You call yourself a curator?

in #steem5 years ago

Been a few long days, weeks and months of late - but that is just the way it is sometimes. I was talking to my brother today about various things as we usually do and then was thinking about all the stuff that I have bought in my life that had very little life and depreciated heavily, quickly. I wonder what my financial situation would be if I had spent the last 20 years using even 10 percent of what I have wasted to invest into something that appreciated in value.

The argument is of course that "we should enjoy ourselves" in life but I believe that this is leveraged to get people hooked into a scarcity mindset that says, "enjoy now because tomorrow you may not be able to" and as a consequence of people not investing much today into growth for tomorrow, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Money isn't everything and isn't even required for happiness in most things yet, not having it in a world that requires it for much of what we do - makes it difficult to enjoy life, especially if one must continually push in order to afford basics.

Move into the forest somewhere and live off the grid? I don't think people realize that that in itself is a luxury item. Imagine if everyone on earth who could drive owned a car - imagine if everyone on earth chose to live off the grid. I remember hearing some silly factoid like, if everyone in China who could drive owned a car, they would need a carpark the size of France. Imagine 7 billion people living off grid - I don't think logistically the life of a hunter gatherer culture would be sustainable at this point, however disease and violence over resources would likely cull the populations pretty quickly.

I don't think the "Walking Dead" life is one I would be overly successful in, nor would I really want to live in that kind of world. Some might like the fantasy of it and I know a few who speak fondly of it, then complain when the grocery store doesn't have their favorite cheese. Fantasy is something that we all live in, regardless how right we might think we are or feel. At the end of the day, there are far too many factors to calculate and far too many unknowns that can't be factored in, which makes the confidence in certainty just a game of probability. Sometimes they pan out, sometimes not.

I am predicting certain behaviors from the community after HF21, I am predicting certain behaviors from myself. I am more confident in my own than others of course as I can control my behaviors. As I have said, other than taking back some active stake, not much is likely to change in the arrival of the hardfork because I want to see how the environment changes before I make any major shifts. The active stake is so I can downvote of course, let's see where that leads. My prediction is that it is going to lead to drama.

Drama is good. There is a relatively well known point with social media that the more angry people get, the more time they spend on a site. Time on Site is a metric used for marketing purposes and it is why the social medias look to generate some drama, look to polarize and poke groups to charge them up against another. Sex doesn't sell anywhere near as well as drama these days, which is probably why millennial have less sex than their parents did - weird considering Tinder exists. People satisfy their cravings online rather than between the sheets?

I am not a big fan of drama itself but then, if people want to attract attention to Steem there really is no better way than to create some drama and commotion so people will see what all the fuss is about. Any publicity is good publicity is probably still a truism of sorts if curated well.

Ever looked up the meaning of curated?

Google:

selected, organized, and presented using professional or expert knowledge.

Etymology online:

"overseer, manager, guardian"

Sounds like a paying job - not an algorithm - doesn't it?

Imagine being the curator of a museum and having artists come in and hang their work how and wherever they liked - What would you do? Steem isn't a museum however and the artists can present their work however they like, it is up to the community to actually curate.

Expert knowledge? Well, that is really only likely in niche communities where people who are enthusiasts and interested hang out as they are really the only ones who may have the actual knowledge to back it up. But when it comes to art, anyone can have an opinion, positive or negative and when each is an "overseer, manager, guardian" curating the content, management of it is making sure that what is worthy is not cluttered by what is not.

But of course, most people aren't actually curators on Steem other than wanting to earn from the work of curation without actually doing the overseeing, management or guarding roles. Some of course curate what they like, but forget the other side of the job. Curation is subjective of course but no gallery I know of worth a damn is going to hang pictures from any artist on their walls without curating them first to make sure that the art meets whatever standards the gallery has set. Each individual has standards of course too, each individual has a different set.

This is why to work out what is actually supported by the community it requires positive and negative curation because as a group, that which is supported will get more positive than negative. Algorithms can fake this of course, so can marketing teams for example, ever thought about how a song debuts at number one in the charts?

At least before Spotify, what happens is that the chart is driven by sales of the album and the record company "sells" to the distributors masses of the album under the provision that whatever doesn't sell they will take back and refund or offer credit on. When I worked in a CD store in about 2000 - the boxes of crap singles and albums I had to ship back or mark for destruction was incredible. Debut at number one....

See, it is not possible because no one curated it before the debut, no one had an opinion, no one had heard it, no one knew anything about it at all. Yet, because it sat there on display at number one, it got some attention and perhaps piqued interest, but if it didn't gain traction and actually sell, it plummeted out of the charts. Currently, Steem allows for promotion that gives a profit, so not only does it get into the eye line, it makes money regardless. Well, unless it is actually curated. If it is worthy, it will make more profits. If not? Well... it gets boxed up and sent packing for a loss.

The thing on Steem is that people don't like to be confrontational and would much rather have everything curated for them. This already happens of course on centralized social media sites that curate their feeds for their own benefits and, take a hefty salary for the work they do. Yes, people might like those feeds much better but if one is looking to earn on a job called curation, curation needs to be performed.

Up until the coming hardfork there has been no direct benefit to do half of the curation job meaning that the gallery has got very messy indeed with a great deal of content getting "sold" without anyone even seeing it. The coming changes at least close the gap somewhat and bring in the potential for loss where if someone wants to risk pushing their song to number one and the community doesn't think it deserves the position, no profit and likely a loss can be made.

Will people actually do their job? Depends on the person's ethics really but anyone claiming to be a curator and there for the quality content creators, are not doing their job if they are not overseeing, managing and guarding the content creators and content they deem worthy. If a curator at the Louvre allowed graffiti artists to tag over the masterpieces hanging on the walls, you'd likely agree that the curator hasn't done a very good job of looking after the gallery, or the work it contains.

So are you a Curator? I think we are going to see after HF21 how many people will have to change what they call themselves if they don't do the job they claim is so important to them, and the content creators they support.

Taraz
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!dramatoken

Yes, it is true but also people take a negative look at drama

Drama just represents passion, strong feelings and engagement.

I was just thinking this morning how cold Steem feels now.

The code is law group have pushed out most normal functioning humans.

The first thing they teach you at business school...

If you want to make money, be good at people. People control money and emotions control humans, even those who think that isn't true.

Every human action is preceded by a thought which sends biochemical reactions to our bodies. We label this sensation as feelings, but they flow through every cell in our body. Everyone who thinks they are unimpacted is just uneducated.

There is no understanding of this chemical process which has been studied in anyone here making decisions. :)

If you want to make money, be good at people. People control money and emotions control humans, even those who think that isn't true.

I agree. The Drama is going to be a good thing in many ways, just like it has been in the past where people came together over it. The emotions help people dig in. Sometimes it is not a great reaction, sometimes it is a revolution for the better.

Living in the middle of nowhere is far more wasteful than living in a building in the middle of a city. In the city, they can truck in the food for everyone, or better yet, bring it in by train, produce the power for everyone efficiently. You can live in a building where the heating is done efficiently for everyone at once.

We need to start building more buildings that are more efficient, that recycle heat waste heat, compost the entire building's organic waste, recycle everything, for real, have gardens to grow for the local people, locally, solar on every roof, wind power that doesn't go so fast it kills birds, just for efficiency, etc, etc.

As far as curation...we also need to build more efficient buildings. Voting as curation does not work. It might work a bit more...if there wasn't so much noise from utter shit being upvoted and bidbots. But everyone likes different things. There would still be shit in Trending, even without bidbots. We need people to build tools that don't rely on just votes for curation.

Not to mention, "curation" today is not fucking curation. What it is is being paid for voting, if you hold a fuckton of Steem. If you don't hold a lot of Steem, even if you are the one to discover a post and share it around and be responsible for actually curating it, you don't get shit.

I agree with the efficiency of cities, and collections of groups of people - even two people living together is more efficient than one. more arguments though ;)

We need people to build tools that don't rely on just votes for curation.

This is for the frontends I think, the inflation pool rape shouldn't happen on the Steem pool.

If you don't hold a lot of Steem, even if you are the one to discover a post and share it around and be responsible for actually curating it, you don't get shit.

Depends. @ocd pays their curators, so does @curie I believe. @acidyo at least has made it somewhat of a job and I am guessing that some of the people who do it well enough get paid more in SP than I do curating with my stake. I don't know the actual pay though.

Yes, we need tools that pay normal users in percentages of curation for finding awesome posts. If you aren't involved with those small curation efforts, you get nothing, even if you point them towards those amazing posts. This whole place is built on this false premise that stake can curate. Now we have to build tools to fix this broken mess.

Any publicity is good publicity I guess. Question is what sorta drama could one attract to this platform that'll make it go viral

virality in crypto? it'll never happen. ;D

So much drama in the horizon yet I have zero dRAMA tokens :(

Maybe I should've not been avoiding it.

@dramatoken might find you, especially when you hitchhike to SF4 :D

Lol, I wish, but I already booked the plane tickets.

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It's always inteteresting to pause and review what these words actually mean!

Hopefully 50-50 will be a more effective way of getting us all to take a bit more responsibilty over what we vote for.

I still find it odd that curation basically boils down to voting, and because of that I don't think on Steem mainframe experts are ever really going to play a major role in curation.

In what are now being called 'tribes' (clever marketing that, good choice of word) then hopefully they will.

I did have a crack at curie to try and broaden my curation - too much effort - I'd rather stick with my clique and let new people find me.

Does that make me bad curator?

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I still find it odd that curation basically boils down to voting, and because of that I don't think on Steem mainframe experts are ever really going to play a major role in curation.

I don't think so either but, hopefully they build the applications so those who do have the skill and will can flex.

I did have a crack at curie to try and broaden my curation - too much effort - I'd rather stick with my clique and let new people find me.

I think if you were a new account, this wouldn't work but you have run the yards and built the network foundation.

Curie sorted me out nicely when I was first on here, it did help. But when you try it from the other side, man is it a lot of hard work to find anything decent!

Yes - building the network - I honestly think going to SF3 and vesting more than 10K have been key to that.

It also helps having a kind of peer group who have all been powering up in unison. Quite an eclectic mix - people like @felander, @blewitt, @shanibeer, @slobberchops of course. Among many others.

When I joined, @curie only voted to 57 rep - and i didn't qualify after a few weeks i think. It has helped many but to be here long term, it requires building a community and network as you have done.

people like @felander, @blewitt, @shanibeer, @slobberchops of course.

You found the cuckoo 's nest network ;)

Curating means taking the time to know if a post is worth something. Curators usually are also trying to 'create' some kind of narrative bringing together peoples' works, or many works by the same creator.

I had to contact a well-known curation team recently, as they had upvoted and curated a post that was blatantly fake-news spam-n-scam. Clearly that one slipped through to the keeper (sorry for the Aussie cricket reference)...

Yes, curating requires a degree of expertise in the subject matter. Don't up/down-vote a post (or even write one) on circumcising blue whales if your expertise is in the physics of hydronic heating.

Curators usually are also trying to 'create' some kind of narrative bringing together peoples' works, or many works by the same creator.

Yep, at least for some period of time, like an exhibition.

on circumcising blue whales if your expertise is in the physics of hydronic heating.

I am unfortunately a subject matter expert on both...

(sorry for the Aussie cricket reference)...

"Never apologize" - Ian Healey

LOL
So when can we expect to see a post on the effects of hydronic heaters on the virility of male blue whales?

Don't get me started....

The argument is of course that "we should enjoy ourselves" in life but I believe that this is leveraged to get people hooked into a scarcity mindset that says, "enjoy now because tomorrow you may not be able to"

Well @tarazkp, did you know that in countries with a super wild unbridled and long untamed hyperinflation like the one currently ongoing in venezuela... that scarcity mindset you are talking about, it's way more than a widespread motto, a decree, a dictum, a verdict and an inescapable axiom throughout the country?

Of course, my dad grew up living on what they could find in the forest during a war. But it is also exceptional and valid. Most of what people can't do without in this world is nowhere near what they can't do without - and then they get in on credit.

on the off grid living. there was a research on how much land you need to survive and i know it was not that much. if i wanted, without moving, i could be off grid next year with the land we have. not sure how happy would the government be about that, and how would i pay my taxes and other stuff, but i am sure i would not starve. And i am sure i would not want to be without electricity and internet, we just got to used to it :D
On the curation part, by definition i am a bad curator because i don't refuse bad authors, i ignore them. but my downvote is laughable for people that i should downvote so...

And i am sure i would not want to be without electricity and internet, we just got to used to it :D

the major problem in this world :D

I think if 7 billion people went off grid, it would be a disaster of epic proportions.

that would be for sure a disaster of epic proportions

The idea of quality is subjective, imo. Of course, there are the obvious cases on which everyone agrees, but is there a common standard on what is considered to be 'quality'?

(Also, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people are going to consider posts that express an opinion they don't agree with as 'non-quality', just like some do already)

Quality is not only subjective, it is also influenced by circumstance.

I think all up, it brings in more game and lottery to the system which is sorely needed.

I don't have a problem with more game and lottery, as long as people behave like adults and play it fair. Unfortunately, a lot of people can't/won't...

@celestal @preparedwombat @juliakponsford

There are normally 5 people but I don't have enough bandwidth for more transactions on Snax :D (@svemirac ?)

why this?
https://steemit.com/snax/@tarazkp/everyone-loves-free-snax

Aaahhh hah, you need to stake some snax to net/cpu :)
Bandwidth is draining much faster if you are sending snax to people without activated wallets.

Went to bed now, if needed we can provide additional snax for staking too ;)

You've been great :)

cheers, i can stake some sure. didn't know I could :D

Oh, it's possible to stake Snax? Does it have any other benefits other than more bandwidth? How do I stake?

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Yay, more Snax! I wonder what we can do with these (someday) other than send it to each others' wallets.

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