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RE: Reminder: Steem absolutely and completely violates GDPR and European privacy laws

in #steem6 years ago (edited)

While the blockchain data is public information, none of that information was collected surreptitiously, all of it was stated publicly by the individuals concerned (or culpable individuals, and the blockchain data is proof of their crime), who intended it to be stored on a decentralized, permanent blockchain that is publicly auditable.

The EU is in the wrong. Should Steemit become a safe space for every fantastic hallucination of fascist tyrannies? No. It should not.

While I understand your concern, and caution to witnesses (and presumably folks that host an RPC node) this is not a problem Steemit needs to solve, nor is it a problem Steemit can solve.

The EU is imploding. The UK voted to leave the EU long ago, and are being essentially enslaved by an illegitimate government in that union, which is infiltrating thousands of agents provocateur to harass them and sexually abuse their children, and renditioning civilians who dare to report it. While the news today is about the egregious crimes of the UK against it's people, Austria, Sweden, Germany, France and the rest of the West in Europe are facing the same repression and tyranny.

This is a problem the people of Europe need to solve.

Steemit may be part of that solution, frankly, as long as it democratizes access to public information. I have noted for some time that not only are government agencies surveilling us through ostensibly private companies like Fakebook, Goolag, and Twatter, but that they are keeping that information from the people it pertains to. Worse, sites, posts, and information are being deleted from the net.

Sites like the Wayback Machine, and Archive.is are not only in danger, they are going to fail. The EU is trying to establish complete control over what information is available to their subjects. This cannot be permitted, or there will be no free people, only chattel.

Steemit is the solution to that problem. The right to be forgotten doesn't exist. It's a false claim, an abnegation of reality, that is no mercy to those whose drunk posts embarrass them. Once data is released into the wild, there it remains. The attempt to foist such repression on the people of nations subject to those tyrannies will have to be thrown off by those people, or they will have no need of Steemit in the cells they are allowed by their masters.

Not every revolution is only noticed in retrospect. Sometimes you have to spit in your palms and hoist the black flag. If Steemit doesn't remain uncensorable, it will be useless.

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Steemit.com is going to comply with GDPR. Indeed, Steemit has remove a lot of content on the site in the past, responding to DMCA notices etc. Maybe you should use a different app on the Steem blockchain since your political rant makes it clear you don't agree with the regulation. While you are at it, you may want to edit all references to "Steemit" in your post to "Steem".

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Good point about Steem/Steemit. Thanks! I often forget to note the difference as the only interaction I have with Steem is Steemit.

If Steemit has a mechanism in place to remove content already, problem solved.

As to the rest of your rant about public information being public, where's the problem?

Is there a problem in your view with the public having access to public information?

If Steemit morphs into some lapdog of tyranny, don't worry, I'll be gone.

The problem is not solved as the infringing data is still held in the Steem blockchain. Privacy is a human right, there's no distinction between "private" data and "public" data, and like all human rights privacy is timeless. I.e. by foregoing your privacy today doesn't mean you don't have the right to privacy in the future.

I understand that you see the above distinction, but the law is the law. If you don't like the law, I would recommend you protest in appropriate forum.

Ah, the distinction was not clear, and both you and @carlgnash assume I should know that if Steemit removes content, they don't do so by hardforking and removing the infringing data from the blockchain.

I would have assumed this was necessary to satisfy DMCA.

But, a mechanism does exist to remove data from the blockchain.

It's called a hardfork.

That's the whole point of my initial rant. (As well as previous rants over the last two years) There needs to be a defined, transparent system implemented that responds to DMCA, GDPR etc. Something like witnesses review and approve amendments, and it leads to thousands of microforks. But the system has to be robust enough so everyone's on the right chain at all times etc.

(I'm not a developer - I'm sure they will come up with a better solution.)

you are again missing the distinction between "Steem" and "Steemit". Steemit has a mechanism in place to remove content, as in steemit.com. One website. One website not displaying content that is on the blockchain, is different than a way to remove that content from the Steem blockchain.

Even if every web front end for Steem in the world didn't display illegal content, that content would still exist in the servers of the witnesses. It has to - the witness server has to have the whole blockchain. There is no current mechanism to remove data from a block once it has been produced.

"If Steemit has a mechanism in place to remove content already, problem solved."

Is what I said.

"Steemit has a mechanism in place to remove content, as in steemit.com."

Is what you said to correct me.

'sup?

You are still missing it. Steemit.com having a method in place to remove content does not mean the content is removed from the steem blockchain. The entire point of liberosist's post is that the witnesses who run servers, which hold the blockchain, are still in possession of illegal material even if steemit.com has removed it (meaning, is not displaying it) from one website. The content has not been removed from steem. steemit does not equal steem

I have grasped my failure to understand that @liberosist's statement that Steemit complied with DMCA takedowns by removing content did not mean they removed it from the blockchain, which I assumed was what he meant by 'removed'.

Data can be removed from the blockchain, as I pointed out in my last reply to @liberosist, with a hardfork.

Thanks for clarifying for me =)

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