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RE: [STEEMGIG] Riddle Me This: Where are Vests Born? And, When do Vests become Valuable to the Community?

in #steemgigs7 years ago

oh my word! I'm currently headache impaired. Largely from looking at this discussion and the links you've provided and the links I've found and ... I've lost the reply attempts twice ... due to headache brain.

I found a very interesting set of articles that should help with the shares ... I think, maybe. They're in my history. I'll find them again tomorrow.

While the distribution methodologies may have changed from the white papers, there's distribution philosophies that most likely have not changed.

I'm more than a little frustrated with the narrow mindedness of the "don't self upvote" religion. Yes.

And I'm running out of hope for the HennyPennys of Steemit who are convinced the sky is falling. No? The swamp is draining? Oh yeah! They're convinced the reward pool can be drained empty.

Moreover, they totally don't get how not self upvoting is failing to be generous and falling to generate STEEM and falling to improve the value of STEEM.

If you're confused, go back and slowly read the last @dragosroua article you linked to. He rushed the ending. But he's made several of the links. https://steemit.com/steemit/@dragosroua/why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-draining-the-reward-pool

And more ... well tomorrow's another day.

At this point, I'm inclined to transfer the 4SBD to you just based on your determination.

The problem is, while I may not be entirely correct, neither are you.

There is very definitely lingo issues. And perspective issues.

And opaque documentation issues are working against us all.

If you're not opposed, I'd like to continue tomorrow.

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We can try.
I know I would like a clearer understanding of how all this works.

This is very good news. Now for the bad news. I forgot today is Friday and I spend most of Friday getting ready for Shabbat (Sabbath). And then Sunday we've made plans with friends, and @mitchmiester sort of kind of has Monday and Tuesday off. So sort of kind of we're celebrating our 18th wedding anniversary. (He's on call before a software roll-out which technically means I'll probably have time for reading.)

And. I'm going to try to go ahead and transfer the $4SBD today. Small confession. I've never done this sort of thing before. It always sounds straightforward and easy. We'll see how this goes.

I've been mulling over where to go from here. First off, we still don't know how vests are born. If they aren't born until Steem Power is handed over ... then why are they clearly listed in steemd.com as reward vests and implied as "funding shares"(see first two lines below) ...

total_vesting_fund_steem
182,281,238.881 STEEM
total_vesting_shares
376,414,685,484.165108 VESTS
...
pending_rewarded_vesting_shares
258,704,509.051197 VESTS
pending_rewarded_vesting_steem
125,092.275 STEEM

Basically, are we looking at a chicken and egg thing here? Does STEEM come first, then assigned a vest value, and then the vests become the rshare, and then the rshares are used to track the true, non-fluctuating value of an upvote ... and then based on the total rshares, are SP and SBD calculated? ... I think I just felt more brain cells fry

Plus I have to dig around in my history and find that set of articles that mentioned the rshare word. hopefully they're there. I lost track when my cell phone died ... we're not talking about how many signs and signals I ignored before it died. At least it loves recharges. Anyway. I'm fairly certain that's something for today's list. I'll post links.

AND then I want to go back and look at the basically triple jeopardy that was set up around the upvoting system in the white pages lol paper. They were doing their best to not favor the very people everyone is so freaked out about favoring. So I dunno.

What about this has gotten your imagination and curiosity piqued?

Well, the transfer worked. Thank you very much.

Well, from what I thought I understood, was that the system just generated STEEM into the pool at an ongoing rate. Since I couldn't figure out how to be a miner to create the STEEM, then I had to assume that there is only 1 real miner and that is the system. I'm going to start another tread.

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