Voting Declaration

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

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This post is about how I intend to use the extent of my voting power concerning my own posts to shift rewards to would-be curators.
Surprising even myself, I am including upvote buying services in the mix.

Crashing pause.

Wait. What? For those that care to keep track of my position on upvote buying (that’s like 0-1 of you out there, because it’s probably buried in some obscure comment on the innumerable bot discussions out there), you would know that upvote buying is something I was completely against. Did something change?

I was trying to remember why I hated them so much, until today when I watched a bid bot in action on Bot Tracker, clicked into one of the voted posts, and saw a very lonely post whose only comments were the comments left by bid bots. The post itself? Predictably trash. And that’s by my relatively low trash standards. Made quite a pretty penny too.

My original reasoning for why it was bad was simply that Steemit is about curation, and a community deciding how to value posts. Who are we to decide the quality of our own posts, or whether our posts deserve to be rewarded? But actually thinking again, the whole point is that the allocation is dependent on one’s stake in the platform. Self voting, and voting bots, are just an extension of that. I don’t 100% believe that though. There should be some accountability for ourselves and the bots to weed out trash and encourage interaction, but eh, beyond the scope of this post.

The First Drops

Come to think of it, I've always used self voting (not on comments) without even thinking about it. The default option simply made sense. As you'll see by the end of the post, I am tweaking this behavior slightly.

I can remember the first juicy drops of the vote bots. I joined @qurator. A one time membership fee and light auto voting requirements gave you a daily vote. I liked the promise of its curation project and its vetting of members. I met some interesting people as well. It could probably use more member interaction though, and maybe the occasional re-vetting.

Shortly after they had @qustodian, a member-only post promotion bot. I like their fairness system with an allocated vote quota that could be spread out so you did not have to necessarily be forced to make one post a day to take full advantage of it. I started to use this as well, telling myself, “well they qurate so… ok.”

Bots, Bots, Bots...

But after that, using a voting bot just felt natural. The gateway drugs... Occasionally I used the bot to vote posts of others that I wanted to support as well. Extending my say in the rewards pool by buying the stake of a bot account.

I recently started to use @minnowbooster, which behaves similarly to @qustodian. It gives good returns, and does not leave such an unsightly comment (leaves a hidden one).

Now I'm exploring the whole menu. The Bot Tracker shows a good list, and explains how they work and suggests how best to use them.

Shout out specifically to @buildawhale which has a curation aspect to it as well.

Voting Strategy (TL/DR)

I like human community interaction, and to that end I've joined several groups that encourage participation. More on that in a future post, but you'll see some of that in the comments below (Hi all of you!). So I have a strategy to reward even this participation!

Instead of using self voting power immediately on publishing a post, I want to increase rewards to the curators of my posts. So at around the 6th day after publishing a post, I will be placing my self vote and my bought votes on my post.

Just a little extra thank you for my dear supporters.

This strategy obviously does not help put the post in hot or trending. But I want that to happen if it actually is getting attention from people, not bots.

That being said, don't vote my posts if you don't like them, obviously. I won't be going full retard on these services. The resulting curation reward is not likely to be significant anyway. I do like to interact with comments and reward what I can on that front though.

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Even if it's required or not I'd still upvote this. I've been reading your posts and have come to know you well.
As far as bots are concerned, I have my shares of disappointments in them. So far, the one I'm sticking with is Moonbot since they've been a great contributor when I started. Then I like the people there.

I'd love to see how your experiment goes. Would love to hear your thoughts about it.

I was going to mention moonbot actually but figured it might have started to derail my discussion. I might join now if they had open slots.

Though probably its companion service @bumper is more in alignment with my plan.

Funny you mention @bumper, i've been pretty happy with that service. You do have to be patient though, it takes a while. @ironshield

Be very careful with the bid bots - a lot of people have lost a lot of money on them because they're oversubscribed, including some that you've mentioned in your post.

Could you elaborate a bit? Are you referring to the whale wars by any chance? True for minnow booster as well?

Either way, I don't plan on dumping a lot of money in this.

I've written a few posts about this. You can check out the most recent one to see screenshots of people losing SBD (probably without knowing it).

I haven't read your suggestion, I'd like to check it out.

I'm not a big fan of what I call "bribe-a-bots". They artificially curate posts based on "donation", rather than quality content ultimately only serving the bot owners and delegator. Big upvotes go to those with the biggest budget, rather than to those who actually put forth good content.

My idea for the "bribe-a-bots" is for posts to pass a HUMAN curation audit first (according to predefined parameters) before having the bid be included. This will allow for bigger payouts for good quality posts and refunds for the garbage posters. The criteria doesn't even need to be extremely high, but divide between authors that put forth genuine effort vs lazy and plagiarized content.

Bot owners would loose business, but they would also LEGITIMIZE their business for the long term. The steemit community and development team will correct for this at some point and the paid-for bot upvotes on garbage posts PROBLEM will be solved. @ironshield

This is of course a good idea, and at least qurator vets users first.

I agree with what you are saying, but it's kind of the fundamental problem steem has already: larger stake = larger rewards. Maybe the problem is that the influence is linear in the amount of stake you have... Maybe it should follow a sublinear model...

As long as the market makes this profitable the problem remains. I'm taking the stance that I can use this to push rewards around differently. Compared to whales and abusers I doubt it's much of an impact though.

In your opinion, my friend Eon, what are the absolutely best to use voting bots out there?

I'm partial to MinnowBooster so far since it has been reliable and they seem to have an impressive suite of tools. I'm still exploring, so I don't really know what my experience will be for the other ones, especially those bid bots.

MinnowBooster gets you the stealthgoat message. some others do the same thing and you avoid getting the message.

Hmm, more food for thought. Considering a bot mainly because I can't use Steemit daily and I want to put by vote power to use for people who I know post quality content that'll I'll probably read later. Any suggestions which?

Keep in mind, my focus here was just about vote buying bots, not auto-voters, which I actually don't mind much. It's up to you to keep tabs on our auto-votes and rescind them from anyone that you find not deserving of them.

I use steemvoter.com for that, and I think there are a few others but I don't have them off the top of my head.

I used to upvote every one of my comments before one of the hard forks , but now it is just the occasional one that I think someone has put a lot of thought into. I think it is ok to use to bots to get a little kickstart. One of my secret weapons is @make-a-whale, but they only open their doors to new people every so often.

@make-a-whale sounds pretty nice. I think I may have heard of them back when my SP is low. Will be keeping tabs on them.

I like the stance you've taken here. I myself was kind of the opposite. Iused to use bid bots when I first started but have scaled way back, rarely using them now. I believe everyone should have the right to use them, just not to abuse them. For minnows a few dollars can make a big difference but when people are bidding $50-100 that is just ridiculous and needs to be stopped

Yeah, same here. I tried to learn how to use them and really worked them as best I could when I first started out, but ultimately I came here for the interaction with humans - not bots! So I stopped using them and joined groups which encourage participation (for example @thesteemengine), which I'm finding to be much more fulfilling.

Ack. I realized that was one of the main points of making this post and for some reason I took it out. Thank you for reminding me, and I've revised to show it.

That's an unusual stance, but I think a potentially really good one! Just watch it with the bot deadlines- some stop upvoting at a certain point in the process.

Found your post via @thesteemengine, by the way.

That's a good reminder, thanks for the heads up!

That sounds like a balanced approach! I am really new here and have often wondered if these groups were legit. I like the organic approach to getting traction but a little boost at first cant hurt! To me, its more rewarding to build relationships and genuine connections to other steemians and get upvotes, comments, and resteems from THOSE interactions.

Oh yes, most definitely. Although in this case I'm not boosting it initially with a bot. The communities I'm in do help that going though.

To each their own is my opinion, if you can make it work for you that is great. Someday I may figure out a system for myself and implement it as well.

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