP this gives us 0.615 STEEM and 5.773 SBD for 7 days, 0.088 STEEM and 0.825 SBD for one day, 32.068 STEEM and 300.995 SBD for one year, which equals to a total of 263.602 STEEM per year.

The APR is 26%.

Conclusion

This last table shows the payout in STEEM for one year and the APR for each bot if you delegated 1,000 SP.

RANKBOT NAMEVOTE VALUETOTAL STEEM/YEARAPR
1@jerrybanfield$82.99352.70435%
2@smartsteem$473.51287.76829%
3@upmewhale$109.27268.53327%
4@therising$194.54267.24427%
5@tipu$48.68263.60226%
6@boomerang$96.40244.56724%
7@appreciator$599.11244.22724%
8@upme$325.84239.35824%
9@promobot$190.21231.15123%
10@postpromoter$603.14229.41923%

There is a clear winner here for delegating Steem Power if your goal is to make the maximum profit.

The @jerrybanfield bid bot is the top bid bot for delegators with a 35% APR.

The @smartsteem bid bot is second for delegators with a 29% APR.

The @upmewhale and @therising bid bots both are third for delegators with a 27% APR.

The @tipu bot is fifth for delegators with a 26% APR.

The other bid bots have a 22% to 24% APR.

Now, you may prefer to delegate to bots with a lower APR if your goal is not to make the highest profit, but participate in whatever community projects they may have, that is up to you.

I hope that this case study is useful for you to decide which bid bots to delegate to for maximum profit.

Would you upvote this post and follow me for more because this will encourage me to write more Steem case studies like this one?

Michel Gerard

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Would you please help @jerrybanfield become a top 10 Witness because he is in my opinion the witness who gives the most back to the community?

Absolutely fucking not.

Gives the most back? Have you lost your damn mind, or are you just a paid Jerry shill? Jerry Banfield is a charlatan who does nothing but try to scheme and scam for more money. And he does this by intentionally fudging the math and pretending to be ignorant about other services and/or information that’s readily available. He has done this repeatedly...and not just on this platform.

I would encourage all users and investors to stop supporting Jerry and anyone who sings his praises. He is not doing you or your investment any favors by continually lying, scheming, and scamming...and looking like a complete jackass while doing it.

Would you upvote this post and follow me for more because this will encourage me to write more Steem case studies like this one?

No. I actually downvoted instead and will downvote any posts like this in the future. And you may want to check your numbers again, as others have already pointed out. It’s one thing to ignorantly praise someone. But it’s completely different to purposely misrepresent them and provide inaccurate or knowingly false data in order to seek or give investment advice/information.

If I were you, I’d be very careful about doing the latter.

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Thank you very much @ats-david for commenting, giving me a downvote showing your disapproval and an upvote of around the same amount for this comment so I can see it.

I understand why inviting people to vote for Jerry as a witness at the bottom of this post may be misunderstood and I have removed it. Thank you for helping me see this.

I am not interested in Steemit politics and this study does not reflect if I like or not the bot owner. I did have one error that I corrected, accurate data is what I want the most because I selfishly did that study for myself.

If you are not satisfied with the results, I invite you to take as much time as I did to make your own research and publish it. I will be happy to upvote it as much as I have been upvoting your comment here.

I also invite everyone to do their own calculations for the bots they are considering delegating to before delegating.

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I see some Jerry's style in this post:

Would you upvote this post and follow me for more because this will encourage me to write more Steem case studies like this one?

Thank you for bidding! Will you please add me to your witness votes or set me as a proxy at https://steemit.com/~witnesses because this will help us increase the value of Steem together?

Regarding @smartsteem (which is one of two promotion services by Smartsteem.com):

1.) Payouts are in SBD & STEEM. The user @thally, you've picked - had 2 payouts this week with STEEM. Please fix that in your calculation ASAP.
2.) Payouts are everyday as long as the user has a pending payout of at least 0.4 SBD / 0.4 STEEM. Otherwise the system will try to payout the next day. (and the day after, etc.)
3.) @smartsteem is giving away 95% of the liquid profits to delegators - which is a huge chunk of revenue percentage. The rest 5% and curation-rewards are funds for the current & past development and for future projects.


I personally see Smartsteem.com as the Lamborghini of post-promotion services. Continuous innovation, newest technology, most aesthetic design - always striving to be the best of the best.

But you can of course always choose @jerrybanfield.

Your decision.

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lol, this was fun!

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Glad you enjoyed it!

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Ha,ha I choose the Lamborghini...,the most sophisticated one like smartsteem, that 's why it's called smartsteem because it's the smart choice to earn more Steem!

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Yeah that right. I'll also choose the lamborghini.

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Interesting comment @therealwolf to this post. Down below, @whatsup indicates this is your "service." Is that so? I don't see any reference to that in your comments.

Please respond. Thanks in advance!

Steemin’ along and on the move ... Posted using Partiko Android

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It should be well known that I'm the creator of Smartsteem.com. It's in my bio on Steemit and directly on the website:

https://smartsteem.com/team

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After a long day, I appreciate checking in and finding you had replied @therealwolf. Thank you.

It should be well known ...

Oh? By who? New to our Steem Community, I did not know or I wouldn't have written my request. And simply judging by the responses here to your comment, as I mentioned, @whatsup obviously knew, but apparently @gmichelbkk did not ...

Thank you again @therealwolf, for taking the time you did to reply, including a link to you and your team. In my Month 1 Update post, I discuss my first impressions of bots, but I will research it some more now, after reading all that has been written in this post.

Steemin’ along and on the move ... Posted using Partiko Android

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Thank you very much @roleerob for asking questions that are useful to this thread.

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It is shameless self-promotion by using every dick opportunity to paint the other in a poor light. Mr bean for the win imo

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Thank you for your comment @therealwolf. I collected data for all bots on the same days and this is what came out.

I do not say that one bot is better than the other, I just present the facts and encourage readers to investigate further before delegating.

I am glad that you found a bot that you are comfortable delegating to and I invite anyone who disagrees with the results to do another run for all bots and collect data on the same days.

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It's his service, not one he delegates to. :)

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Thank you for your input @whatsup.

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Many people enjoy the craziness of a mr bean ride hahahaha

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@phoneinf, I guess that no one predicted that this silly character would be so popular around the world.

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If the author doesn't correct the post, can you please correct it here in the comments and tell what is the real APR and which position smartsteem would stand in the list? I currently have a lot of steem in binance and i was thinking of moving here and investing on a bot and i'm trying to decided which one.
Thank you @therealwolf

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Thank you very much @ninegags for encouraging me to review the data and I corrected the post accordingly @therealwolf. One payment in Steem came up later that day that I didn't see in the Steemit wallet probably because of time difference and for more than a week there were no Steem. My apologies.
smartsteem.jpg
What I want the most is accurate data and if you want to delegate @ninegags, do the calculations for a period close to the day you want to delegate.

@gmichelbkk - This is all very good information, but I think delegators need to seriously consider not only the returns offered by various bots, but also what type of content those bots are upvoting.

Some of the bots which are lower down on your list have lower returns because they are much more aggressive in blacklisting abusers and have settings that help prevent spam.

Blacklists are typically not public, but before delegating to a bot I would ask them about their blacklist. Many on the top of the payout list have none, or very very small ones. Additionally it's important to look at the minimum post age allowed, which is published on https://steembottracker.com.

Bots that allow posts to be upvoted at less than 20 minutes open the door to lots of spam as users can just wait until the bot is about to vote before they post so that they can earn a large return by avoiding having any curation rewards taken out of the vote value.

There's a new site http://isteemd.com which does a good job of incorporating these factors as well as many others when determining which bots to delegate Steem Power to.

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Thank you @yabapmatt for your comment. Yes, I agree that returns is not the only point to consider and that's why I got started with only 50% returns so the other 50% could be used to finance projects on Steem. I liked that option better. That's also why I delegate to other communities.

This case study is not intended to say which bot people should delegate to according to how they are set-up, with spam lists or not, but to show the facts with data collected on the same days for all.

This encourages comments like yours to explain that there are other factors as well to consider when delegating or using bots.

Thank you for mentioning the new site, which I will look at.

My experience with @jerrybanfield was that it was paying the lowest, while @tipu is the best (though I didn't delegate to tipu , but I have seen my friends are getting good returns)

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@monajam, thank you for commenting. I am delegating to both of them in addition to other communities. I think diversification is a good idea.

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Interesting! You have delegated to these 5

Never heard of @silvergoldbotty

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Thank you for checking out my delegations. @silvergoldbotty is a community bot that upvote your quality posts according to your delegation once a day.

Thanks for mentioning @tipU :) I guess that picking one day may be risky because there's fluctuations between payouts each day but this method is perfectly understandable, taking how much work it needs :)

One of the better ways to compare profitability is:

  1. go to https://www.steemdesk.com/
  2. type in user @lavater (top right corner)
  3. go to delegations -> current

You can check total amount of payouts and APR for many bots because @lavater delegated exactly 1000 SP to 8 of them :) Current results for 40 last days:

bot - APR:
appreciator - 18.90 %
boomerang - 27.04 %
jerrybanfield - 19.77 %
postpromoter - 23.31 %
smartsteem - 22.18 %
therising - 25.90 %
tipu - 26.70 %
upmewhale - 25.87 %

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(right click -> show image)

It seems that Jerry's bot had a really good day when you took the data ;)

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tipuvote! 2 for visibility :)

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Thank you for your comment @cardboard, but I took the data on seven days to make an average of the low and highs, not one day.

Thank you very much also for showing me this site, this is interesting. I still prefer to do the calculations myself because I am sure data is collected on the same period for all bots.

The screenshot shows delegations that start at different days, and days delegated are not the same, some with 40 and some with 10 or 23. This can't be compared in my opinion.

I agree that during the time frame I chose some bots may have had a bad day or a good day making the results as they are.

I may do that again in a month and see how it goes.

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Sorry, had to misunderstand something.

The formula for APR displayed in the screenshot takes into account the amount of days delegated but I agree, the best way is to calculate it by yourself :)

You made a tremendous efforts for collecting all of this data you have shown us today. I think @jerrybanfield bot is the most used so it doesn't have any idle time so it is also the most profitable bot. You have a gifted talent on reading numbers and statistics. Thank you for making this. Followed you

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Thank you @hiroyamagishi for your kind comment. It took a lot of time indeed and I hope this is useful for everyone to look at this in addition of their own research before delegating.

Delegate to small bots they gives better ROI big bots has many competition. @flymehigh giving good try out. If you delegates and promote it will upvote you.

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Thank you @atishdarpel for your feedback, and suggesting a small bot. I may write another case study taking in consideration smaller bots as you say.

I am going to make this statement once.

I was a delagator to JerryBanfield when I saw the 36% return rate CLAIM.

I have seen the fact that you and he cross promote.

4 months ago I was tracking and calculating my return for 3 weeks at no time was that the rate was not even CLOSE TO 24% AT SIMPLE INTEREST.

I have seen him make a claim to reduce his return rates multiple times and now over the last couple of weeks he said he is closing his bot and undelegating all the the SP and closing the Bot Down.

And now he opens a new one with no return guaranties because if a "bot misses a vote after at least six hours from sending the bid", "visit https://jerrybanfield.com/contact/ for help in discord!"

RECHARGE CYCLE TIME IS UNDER 3 HRS.

SO AT MINIMUM HE IS ASKING TO MOVE THE BIDS BETWEEN PERIODS TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS,
WHICH IS NOT A BID BOT

OR WORSE if you don't get your bid from banfield's bot...you might think you have because of other upvotes, and because he did not AUTOMATICALLY REFUND, you may lose your money because you did not contact him through a second non-steemit platform.
ESSENTIALLY GAMING PEOPLE, TAKING MONEY AND HOPING THEY DO NOT RESPOND ON A DISCORD CHANNEL.

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Thank you very much @richatvns for saying this only once. The numbers in my case study are the numbers for a given week for all bots so they can be compared. This is because of claims like you say from different bots that I decided to see by myself in the delegators' wallets what exactly the get.

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You should also probably be clear that you delegate to Jerry so have a vested interest in seeing him grow in strength as a witness and bot owner..

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Thank you for your comment @mazzle. It is perfectly clear because in the post I say that the calculation for his bot are made using my own payouts. I could have picked another user, but I wanted to see for my own delegation, and me delegating to him or not has nothing to do with the results of the study because I delegate even more to other bots.

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please do another study for one month data

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I agree that this would be great @steemero, but a lot of work. I will think about it.

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I must have misread that part. My bad.

Your post mainly bothers me since you're calling for witness votes to Jerry in all of your posts. Jerry is well known for being a bad egg on this platform so it's concerning to see someone post something that makes it seem as if he does good for Steemit. He doesn't and is only here for his own benefit. Do some research.

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I am glad that you feel this thread is a safe place to voice your opinion. Me voting for Jerry as a witness together with 7,000 plus other users on Steem, I believe, has nothing to do with the results of the study. You have the right to your opinion as I have the right to mine. Thank you again @mazzle for making the discussion interesting.

Nice
I like your style .. for more creativity
Thanks for sharing..

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Thank you very much @slimanepro, I am glad that you like my style.

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Jerry's bot is subject to change at anytime without notice. It has only been running at that APR for a short period of time. Also, during that time he converted to JBC and did not payout for a few days before he relaunched the bot and cancelled JBC.

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Thank you @fow for your comment and I agree that APR can change for all bots in a given period of time. It all depends on bot usage, value of Steem and SBD, etcetera. I may write a second post in a month's time to see how it goes or you might write your own.

This is very interesting and informative.

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I am glad that you like it @amnasahar.

Very insightful indeed. May likely just go with delegating my SP soon if the APRs are really that high. Thanks.

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Thank you for your comment @mawit07, I am glad this is useful. Even for the lower APRs it is still pretty good.

Wow you put a lot of time and effort in to this. I was wondering the same thing so I'm very happy I found this post.

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Thank you very much @cdemon for your comment and recognizing that a post like that takes a lot of times.

thank you for your hard work. i will delegate when i will have 1000 sp

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Thank you @steemero for your comment and I am glad that the post can help you decide where to delegate. You don't need to wait 1000 SP, you can start right now with 10 SP. It's what I do, I start small and every couple of days I add more to my delegation. It gives it a kind of compound effect.

Thanks for taking the time to collect all of this information, Michel!

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I am glad that it is useful @jo3potato. That was a bit overwhelming, especially for the bot that has several payouts per day!

Bots are also bidding to upvote this post:)

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@autofreak, thank you for commenting.

And what about using that stake to self vote
instead, granting you full flexibility? Since we are talking about maximization of stake here.

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I agree about your summary point one @eonwarped, don't use bots for profit, but exposure. Point to, I don't know how my 10 cents self vote can give me the same exposure, so I don't upvote myself, upvote all the comments on my posts and use bid bots.

Are you sure about those numbers? How recent was this?
http://isteemd.com/
Is Isteemd working.
You can also delegate to humans for a set ROI
https://www.minnowbooster.net/market?direction=asc&sort=effective_price
I'll probably be lucky if I can get down to 30% ROI using minnowbooster delegations but ideally I would "only" like to pay out a 25% set APR.

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Thank you @mysearchisover for your comment. Yes, I am sure about the data that was collected on June 2, 18. I spent enough time to make sure the calculations are accurate. Thank you for mentioning that there are other options and that might encourages someone to do a case study on them.

You handle yourself quite genuinely, there's a lot to be said for that. You addressed concerns and took out what others may seen as bias, kudos to you. Everything is a learning curve, a process so I appreciate a straight player.

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Thank you very much for your comment and kind words @sunlit7. This is the most difficult post I have written on Steemit.

Thanks @gmichelbkk for sharing such important informations about Steem Delegations to Bots. I am also thinking about this a couple of days ago but did not know about full procedure and info. now i get guideline and updates from your article and get a chance for this offer.

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Thank you @rabeel for your comment and letting me know that it is useful because it took a lot of time to research an write.

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@gmichelbkk, I am glad that you got Reward of your Hardworking and Research. How can I contact to @jerrybanfield for delegation.

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There is also THIS TOOL for delegating.

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Thank you very much for showing us another possibility @fbslo.

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You can also use command like:
I want to delegate 100 SP to @juliawilliams (an example:)

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Hi @cardboard! Special squad of highly trained hamsters prepared this delegation link for you:
steemconnect 100.0 SP delegation to @juliawilliams.

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Thank you sir for your kind ❤️

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This is very useful @cardboard and something I have to try doing more often. I want to delegate 1000 SP to @gmichelbkk (an example:)

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Hi @gmichelbkk! Special squad of highly trained hamsters prepared this delegation link for you:
steemconnect 1000.0 SP delegation to @gmichelbkk.

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This works perfectly, thank you for showing us an easy way to delegate.

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The best is to use this tool: https://helloacm.com/tools/steemit/sp-delegate-form/
Just enter your username, the username of the bot you want to delegate to and amount of SP. You may want to read my post about it: https://steemit.com/steemit/@gmichelbkk/how-to-delegate-steem-power-easily

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I don't understand why people are supporting this scam of upvote bot. In simple word I explain I pay 1sbd to a upvoting bot, the bot give me a upvote of value of 1.8USD or maybe less. Than after a week it take 25% curation reward. So when the payout comes to me, i get way less than the value of transfered sbd. What kind of fraud is this going on I paying for upvote and still getting less than my actual value of my transfered sbd. The bot are already getting curation reward for there upvotes but they still asking to pay for there upvotes. Upvote other for free will not damage such high SP but they're still charging sbd and steem for there upvotes. People are more idoits that they are supporting such a scam were they don't even earn anything instead of that they are continuously delegating there SP. The big STEEMIAN like @jerrybenfield and @joeparys are talk making steemit a better platform and on there side they charged sbd and steem to give there prescious upvote any stupid content just for the sake of few sbd. Whole bots upvote system is based on lie and fraud and the new steemians with high SP investment are getting trapped in it. Plz all STEEMIAN open your eyes and support each to make this platform more connctive and efficient instead of wasting your valuable sbd, steem and Steem power to these fraud and scammy upvote bots

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Because you don't understand the math and how the blockchain works, doesn't make something a fraud.

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I agree @whatsup, thank you.

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Have I said blockchain a fraud. I said the whole upvote bot thing is a fraud because they charged money for There upvotes. Show to people that they are upvote 200% more than what you have paid to them.but when you do maths which I think you don't even know basic maths. At the time of pay out and deduct the curation reward from the final payout you are left with way less than what you have paid. And this upvote bot made whole system corrupt because of you have high number of sbd in your account you can easily buy upvotes from these bot for any crap and lame content you post. Instead of that bot should upvote only good content free of charge if this happen that how steemit become better place or it will remain a platform for those who can post only crap and pay high number of sbd for upvotes

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Thank you for your comment @changingworld. You are using bots for the wrong reasons. Using bots is a way to advertise your posts so they are seen by a bigger audience. Your posts consequently get more rewards and people who upvote them, curate them, get more curation rewards than they would have not promoting the post.

What you want is to pay for advertising, get your post advertised and then get your advertising money back and more. I don't know of a place that can do that, certainly not Facebook ads.

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Because upvote bots are not for printing SBD but for promoting the post. Have you seen a company that lets you buy an ad on TV and then pays you back more than you paid?:)

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Dude there a big difference between tv commerical and social media. We are not selling any products here. People are sharing feeling, experience and knowledge through these platforms Have you ever seen this of thing on YouTube and Facebook were you pay others to watch there videos if it's true then videos like Gangnam style and despacito have become popular because they promoted it well and big vlogger like pewdiepie earn more 50 million subscribers buy pay millions doller to YouTube . It means on steemit you can promote any crap by pay few extra bucks wow you guys will evolve this platform to death by doing so.

This comment section right now

is on faya !!

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Yes it is @itstime... I have trouble keeping up with all the comments as I want to respond to all of them!

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I like your zen filled responses....

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Thank you very much @itstime.

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drug of choice before responding to comments ?

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Thanks for the link , the smoothie looked delicious

I will share my secret as well....

https://steemit.com/teamaustralia/@itstime/persimmon-tomato-apparently

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Thank you for sharing your secret with me, I read, commented and upvoted the post.

Very helpful post. Thank you.

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I am glad you like it.

Very thorough analysis. I had been hoping to see something like this myself like many others have said. Even after being here 6 weeks, I still don't fully understand the voting bots and how they end up paying out to a point where it seems hardly worth using them. On the surface, it seems like there is a real science to it in order to be profitable though. I'd love to figure that out. This is a great analysis for when you want to delegate though. It is hard to beat some the returns you speak of just by delegation even with posting and being active every day unless someone has a different secret they can tell me that can increase my account value by 30% more often than in a year without feeding it. Thank you.

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Thank you @inspire1 for commenting and I am glad that it is useful for you. I wanted to see the data by myself and it's why I did it because as you said bots are complicated.

Thanks, now we know in which order to hang the effigies!

Getting rewards not voted to you because the community liked your content invalidates proof of brain.
There is no question that at some point the community will terminate the cancer that is vote selling.

Now we have the data of who needs to make the most amends to be allowed back into the community.

If the commnity refuses to vote your content, its an f'n clue.
Buying rewards is not going to improve your standing in any community except the brown nosers playing the bidbot game.

Take this clue.
Stop abusing the pool by hiring bullies to take rewards for you, put out good content, be socialable, and when the time comes you will be on the right side of the backlash.

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Yes exactly right! I have yet to pay to play. They havent gotten on cent off me and they arent going to anytime soon.

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Thank you for commenting @old-guy-photos.

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The time is coming, we just need our own developers to write the code, stinc loves the scammers.

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It's a sad state of affairs indeed. Who would have thought Steemit would degenerate into this, and people being enthousiastic about it? Oh well.

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It is sad. Yet. I am happy to say I have never paid a penny for a vote. I am still here, although not very big, I am still having fun!

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Everybody is enthusiastic in the beginning, that newness will wear off, and then they will want our approval.

Once we get control of the platform from the schemers it will be up to us to exact reparations from them.

Until we get developers to write the code, the schemers continue to control the platform.
Hopefully, we get control back before stinc runs out of bigger fools and the coin is poisoned in the minds of the masses as a scam.

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Thank you very much for your comment @freebornangel and giving us your opinion about bid bots.

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Its too bad the bullies have forced pay to play on us, i would have added you to my steemvoter, you have some good content.

As it is, ive followed you, but your payouts are larger than i vote on.
Its pretty rare to get me to vote a post with more than 2sbd.

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Thanks again for commenting.

Thanks @gmichelbkk, its really an amazing research, it has really given me an insight into steem bots. This is indeed a one miliion dollar research, I'd say you deserve a grammy. Its time ti apply your research, thanks a lot

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Thank you very much @youngerudite for the comment and the Grammy! I am glad this is useful because it gave me a few headaches along the way.

@gmichelbkk I vote for @jerrybanfield as a witness that you tell me. I love him very much and he is the best supporter of steemit. I also encouraged by him that's why I always support him.. thanks for sharing such a research on steem bot. stay live.. best of luck

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Thank you @steemvive for your comment. I am glad that you like the post.

I don't have enough steem to even consider delegating yet, but this is an interesting topic to think about anyway.

I wonder if it would be more reasonable to support many smaller bitbots instead of one of the big ones. One would have to make calculations there too, but maybe there are some that can yield even better unexpected results.

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@paparodin, thank you for your comment and I agree that there might be hidden gems. This might be a good case study to do after I see how this one was received.

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I will keep an eye out for that then.

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Well, looking at this post and the comment section, I make a wild guess and say that this post ended up being a rousing success.

It's funny how writing about bots which end up making comment sections on this platform much less entering ended up making a big topic for this comment section.

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Thank you @paparodin for your comment. Making a post like this will make some people happy and some people unhappy, but I presented my process and calculations so anyone can check and see by themselves.

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Let them be happy or unhappy. As long as they can't ignore you and pay attention to what you have to offer, all is great.

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You have recieved a free upvote from minnowpond, Send 0.1 -> 2 SBD with your post url as the memo to recieve an upvote from up to 100 accounts!

Thank you @gmichelbkk for sharing this information and for take the time for the explanation about bots.

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I am glad that this is useful for you @xondie. Thank you for commenting.

I'm new to Steemit and today I tried an Up-Voting Bot and it worked!
Cheers Michel Gerard my luver!

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Thank you very much @westcountryclegg for the comment and sharing with us your first try with voting bots. When you bid always go to https://steembottracker.com/ first to see the status of bids.

This post has received a 58.54 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @jerrybanfieldroi.

Thanks for the in-depth research! I've been delegating my newly bought STEEM power to @jerrybanfield. I haven't researched much because I want to get into the game quickly. I just followed your delegation because I trust your judgement on STEEM things. Afterwards my research just verified that it was a good choice :D

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Thank you @zhuwa for your comment and I am glad that my post helped you to make a choice. Good that you also did your research and I am glad that it confirms some of the data here. Anyone can so this for themselves using the same calculations I showed here.

You made a tremendous efforts for collecting all of this data you have shown us today. I think @jerrybanfield bot is the most used so it doesn't have any idle time so it is also the most profitable bot. You have a gifted talent on reading numbers and statistics. Thank you for making this

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Thank you very much @hiroyamagishi for your kind comment. I made the effort because this is something I wanted to know for myself and this was a good opportunity to share it with you all. I don't know which bot is the most used, there are also bots we can't delegate to and don't know the APR for their owners, there are smaller bots that might be interesting too.

U can delegate to alfanso bid bot. It gives minimum ROI to bidder of 5%.

And it does not discriminate by maintaining blacklists or whitelists.

Bot that maintain blacklists are actually never return the bid of blacklisted authors and that is cheating.

Alfanso believes in complete freedom.

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Thank you @prameshtyagi for your comment and giving us your opinion about bid bots and how blacklists and whitelists can promote discrimination. I understand what you say because some authors are blacklisted just on the basis that the blacklister do not understand the language it is written in, and concludes that it is abuse.

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Thank u for your understanding

Thank you dear @gmichelbkk for the detailed explanation about bots. I want to read everything again tomorrow.

Thank you also that you have taken a lot of time, calculated some, so that I have now easier, thanks

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Thank you @jaklassen for your kind comment. I am glad it is useful for you and you ca take some time to digest the information and also do some of the calculations yourself.

Thanks Michel for sharing a valuable information.It will give us a lot of benefits

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I am glad that this is useful for you @tanveerali. This encourages me to write more posts like this one.

You got a 2.65% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @gmichelbkk!

Want to promote your posts too? Check out the Steem Bot Tracker website for more info. If you would like to support the development of @postpromoter and the bot tracker please vote for @yabapmatt for witness!

2500 SP to jerry? but you only delegated 200 SP or why undelegate it ifJerry rate is high?

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@joele, thank you for noticing this. I un-delegated to buy the new SMT, which has been cancelled and I am going to build back my delegation back to where it was and more. What I currently delegate now is not relevant with the results of the study.

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The new SMT? There are no SMTs. Zero. The code hasn’t been written or released yet.

And you want people to take your glowing review of Jerry and his bots seriously?

We will be able to make better choice

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@teenovision, thank you for your comment and I am glad this is useful.

It's great to read your post, I read all your posts, much to learn from your post, much to know, I hope you are looking forward to such a beautiful post from you, you go forward, we are always with you, steemit A big flat platform! All our favorite sites, we all are here to build careers, since I am new here, so I want to help you with all of your help! Your! Hope you can get all the help you need on steemit, if you like, if you like, you can also improve yourself steemit! Thank you for posting a good post.

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Thank you very much @mdselim98 for your kind comment. Feedback like yours encourages me to take the time to write useful posts like this one.

Very dep study you did on the value investing and the winner is my favourite @jerrybanfield because he is the man attracted so many Indians and I think so many around the world to this amazing platform.
I will set my witness to him for sure.

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Thank you very much @juliawilliams for your kind comment.

This post received upvote from @tipU :) | @gmichelbkk now has a chance to win free @steembasicincome share :) | For vote buyers | For investors.

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Thank you @tipu. I admit I have a thing for you!

Great article @gmichelbkk, I appreciate you taking the time to show us where you got the info from and how you did the calcs.

Note also that some bots are compensating for the tumble in price plus the reduced SBD print rate recently that has left bid bots under voting substantially. Where I was expecting 10% more than even over the last couple of weeks I received as low as -20% less than even. An over valuation by the bid bots of over 30%

This may account for the lower ROI on some bots. Eg I believe @therealwolf added a buffer in last week so payouts to bot investors may be less than usual. Those bot owners who didn't compensate will make higher returns for their investors.

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Thank you very much for your kind comment and explaining about the lower ROI because of the current price situation. The data was collected on 2 June for the previous 7 days, so this might be different now.

Wow amazing post, great research and report put together.

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Thank you very much for your kind feedback @saltycat. This is what makes me want to write more.

Amazing article and very eye opening, thanks for sharing! Can't wait to see what you write next.

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Thank you very much @pheonixdown-dee for your kind words. I already have a new post published today on another topic.

Interesting amalysis to bring the clear picture ....@jerrybanfield bot still active..??.i think it was closed. As per last announcement

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Thank you @steemflow for your comment. Yes, the bot is re-started because it seems that it is what everyone wanted.

The timing of this post is interesting to say the least. All this bad press about Jerry and all of a sudden a post appears claiming that he has the most profitable bot and we should all make him a top 10 witness.

How much did he pay you to create this post?

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Thank you @mazzle for reminding me that I was very slow writing this post because I started it on second June and just published it. This is indeed the post that gave me the most work in research and presenting facts, usually I am faster.

I am not paid writing posts on Steemit on different subjects and you can do your own research and calculation. I don't claim anything, I show the results of what I found out.

Great post full of detailed information @gmichelbkk upped and resteemed so I can read more and come back to it for reference and of course great information for more steemians to see!👍👍👍💕

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Thank you very much @karenmckersie for your kind comment and nice image.

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This post has received a 54.21 % upvote from @boomerang.

Congratulations @gmichelbkk!
Your post was mentioned in the Steemit Hit Parade in the following categories:

  • Comments - Ranked 7 with 138 comments
  • Pending payout - Ranked 4 with $ 820,39
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Thank you very much @arcange. A post being mention is always pleasurable.

This is really interesting. Can/will you do the same to show where one can buy upvotes with profit maximization?

When did you do the jerrybanfield test? I just checked, but atm you have only delegated 203 SP.

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@crypto-econom1st, thank you for your comment and suggestion. I collected all data on June 2, 18 when I had the amount mentioned. I have undelegated to buy into the new smart token, but as it was cancelled, I have still to delegate back,which I will do soon.

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I suggest that you do the calculation again. Since your calculation was only based on 1 example you always have a big possibility to get an outcome that differs from the average. My feeling says you were really lucky to end up with 35% APR. My assumption is that for the long term it should be more or less close to 25% at maximum.

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No thank you @crypto-econom1st, no more calculations, I ivite readers to do their own now.

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Alright fair enough. Let me see if I have time to digg into it.

Btw, did you notice the negative news about @jerrybanfield lately?

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I am not interested to participate or watch anyone being stoned on line.

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I'm not totally sure if I understand this correctly. But if I do I agree that it is a good thing that if we all talk bad about someone, that you and I don't necessarily need to talk bad about that person our selves. That means we could be bad our selves as we watch other people throwing the stones and we don't act to stop it.

In this case you still support @jerrybanfield as witness. So I would say you try to do something about the fact that other people talk bad about Jerrybanfield. So I see that correct?

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Thank you @crypto-econom1st for asking clarification. What I want to say is that I stay away from all negativity including people talking bad of myself, my friends or any other person. I think this is just the worst of human behavior and does not bring any good anywhere in anything. That's why I do not listen to the news and watch TV as I don't want to know about how the last movie start or president is thrown in the mud to make and feed a story. Yes, I still and always will support @jerrybanfield as a witness and anything he does because contrary to what some people want us to believe he is genuinely a kind, honest and generous person. I do not try to do anything against attackers because in a way bad publicity is still publicity, and they don't deserve my time. You will have to read this comment fast before it's downvoted!

respected steemit's,kindly follow me to know about fresh and interesting topics ! thankyou