200+ million mined Steem?

in #steem5 years ago (edited)

The sun is out at the moment and I took these shots on my phone as I walked the dog. It would be nice to be out and about but since our daughter is still ill, the furthest she and I will go is to the supermarket to get more food for her, which I will prepare in the evening. Everything takes time.

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I have some questions about the talk of forking Steemit Inc's accounts. What about all the others that mined at the same time? What about all of those early adopters who were getting massive upvotes from those mined Steem, the voted that have them the foundation to be whales? What about all the Steem that they sold that was only pulled from the pool because of that mine? What about the rest that is on the exchanges?

As of 2 days ago taken from @penguinpablo's post:

Total amount of STEEM stored on all exchanges:

  • 62,728,210 STEEM

Total STEEM supply:

  • 294,170,410 STEEM

Liquid STEEM:

  • 86,755,697 STEEM

Year - Supply - Inflation - New Supply
2016 250,000,000 9.50% 23,750,000
2017 273,750,000 9.08% 24,854,398
2018 298,604,398 8.66% 25,854,554
2019 324,458,952 8.24% 26,727,942

The blockchain is about 3 years old and has paid out something like 25 million Steem a year, so 75 million Steem this far. That means that 80% of what has been paid out resides on an exchange and 110% of what has been paid out is liquid. Hang on, what?

Yes, there has been increased inflation because of the SBD conversion but if there is 294 million Steem, the blockchain has paid in reward 75 million and Stinc mined somewhere around 75 million, does that mean there is about 140 million more that is missing? Wasn't that mined stake also?

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Most of the early adopters did not buy into Steem, they mined or were the direct beneficiaries of mined stake. Many of them were circle jerking with a curation trail that have tiny votes to the community and large votes to themselves. Many of them were given delegations like sweetsssj who has abused this platform at haejin levels for 3 years consistently.

Where is the consistency of action? If the ninja mine is considered "illegal" by the witnesses, aren't all beneficiaries receiving the proceeds of crime, taking possession of stolen goods? Should they have to pay back the equivalent Steem to the community? Not much of that 63 million on exchanges is Stinc's and with 200 million powered up, from larger accounts, it can't only be attributed to small sellers or spammers and scammers who are earning a few Steem a week.

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It is interesting that while everyone is up in arms about Stinc's stake, what about the 140+ million that is or there, where did that come from? Interest comes from the inflation pool, the 10% for witnesses comes from the inflation pool, the votes come from the inflation pool. That is ~75 million.

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Well, I don't know but there is a total supply of 294 million Steem and 200+ million of it didn't come from the inflation pool. So, where did it come from?

This is not my area and I have no way of working it out and I do not have the history of the blockchain, someone must be able to answer though I suspect.

Glad the sun is out, even if stuck inside.

Taraz
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I don't really understand what's going on and if I did I probably wouldn't understand the effects of it anyway. I'm just putting little bits together from what people have posted.

Hope the little one is better soon.

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Yeah, there is a lot of it I don't get either.

Feels like a day best spent away from the PC. Bright sunshine here too so I think i'll go put my face in it.

No answers to your questions today, sorry.

Get well soon little one.

No worries, I ma just trying to wrap my head around it and I don't have the skills so will crowdsource some views. Enjoy the sunshine.

Get well soon little one.

Thanks, She went for a nap a least :)

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Where is the consistency of action?

Exactly. And why now, why not at any juncture before? If it is a matter of principle then the timing is very "smelly" to say the least.

Makes things interesting at least :)

So the starting supply was 250M all pre-mined?

Edit: I am trying to work out where things are coming from but if 250M is pre mined and it has paid out 75 million, the supply should be 325M + the ridiculous conversions from SBD to Steem.

I don't know the exact numbers, but the initial Steem supply was about 100 millions from which about 70-80% was for Steemit inc and its top-exequtives.
Hovever the first year after the launch Steem had like 100+% inflation which soon resulted in like 200 millions Steem total supply. Of course the Steemit inc has also "profited" from it.
After that the inflation was redused to something like 10%.

Oh yeah, there was the hyper inflation thing. Funny how many people benefited from that yet are against it all now.

So my estimate for the "organic" Steem supply by now would be about 240 million, the rest coming from SBD convertions.
If not for sales, Steemit inc should be owning about 50% of these 240 millions, so about 120 millions.
I don't think that they were actually able to sell much more then 40 millions Steem. So they should still control about 80 millions.
So my estimate would be that the debatable 40 millions is just a visible part of their funds and some comparable amount is already "hidden". And maybe a half of the hidden amount is already liquid on exchanges.

Remember that Dan had control of that also and he has been selling it all off in chunks for almost 2 years.

I strongly suspect @freedom to be Dan. At least originally, probably he already sold the keys.

Likely.

In reality, does it really matter? It is immutable and unless can be changed prospectively, it is part of the algorithm we need to deal with. While many are disappointed that the premined stakes where not used efficiently, the holders have gotten hit as well given the price being down 90%+! It should be about now and tomorrow and not the past.

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The problem is the consideration of forking out part of the stake for a particular reason but not the rest for the same reason. The fact that there is actual consideration and support for this alone is a worry.

I think you raised some valid points @tarazkp.

I got lost in some of the math since it gets confusing but I understand your point of there being more people, and entities, aside from Steemit, who benefited from the launch of the blockchain.

I think it is unfortunate that some people appreciate the Steem blockchain but want to literally destroy the founding company that started it all.

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People are not just trying to destroy the company, remember that once that mine is gone, those same very people become the largest accounts on the platform and, this is a stake based environment.

I think that's just the nature of the beast @tarazkp.

If there wasn't an incentive for them to profit, even as much as they have (and may in the future), the Steem blockchain would have never made it this far.

And if we remove the ability of investors to hold on to large stakes, the future of Steem as a cryptocurrency and investment will be bleak.

But I think there is still a lot of room for discussion, and you mentioned it in one of your previous posts, about how the Steem ecosystem is dealing with issues that are still unsolved and even unnoticed in our larger society.

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Steemd should have ALL the answers. We only have to dig deep enough. Into the origins.

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Waiting for the same answers too. I hope your daughter's health is improving?

I am unsure if anyone can get the math to add up. Would be interesting to know and since all Steem went through the blockchain (I gather) it should all be traceable down to the third decimal place.

She is okay, thanks.

Maybe the founder received a big chunk of pre mined tokens right from the start. It is happen often in the crypto space!

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it was mentioned on a a bitcoin talk forum and quite a few mined. I don't know the full history.

Here's some great review of the "good old days" in case you are interested )
https://steemit.com/history/@greer184/steem-history-march-23-2016

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