Steemit Suggestions and Rationale. I hope that this will make people think their own thoughts.

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

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Overview and Principles

OVERVIEW

I am a fan of steemit.com and I do what I can to make positive suggestions. They are not always right. I freely admit that. They do, however, come from a place that is of positive intent.

This post is not a prescription and there may well be a lot which is either implausible and/or unfeasible with the technology. It is written to outline a view of the future which can extend and thrive.

When thinking of steemit it reminds me of the American asking for directions in Ireland: “Well, I certainly wouldn’t be starting from here!”

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There would be little point in my scribing things such as this if I were a member of the many thousands of detractors out there who want to see steemit.com fail.

Since the launch of steemit it has declined as a place in which to experience human interaction and the atmosphere right now is verging upon toxic.

If steemit.com is to thrive it needs to look at itself in the light of humanity, not in the light of the Blockchain. I admire the Cryptocurrency specialists and I admire computer whizz-kids. A person with either of these capabilities and/or depths of knowledge does not render them qualified to be in charge of a successful social media platform. It is more likely to be a hindrance.

If steemit.com is to thrive, it should be attractive to users without the Blockchain. The rewards should be put to one side when assessing steemit in terms of being a user-friendly medium which subscribers will see as appealing.

If you say “But steemit is blockchain centred”, then you are missing the point. You should turn it around and say “how can the blockchain be more steemit-centric.

Technology is designed to serve, not be served.

PRINCIPLES

Principle 1. Steemit is untenable as a concept in the real world. The existence of well over 100,000 times value differential between people is a non-starter. The profiteering of anyone off the work of another will be seen as worse than the feudal system.

Principle 2. Social Media is a medium which comprises social communication. It does not comprise faceless, automated profit gatherers.

Principle 3. Hierarchy should be recognised through merit. That merit system should be seen to be equitable and achievable to a non-steemian.

Principle 4. Rogue behaviour should be mutable. If a user (A) of Social Media opts to behave in a manner which one dislikes, the ability of another user (B) to quarantine any actions of that user A should be possible. This is in stark contrast to censorship.
User A may see the activity of user B but have no impact upon B and vice-versa.

Principle 5. The hierarchy holds the keys to the protocols. Should any protocol be proven to be contrary to the common interests of the platform, that protocol should be instantly reviewed or removed. Users may not have equal stake but are assumed to provide equal input of labour. Protocols which purely serve the hierarchy are, hence, going to fall. This is a protection for hierarchy and owners, by the way!

Ownership has its rewards; it also carries responsibilities.

Principle 6. Decentralisation characterises Blockchain technology. Decentralisation of ownership and influence is mandatory in order for the benefits of decentralisation to be realised.

SUGGESTIONS AND RATIONALES

Some of these suggestions carry aspects which are inter-dependent or dependent upon other protocols.

Suggestion 1.

Redesign the rewards pool such that 60% of the rewards pool is distributed upon a one person one vote, all equal. 75% authors, 25% curators, as now.

In Total:
45% Authors
15% Curators
6% Witnesses
10% R&D and Marketing
20% - distributed according to a linear measurement of SP only
[Please note that a net distribution from a company of that magnitude, especially when under a year old, is HUGE).

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There needs to be a recognition not just of ownership but also of contributors who build value. Both are important. The reliance upon SP as the sole power of stake has caused the current fiasco.

At present there is NO recognition of the builders of value.

Hence, the rewards pool needs to shift towards this recognition.

The SP Holders distribution will drop a few % per month of straight SP pro rata distribution and distribute that proportion on the basis of Reputation, being a measure of net votes, as recorded over a 12 month period.

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The SP Distribution will drop down to a base of 10% of the rewards pool, leaving 10% of the rewards pool distributable to the builders of value over the previous 12 month period. A meritocracy will be created, providing everyone with four areas of recognition and income.

Suggestion 1. Rationale. A user’s post should have equal opportunity in the forum. It should have equal opportunity to be recognised for the value of its content.

Long-term users should be recognised for their commitment to the platform and they can build their own stake weight through accumulation of recognition of content contribution.

SP (stake weight) is apportioned daily, as is and is expressed in SP.

Through natural broadening of the ownership of steemit, the rewards will be distributed, to begin with, much as now, recognising the current stakeholders. As time moves on the distribution of rewards will become more based upon reward for input and contribution, as well as ownership.

Without putting numbers to it, the distribution will change as follows (the areas beneath the line in each instance having the same value):

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Top whales' Income without doing a thing:

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Please bear in mind that only two of these whales parted with money to gain this ownership. There needs to be a separate and compensating realignment for investors. Should anyone suggest that they cannot survive upon that, my response to them will be: fine, but you have to repay all the losses you have caused through your behaviour since 15th July. Steemit is NOT about income, it is about building value.

Suggestion 2.

Steemit requires decentralisation of influence via decentralisation of ownership. It needs about 500 whales, rather than the current 20 or 25 which truly ‘matter’. In the light of redistribution, whales should be permitted to sell their SP at a 25% discount to steemians and non-steemians alike.

Only SP may be sold. It should be sold in parcels of $1000 value. There should be no compulsory selling. Applications for purchase to be made to Steemit Inc.. Sales to be made from any account which agrees to sell on a ranking basis, starting with the biggest accounts and working down the SP ownership register as at a given date. This should be limited to the top 10 whales for rounds one and top 15 for round 2, top twenty for round and so forth.

No liquid steem may be sold under this system – to permit this is to put downwards pressure upon the price of steem.

Any SP purchased through this mechanism is to have a new name. This SP is to be ring-fenced for a period of 18 months to 2 years but it carries full SP stake weight.

Suggestion 2. Rationale. The redistribution of influence is critical to the ability of steemit to attract new users.
It is also critical to the positive outlook for the value of steem.

Decentralisation, increased subscribers and fair rewards distribution is the trinity of steemit success and the path to steem value.

The $1000 parcel size is to attract all investors and to create a multiple sale. If there is a $500 parcel size requirement or even $250, this could be handled on an ad hoc basis.

At 8 cents, (6 cents inc. discount) $1,000 will get you 16,666 SP.

Suggestion 3.

Outsource witnessing.

Suggestion 3. Rationale. Having witnesses who are the major stakeholders represents a clear conflict of interest. The provision of witness services is crucial to the blockchain functionality and can be performed by a great number of facilities. PWC, Ernst & Young are a couple of possibles. It will also save the platform money and will provide even greater transparency. There is a built-in redundancy factor as well.

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Suggestion 4.

Accounts. All users should have one account only. This is social media. You are not two people; you are one person.
At present the system tries to inhibit the establishment of more than one account, though it is well known that there are those who hold tens and hundreds of accounts. To what purpose?

Exceptions will apply:

  1. Contests
  2. Aggregated content
  3. Steemit Announcements
  4. Guilds (needs to be defined)
  5. Niche Organisations
  6. There will be others

Suggestion 4. Rationale.

The rationale for this is that steemit is Social Media.
Holding of multiple accounts and using them for the purpose of pure profiteering is contrary to any ethos of Social Media. There are those who use different accounts for different aspects to their Social Media content. There will need to be a consensus. I cannot see any just cause to hold more than five accounts.

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The holding of multiple accounts can only be for the following reasons:

  1. Strategic Down-voting/Flagging
  2. Profiteering via the transfer of stake into a bot account
  3. Creation of non-transparent activities
  4. Management of steemit activities as outlined above
  5. Multiple characterisations of blogging activity

Of these, only number 5 can be considered ‘socially acceptable’.

Suggestion 5.

Voting should be limited to 20 votes.
How many posts do you/could you read per day?

There should be 20 votes per person per day and, if your vote value is less than, say, $0.05, you may have up to 5 double votes per day, leaving you with 10 singles.

Minimum vote strength for everyone is 50% (25% on comments).

Suggestion 5. Rationale. The plethora of indiscriminate votes flying around leads to conflict. Herd voting does not reflect upon the quality of content, it reflects upon a lust for gain.

If Greed is your motivator, Social Media is not the place to express yourself.

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Steemit will thrive based upon mutual respect and self-management via a system of equality. Sure, there will always be issues but the issues will be less systematic and more identifiable on a case by case basis.

High voting numbers with little or no effect is causing a gang warfare mentality with the 1% and 0.5% and 0.06% voting behaviours. As has been said before:

“you would not treat a beggar on the street with such disdain, why treat a fellow steemian thus?”

POSTSCRIPT

There are many issues which I have not addressed, notably:

  1. In the future, all posts should be max 50/50 steem/SP because we will want to encourage subscribers to utilise their steem in the ‘steem economy’ to come.
  2. The metrics by which social media is valued will say that the adoption of such ideas adds value to the platform and hence steem.
  3. The concept of regarding a comment as a post – if there were a mechanic to do this I would support it under certain conditions. Sometimes a comment is a two word response; sometimes there are very considered and valuable contributions worth more than much of the C&P drivel posts we see all too often.
  4. Niches via Geography, Interest, Sub-tags, post feed control/filtering, post storage.
  5. Steem dollars sem to be redundant. However, there is an application for the category of currency in the interaction with the fiat economy.
  6. On platform links to exchanges would make sense.
  7. DM and VOIP are obvious.
  8. STEEM ON

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I wish your folks really read the article.

We had 3 curators read it. Each found the suggestions in the article interesting and reached consensus to give an upvote.

Best if the other 200 people who upvoted will read it as well.

i agree. and some do.

Would really like for you to visit us in SteemTrail so you can take a look at how we conduct business. We can go over our process which starts with post selection, and can walk you through how a post receives an upvote.

Why should people vote without reading? Curation rewards? Bots?

Sadly, they vote without reading because the system virtually forces them to do so. The system revolves around Game Theory rather than Social Media, something which needs to be impressed upon IT people.

I really wish that you, @abit, would answer the questions, or are you looking at the abyss? You might be a person of power, behaving like a bull in a china shop makes you like a bully. Rather than reply with 'no, it cannot be done', explain why. It is a simple case of changing the logarithms to me. The distributions are done like this already. So ... why can't it be done and how could it be done or are you destined for Darwinian folklore?

@timcliff said all I wanted to say.

As a leader in this organisation, your responsibilities are bigger than you are giving them credit for. If that is your response, then you are both wrong! I wrote a message to you in steemit.chat - why do we not work together? It seems that we have to be at war - I don't want war - I want a future for the whole platform - Q1. There is no advantage in multiple accounts under my proposal - explain why you think there is - voting? If you are found to have multiple accounts without just cause and permission, you forfeit-simple. Whilst on the subject, why do you let noganoo have 200 accounts whilst mere mortals are impeded from having 2? Q2. It is a simple transaction. Adding to liquidity puts downwards pressure on the steem price. My proposal makes steem less liquid. Q3. Outsourcing of witnesses is an obvious step in the right direction. How can you defend a function being run by stakeholders? There is a clear conflict of interest. If you are so adamant to defend the status quo, why? Let's make it cheaper and more transparent. Q4. This is social media. It has been a bit of fun in the sun for the Game Theorists - time for them to stand aside and stop making money off other people's content. The heart and soul of steemit is the content creators. Whales are profiteering off that to a multiple which, if they knew would send an army of minnows to EAT every whale. Q5. It is Social Media. You have not addressed any one of these points properly - not ONE. WHY?
PS, I not that you did not address the rewards pool distribution - why?

Hi @ebryans - thanks for taking the time to put all these thoughts together. A few things in reply.

  1. Unfortunately there is no way to implement this where it will not be abused. If users get more power for having multiple accounts, they will split their one big account into several little ones.
  2. Implementing this at the blockchain level has it's challanges, but many users are already doing this type of transaction "off chain". One thing to keep in mind though is that if a user buy SP directly from a user at a 25% discount, that is still taking buying pressure (demand) away from liquid STEEM - which puts a downward pressure on the price. If you assume that the same user would have bought liquid STEEM if the price dropped 25%, then this demonstrates how the demand is gone. One alternative that has been discussed is the idea of allowing users with SP to power down instantly at a 25% (or higher) rate, which would basically be paying the network by reducing the supply.
  3. I disagree. Having witnesses who have a major stake in the platform is generally good, because you want the witnesses to care about the success of the platform. In the few scenarios where there are decisions that have to be made that are not in the best interest of 'stakeholders', regardless of whether a witness themselves holds a lot of stake - it is important to keep the interests of the major stakeholders in mind. To disregard the interests of the major stakeholders (regardless of how they earned their stake) sets a very bad precedent. Why would any future investors want to buy into the platform if their interests will be disregarded 'for the good of the platform'?
  4. It is not possible to do this with the technology that Steemit is built on. Multiple accounts are going to be a reality that we have to accept and adapt to. There is no way to prevent it.
  5. I agree.

Many thanks @timcliff on all accounts!
May I go point by point:

  1. There is no benefit in a multi-account approach under the system of rewards put forward. The graph is flat.
  2. I am proposing a system whereby there is less liquidity than there is and so there can be NO downwards pressure on the value of steem - unlike the current scenario where there is more and more liquid steem every day on account of what the whales are doing, notably steemit!
  3. If witnesses are truly independent of their interests in the platform, they should welcome such a move. Witnessing is functional. It should no have a policy mandate. There is no disregard for anyone through outsourcing. It just ensures NO conflict of interest. To argue against this suggests that there are practices which DO adversely affect the platform.
  4. I did leave latitude within this point and thee are certain situations which do require extra usernames. The need for more than 5, as I outlined, is untenable. Thee are ways and means of ensuring compliance. There are ways and means of trying to cheat. The current photo system is good, though it I know can be cheated. If this is Social Media, it needs to start looking like it!
  5. Thank you!
    As I said in my opening lines, it is not a prescription but it is one hell of a sight better than the current dog's breakfast!

@timcliff's reply explained well.
We know it's better if we have something, but some of them are just impossible to be done at current stage.

That colored swirl image you have modified to incorporate the Steemit logo in the center is not correctly attributed to you. It's actually a painting called Black Hole by Fabian Oefner. You could argue fair use, but in my opinion you are violating copyright ownership of a great yet relatively unknown artist here.

I actually recognized it because I'm a fan of the band Dawn of Midi, who have permission to use it in black and white on the cover art for their debut album.

@personz, I very much appreciate your alertness - it was an image I played with when putting graphics ideas together for steemnews.online - I shall change the attribution straight away and I thank you again. I am not a plagiarist, I assure you!! Namaste. Upped and followed.

That's good but it's not enough. I'm going to leave it at this but you can take it as given that unless you have explicit permission to use an image, in the form of a license or written permission, you are not permitted to use it. Attribution is enough only as permitted by license. There is no such license for this unless I'm mistaken.

Again fair call, I shall just remove it. I apologise, I was in the midst of a very full-on discussion and wanted to tidy things up. Give it a minute and it will be gone!
Much appreciated.

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My grasp of economics is far better than my grasp of cryptocurrencies. Is voting somehow necessary for cryptocurrencies? Or did Steemit just decide that voting would somehow add value to the process?

From the purely economic perspective, here's how Steemit should work. Say I put $5 dollars into my digital wallet. Then I'd decide exactly how many pennies to spend on your article. If I decide to spend 25 pennies on your article, then a quarter would be automatically withdrawn from my digital wallet and deposited into yours. The value of your article would increase by a quarter. We'd be able to sort articles by their value.

With this system, writers are rewarded for producing valuable articles.

With Steemit's current system... writers are rewarded for producing popular articles. As far as I can tell, the more votes an article receives, the more money it gets. The logical but unfortunate result is that there's a surplus of superficial articles and a shortage of substantial articles.

Hi there and welcome. It looks like you have just arrived judging by the 25 Rep score.
You are right in principle but the system is "stake-weighted" and the people who started off this time last year managed to 'mine' an awful lot of the stake available amongst very few people.
The rewards curve is, in effect, an exponential curve as the relative power increases as one's ownership of Steem Power increases, creating a scenario whereby very few hold the power and this has been shared amongst them selves to the extent that 98% of all rewards have gone to less than 4% of all the accounts on the platform.
As an economist, you would see that decentralisation is necessary. It is in fact going the other way or static at best.
Following you. Ask anything about the platform should you need anything.
Namaste.

Thanks for the welcome but I've been here for 7 months. Initially I participated a decent amount but the quality of the interactions wasn't high enough for me to stick around.

Medium.com just launched a subscription option. You can pay $5 dollars a month and receive some perks. Interestingly enough, all the revenue will be routed to the most valuable writers. Unfortunately, the value of a writer is determined by how many "votes" (recommendations) their stories receive. So I posted this story... Medium Is The New Steemit.

I got curious and clicked my bookmark for Steemit's recent economic articles and found yours. It was pretty substantial so figured I'd try and pick your brain on the topic.

To be honest I don't quite grasp the economic necessity of "mining" a "stake". It doesn't seem to serve any real or necessary economic function. And by this I mean that it doesn't seem to facilitate mutually beneficial trades.

More often than not there is this incredible disconnect between technology and economics. Whoever founded Steemit probably has a great grasp of technology but they definitely have a terrible grasp of economics. Which is to be somewhat expected given that society is based on a division of labor. However, it's exceedingly unfortunate that the founders of Steemit didn't seek the advice of a moderately decent economist.

Then again, you shouldn't really need to be a moderately decent economist to understand how and why a flea market works. It's just a central place for buyers and sellers to make mutually beneficial exchanges. Steemit should simply be a central place for readers and writers to make mutually beneficial exchanges. Instead, it's mostly rigmarole. It's not easy or straightforward to use money to communicate our valuation of articles.

My new friend Markus is super into cryptocurrencies (CCs). He's designing a virtual community based on a CC and shared his design ideas with me. Unsurprisingly, there was also the weird mix of voting (democracy) and spending (markets). I shared my thoughts on how voting should be entirely replaced with spending. He seemed super receptive. In any case, it's only a matter of time before a CC community is created that's based on solid economics. I just wish that it will happen sooner rather than later. If you happen to run across such a community, or know of people interested in developing a new community, please let me know!

Bookmarked this and will read more carefully

Awesome post. I do not agree with every suggestion you make (only 20 votes? I read a lot more!) but I like the principles inspiring you.
In particular this SP distribution with this quadratic curve for voting power is really anti-social IMO. Also put some kind of limit to bots is good idea.

Nice post. I really like the 20 post limit, the new less than 50 percent vote and the ability to have a double vote (they almost did this a while back) they were going to limit you to 5 full votes per day but we're scared from the outcry. These will fix the bot issue.

I do think they should not have linear voting they should have a formula between that and the current formula.

They definitely need 500 whales.

Great post.

Thank you @dennygalindo, I hear you on the linear vs formula. The approach I have taken is to look down the track and adopt a system which is sustainable. The current HF17 ideas are so incomprehensible to a mere mortal. The proof of this is that when you ask what is the difference, they cannot answer the question. Ipso Facto! It is a smokescreen. Followed!

I can see Mr. @ebryans has put a lot of time, thought, and work into this. This is NOT a bot. Just so we are clear. I agree that Steemit is a social platform for humans and not bots. As far as profiteering, well that is part of human nature. I hate to admit that! It will come down to this and is just MY suggestion...

"If we ALL humans can stop from being TOO greedy, everyone can have their FAIR slice of the pie."

Frank

Wow thanks @ebryans for putting this all together and for your continued support on my posts also thanks @timcliff for the detailed response.

Man thanks @simonjay, yes it did take a while. Much of it was in my head but it all needed to be thought through again and some amendments were needed and I am quite sure that there will be further amendments. The concepts have been discussed with @abit who has been more than generous with his time and there will be a follow-up post reflecting this. I am no techy but I am familiar with Social Media platforms. One of the really important things with media is this: media is NOT an income play, it is a value play. Impressing this upon people who are not market people is crucial!

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