Yeah, the post was so poorly written I didn't know what the idea is/was or if I was missing something.
I still have no idea if this is just "signaling".
But who brought undiscussed Softforks and false signals to the chain. Regardless of whether or not you think it is reasonable. A violation of trust took place and now it seems to be a reoccuring theme.
It's amazing to me, even now after all this, that people still think soft fork 0.22.2 was unjustified.
Have you been paying attention at all or are you blinded by your own bias? Justin Sun, from day 1, was a massive threat to Steem. The ridiculous AMA, the posts about moving everything to Tron, the lack of communication of intentions, the activities on Tron voting community tokens that same week... when sf22.2 was deployed, the voters DID respond. They voted out Tim because they supported the actions. Witnesses wrote their own posts explaining their actions and asking people to decide with their vote while also asking Justin to communicate. He responded THE SAME DAY without any malice or concern in his post, happy to have a town hall weeks later. Turns out he only wanted those weeks so he could coordinate taking over the chain completely using exchange funds.
Whatsup, at some point I hope you realize you're on the wrong side of history if you support what Justin did to Steem and still think those who deployed sf22.2 or moved to Hive were doing anything other than protecting the original value Steem created: the community.
This is yet another stunningly stupid move that took place on Steem. The escalation of emotionally driven actions seems to know no bounds.
It was petty, vengeful and dangerous. In addition, these very witnesses had vowed not to tamper with anyone's stake. (Isn't it beyond ridiculous that even had to be said)
If you take the back story out and look at the situation without bias, it is literally the same code, prohibiting the same actions, deployed on different actors.
I was told by our expert witnesses, some of the best in Graphene, that it was fully appropriate for the top witnesses to drop any code and others can choose whether or not to adopt it.
Using your version of events if Justin was a threat to Steem, prior to Hive it would also be fair to say that Steem witnesses were a threat to Steem/Justin's version after Hive. It's either "just code" and can be manipulated through the unemotional, non-judgemental "code is law" view. Or it is a story of who is right and wrong, which will always has two sides and is based on perspective.
It is clear that the current deployment of DPOS has massive security issues, recent history shows us getting a handful of people to agree to drop code turns out to be much easier than Dan had originally thought.
Based on results: to invest in a DPOS system one first determine if the major stakeholders are "good or bad" and if they only need to control 20% to have a majority and be a threat seems like it would take constant diligence in a shifting market space to know if one's investment is safe.
With all that being said, yes this was a dick move and does seem to validate that TRON MAN BAD, but having to determine what the motives/values of other stakeholders are was never why I wanted to get into crypto.
well not really, because literally the exact group of witnesses that are already running this soft fork code all published witness statements swearing they would never run code to freeze people's funds. It is not an idiotic question at all. Each of these witnesses made the identical statement, here is one of them for example (zzan.witness) https://steempeak.com/witness-category/@zzan.witnesses/make-an-entrance-steemzzan-witness
And the important quote from these witness posts:
We will NEVER involve nor confirm any action or code that could freeze or limit the stake of anybody on the Steem blockchain.
We will strive for community development.
We will strive for the development of the Steem blockchain or Steem service.
The caps emphasis is theirs, I did not add that. Literally every single one of the witnesses who are already running this softfork threatening to freeze funds, made that statement promising they would never run code to freeze funds LOL.
did you ever thought about that you and your witnesses freeze also accounts form the steemit users who is not in line the so called HIVE-AND-OLD-WITNESS-OPINION, so stop doing the old mistakes again, sit back and think about what happend first, and who did first things that is not in line with the rules ;)
actually even the accounts excluded from the HIVE airfork were not frozen from other actions, which this soft fork does. Excluding an account from an airdrop of a new token, is not even close to the same thing as freezing an account that had bought Steem as personal user.
First of all, withholding an account value that everyone gets, whether it's called Airdrop or whatever, is stealing! Please keep in mind that I worked and invested for my steem balance. And now my balance together with the ninja stake can be found on the account which I have zero access to and influence, what is that?
secondly, if freezing Sun's stake from you was ok, then what Sun is doing now is ok too.
He's not doing anything different than what you've been doing.
There is only a little difference, he does it after you did it to him before, and you did it without any real reason. So you forced him to react.
@whatsup, any thoughts?
Yeah, the post was so poorly written I didn't know what the idea is/was or if I was missing something.
I still have no idea if this is just "signaling".
But who brought undiscussed Softforks and false signals to the chain. Regardless of whether or not you think it is reasonable. A violation of trust took place and now it seems to be a reoccuring theme.
LOL my god woman.. when will you wake the fuck up?
It's amazing to me, even now after all this, that people still think soft fork 0.22.2 was unjustified.
Have you been paying attention at all or are you blinded by your own bias? Justin Sun, from day 1, was a massive threat to Steem. The ridiculous AMA, the posts about moving everything to Tron, the lack of communication of intentions, the activities on Tron voting community tokens that same week... when sf22.2 was deployed, the voters DID respond. They voted out Tim because they supported the actions. Witnesses wrote their own posts explaining their actions and asking people to decide with their vote while also asking Justin to communicate. He responded THE SAME DAY without any malice or concern in his post, happy to have a town hall weeks later. Turns out he only wanted those weeks so he could coordinate taking over the chain completely using exchange funds.
Whatsup, at some point I hope you realize you're on the wrong side of history if you support what Justin did to Steem and still think those who deployed sf22.2 or moved to Hive were doing anything other than protecting the original value Steem created: the community.
SHUT UP!
Hi Luke,
This is yet another stunningly stupid move that took place on Steem. The escalation of emotionally driven actions seems to know no bounds.
It was petty, vengeful and dangerous. In addition, these very witnesses had vowed not to tamper with anyone's stake. (Isn't it beyond ridiculous that even had to be said)
If you take the back story out and look at the situation without bias, it is literally the same code, prohibiting the same actions, deployed on different actors.
I was told by our expert witnesses, some of the best in Graphene, that it was fully appropriate for the top witnesses to drop any code and others can choose whether or not to adopt it.
Using your version of events if Justin was a threat to Steem, prior to Hive it would also be fair to say that Steem witnesses were a threat to Steem/Justin's version after Hive. It's either "just code" and can be manipulated through the unemotional, non-judgemental "code is law" view. Or it is a story of who is right and wrong, which will always has two sides and is based on perspective.
It is clear that the current deployment of DPOS has massive security issues, recent history shows us getting a handful of people to agree to drop code turns out to be much easier than Dan had originally thought.
Based on results: to invest in a DPOS system one first determine if the major stakeholders are "good or bad" and if they only need to control 20% to have a majority and be a threat seems like it would take constant diligence in a shifting market space to know if one's investment is safe.
With all that being said, yes this was a dick move and does seem to validate that TRON MAN BAD, but having to determine what the motives/values of other stakeholders are was never why I wanted to get into crypto.
You should probably stop posting for a while now. Everything you said in these last few weeks has been
Would be probably smart if you pulled an Exyle and gone silent for a while.
Who promised they would never freeze people's funds? ;)
That's an idiotic question.
well not really, because literally the exact group of witnesses that are already running this soft fork code all published witness statements swearing they would never run code to freeze people's funds. It is not an idiotic question at all. Each of these witnesses made the identical statement, here is one of them for example (zzan.witness) https://steempeak.com/witness-category/@zzan.witnesses/make-an-entrance-steemzzan-witness
And the important quote from these witness posts:
The caps emphasis is theirs, I did not add that. Literally every single one of the witnesses who are already running this softfork threatening to freeze funds, made that statement promising they would never run code to freeze funds LOL.
Agreed, outrageous and ridiculous behavior a huge violation
did you ever thought about that you and your witnesses freeze also accounts form the steemit users who is not in line the so called HIVE-AND-OLD-WITNESS-OPINION, so stop doing the old mistakes again, sit back and think about what happend first, and who did first things that is not in line with the rules ;)
actually even the accounts excluded from the HIVE airfork were not frozen from other actions, which this soft fork does. Excluding an account from an airdrop of a new token, is not even close to the same thing as freezing an account that had bought Steem as personal user.
First of all, withholding an account value that everyone gets, whether it's called Airdrop or whatever, is stealing! Please keep in mind that I worked and invested for my steem balance. And now my balance together with the ninja stake can be found on the account which I have zero access to and influence, what is that?
secondly, if freezing Sun's stake from you was ok, then what Sun is doing now is ok too.
He's not doing anything different than what you've been doing.
There is only a little difference, he does it after you did it to him before, and you did it without any real reason. So you forced him to react.
Because we all know Sun said that witnesses should promise to never freeze funds
Actually it’s not.. as all of them did to get Justin’s vote. 🤔
Do you understand now that there's no middle ground in a revolution?
😂