Response to comment on article 'Christianity is a Deathcult' by @balticbadger
I wrote a response to @daznez on this article here by @balticbadger
It became so extensive and long, I wanted to make it's own post.
@daznez 's comment I am responding to in this post is this (in relation to a debate about proof of Jesus' existence) -
what about the gospels lol? how many exist now?
do you want some writings from before Jesus' life too? try the books of daniel and isaiah for a start.
everybody dies, and everybody lives again once for Sonship or judgement (your decision, as you well know.)
i've answered the other point with my long comment below, agree completely with this : 'The issue here is with collective Christianity twisting Bible verse and demanding blood.'
don't forget the radical muslims are doing the same thing.
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Here is my response:
What about the gospels lol? how many exist now?
Well officially, there are a lot more 'gospels' than are in the modern bible. The current bible is a selection of available texts by a King James, thus the King James version.
The current gospels were chosen for continuity. Though all of them were taken from the same place. So let me put it more simply. We have this huge collection of 'sacred texts' that authority at the time decided some of them were more accurate to history and some of them were not. The texts were decided according to the continuity of religious belief to create a more solid christianity.
This is confirmation that christianity itself is a fabrication, whether it is a fabrication based on a simpler original real story (Jesus as just a revolutionary for example) or whether it is a fabrication based on a fantasy, makes no difference. It's still a fabrication and deliberate editing of history for political purposes.
And many Christians use the excuse that King James was ordained by god and that he preserved the truth for them. The truth is that whatever he chose then, is what you'd be reading now and believing now. Beliefs are repetitions of knowledge that creates habits. This attached to symbols creates emotionally charged superstition. This winds its way into nationalism and we have culture.
Collectively we have the power to create our reality on a mind level.
Numerous Gods and even singular versions like the Christian one have been created throughout history in an attempt to control it. The millennium we live in today is no different to other millennia people have lived in before.
We have been duped.
The truth that is real, is that your life essence, focused with intent creates reality. Here we are, repeating old belief systems, manifesting them to be real, when we can focus our energies on creating anything.
Another point of note is that using a single source to prove itself is invalid. You cannot say that, well, the gospels exist, therefore Jesus existed. No I wrote a story the other day, and it doesn't suddenly mean there is a fish in the sky. We cannot say that the bible is real and true because the bible says so. This is a conditioned response.
The fact that all recorded history of the existence of Jesus was written AFTER his birth and death and most of it, WELL AFTER, is a major discrepancy in scholarly records.
'Jesus' lived in a period of history where even shopping lists of non-major rulers were recorded, AT THE TIME THEY HAPPENED.
This means that the serious event of someone as significant as Jesus having no recorded documents at the time of his life and death, indicates a major deviation in normal record taking. Someone somewhere at the time of Jesus life and death would have recorded something.. anything even.. good or bad about this amazing man!
You might now say this is a conspiracy.
don't forget the radical muslims are doing the same thing.
You are correct. However, the news has been heavily distorted in western media in favor of nationalist Christian perspective.
I have travelled in Turkey in the last couple of years and many people said it was dangerous and I should not go. I was fine. There are problems there yes, but it's a big country. There's beautiful people there.
I have a friend from Antakya who says there is an islamic sect there that allows women not to wear head gear and alcohol is consumed by muslims.
Did you know that there are wineries in Syria?
The mass manipulation of the public perspective by the media is a reality.
Yes, there has been blood spilt by muslims. We can discuss that too. But here we are talking about Christians, and their accountability.
We have many written records (recorded at the time of happening) of Christian crusades throughout history where one choice has been given, believe or die.
Luckily, in this current period of time, my life is not at threat to speak up about the contradictions inherent in Christianity or the latest nationally endorsed belief system.
I am not trying to take away from your love of Jesus and your personal relationship with him. If we are to all get along, keep your panacea for you. But don’t try to spread it as though it is only answer to everything. But the bible has told you to do just that. To me, any book that has been through the hands of a king and tells me to spread the word to every nation, tongue and people – is a major indication of a fabricated recipe for world domination. Look at the Englist empire, just look at it.
Many times people have fallen to the bottom of the barrel including myself and found solutions that aren't inline with objective reality – belief systems, whether it be about aliens on some planet somewhere or of Jesus and the belief in the ineffable word of God as the bible. The bottom of the barrel is the best place to find converts because: if you make them believe when they have nothing, and they slowly get lifted out of their depressed state, they will believe that what you have given them (a community) is what God has provided and therefore transfer their belief in their recovery onto an unending dependence on God.
Christianity and other religions prey on the weak.
But having said this, humanity needs a kick up the backside to get it to do things for other people, it may as well be religion goading them to help other people. The general public have little respect for the sacred. I lived in a forest squat south of London in 2014 and discovered this: that removing all the rules and removing all that is sacred does not make utopia. I even built a temple and held an eclipse ceremony. Whether I believed in what I was doing or not is irrelevant. I discovered a way to reawaken a sincerity and respect in people that had lost their way in a religion bolstered society that abuses these concepts. They needed a symbol, a reference point, by which to find other things sacred and to take care of their brothers and sisters living in the forest. This has taught me a great deal of human nature and has given me a real time model of the origins of religion. See my blog at the time.
There is truth in all of us, this truth makes us live, some of us have attached it to a belief system and some have taken it a step further and have decided that their belief system is what makes their truth.
This is the contradiction of killing in the name of God.
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'What about the gospels lol? how many exist now?
Well officially, there are a lot more 'gospels' than are in the modern bible. The current bible is a selection of available texts by a King James, thus the King James version.'
well done for taking the point sideways.
how many copies of the four canonical gospels exist? they must have been written and hand-copied at the time, yet you don't believe those witness accounts, nor any of the non-scriptural references?
but you do believe homer & plato wrote the iliad and the republic?
how many copies of those works exist?
and again, your answer belies the influence of the zeitgeist movie, which has permeated into modern atheist-mystery philosophy - 'oh how can we know that all of the gnostic gospels aren't truth as well?'
because they contradict what the rest of the bible says, in a way the four do not, but they in fact harmonise with it. paul also warns us about gnosticism (also related to subjectivism and 'there is no absolute truth, man' non sense.)
you are determined not to see, nothing more i can do - maybe one or two readers will have more open and searching minds than yours.
good luck :-)
Those 'eye witness accounts' can not be accountable, because they were not recorded at the time of his life and death.
You make many assumptions with what I write.
I'm quite sure your only concern is in being right.
My primary concern is in genuine inquiry.
This means I forego my opinions and my beliefs for a moment and I genuinely take on what someone has said and then decide after weighing with my experience, if it fits in my picture.
I'm afraid these words are for you. Isn't it obvious we are our own keys for our own locks.
I didn't take it sideways, your need to say that I have taken it sideways as an excuse to avoid this very valid point, it what is taking it sideways.
We can not be certain what of the bible is 'authentic' or fabricated.
There are truths in there for sure, just like there are in any religion. But to use the gospels as infallible proof jesus existed is not a good argument.
Good luck, in finding your proof.
It's not about finding 'proof' it's about your personal relationship with Jesus. If that is good for you, and that makes you a happy person, living a good life. Then great. I'm happy for you.
Regardless of if there is 'proof', your beliefs create your reality.
I actually wonder if you read any more than the first few lines. There's a lot in this article. Please, read it.
'Those 'eye witness accounts' can not be accountable, because they were not recorded at the time of his life and death.'
so no historian should be trusted?
the mental games you will go to ..
as i said, good luck sir :-)
They were not historians. I am not playing mental games. Another accusation on your part.
You refuse to look at what's in front of you. Beliefs blind us.
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