What should I do help this platform?
Hi Steemers!
So, I just found out that my votes are being countered due to some "experiment," because I'm a "whale;" a small one, but, albeit, a whale. I did not get the "memo," not sure if there even was one, but I am a bit lost as to what is really happening. I tried contacting @smooth, but he is not responding.
I really like this place and I want it to grow and become something really special. The price drop really took the morale out of this place. Now, the price seems to have recovered, but I am not exactly sure for what reason. To me it appears to be artificial, but time will tell. However, I still want to take advantage of the inertia this price recovery has created or will create and see how we could work together to improve this place.
So, my question to the gang is: what can I do to help make this place become "the place to be?"
I am open to all suggestions from everyone.
Thank you!
Thanks for your question. I'm here since September 2016 and I have suffered many emotional ups and downs. The best advice I can give you is:
BE PATIENT.
Steemit will come to big success, but it will take a lot of time.
The "experiment" is to eliminate voting power of the whales as to strenghten the influence of the minnows.
So if you don't want to be considered as a whale anymore you could split your SP into several accounts :-)
And bye the way: Thank you very much for your support!!
Now we're talking. Please tell me how to do this. Thank you. :)
There are many people here who have several accounts. The most of the additional accounts are existing for certain reasons, e.g. voting bots. The more sophisticated users have scripts running which interact with all actions on the blockchain. But this is not my experience. I have finished programming about 25 years ago. With blockchain operations it is possible to transfer steem power (which is normally bound) to the steem power of other accounts. But I don't know exactly how this works.
The blockchain operation can be seen in the steemd.com log :
Hi!
I am not really sure how to read this list. Could you elaborate a bit.
You simply have to open //steemd.com/@tamim . There you can see all interactions on your account.
Ah, I see. Thank you, @freiheit50!
you can vote just not with 100% of too much or you will be countered. prolly around 18-19% max equals to your 100% before experiment. ask @smooth how much is allright for his bot to not trigger :)
I think he has me at 15% and above. Thank you, @kingscrown for your reply!
No problem man, thanks for your support on my posts! So yeah stick to 15% and you will have same fun as always :)
Yes, having fun. That's the key!
Hi, just saw this.
I guess you've already chatted with @smooth and found a solution, thanks you two. Also others have helped a lot in this post. Thank them all.
It's my fault that didn't send you a message. Sorry about that. By seeing that you have no post/comment recently but voting actively, I thought you're not around but only have a bot voting for you. It may be correct at a time, but not always. Also things changed a lot after a few days. My apologize.
If you have more questions, feel free to ask. I'm reachable on steemit.chat, not always online though.
I feel your passion and positive.
Wish you all the best.
Thank you for this reply! I will talk to you more on steemit.chat.
You can give your steem to me. I joke. Thank you for your support of my transmissions. This platform is one of the greatest things about your planet.
It took me a bit of thinking to understand your comment. LOL. Thank you for the laugh. :)
It is neat to see my vote there boosting your post by about 25¢ lol, and that is without full power.
I took a week off to protest how a lot of this whole mess was handled, I am not here for just the money like many people and have always tried to help people on here, and put out good content. My first post in a week was today.
Have a good weekend.
Thank you! I agree with you, I have learnt from a lot of your content.
Thanks, that is really good to know!
@hanshotfirst -- look, my stuff helps people! I love it.
My first post is up after my break - thanks again.
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@barrydutton/breaking-video-bitcoin-pioneer-roger-ver-discusses-his-ownership-stake-in-dash-bitcoin-problems-his-thoughts-on-dash-etc-did-you
Got your back!
I need all the help I can get LOL. That's why I try and put out good content always, and take a stand, when I need to, it is always to help others.
Thank you.
:)
Barry, how do you feel about the experiment now? Just curious, since in the beginning you were harsh critic of it and I can understand that but I want to know if that changed or if you have different perspective, because as I see it both smooth and abit along with other whales have sacrificed both reputation and curation rewards to basically give the rest of the community more say in allocating the reward pool, which was supposed to happen with a flatter reward curve but that got dumped, as far as I know, from HF 17, and I think that what they are doing is both selfless in it of itself and worthy of support because now users like me, uberlow minnows with 300 sp can vote and substantially distribute the reward pool to comments and posts, 1 cent for a post worth $1.50 and 10 cents for posts worth $17.50.
My opinion is the exact same and that is why I also put my time and money where my mouth is and went on #SteemitStrike for a week, not posting.
I walked away from a week of huge paying posts, as you will notice if you look down my blog page now.
My opinion then, as now, and I have written it several times since coming back y-day --- this was rolled out VERY very poorly, with no notice and was deployed very very sloppy not using any best practices or communications.
Just some of the top 1% in life, doing what they want and also not handling themselves very well at times.
Doing what they want is out of context, because it was done to empower the less influential actors to have more say over reward distribution. I don't think it's right equating them to the 1% in life, regardless of what you did because of it. Also there was notice, just not what you agree on as proper or full notice. Also the best practices? They canceled the votes from whales who didn't want to participate, and not any more.
I'm sure someone smarter than I will come along to give you some good advice. In the meantime, I want to thank you for how much you have supported creative people in this community. You have a great reputation for helping "the little guy". There are a lot of people who continue to contribute to the platform because you have encouraged them.
I'm sorry but I'm not a whale so I don't have any idea how to navigate this "experiment". I liked the idea when it seemed like participation would be voluntary. But now that it is being forced with down votes, I no longer truly understand its purpose and am not sure how the results can be accurately measured.
Oh man, this is such a sweet comment. Thank you. This is the first feedback I'm getting with respect to my voting behaviour.
I noticed when I voted for blogs that immediately their rewards dropped after it increased. So, I was baffled as to what I was doing wrong.
Again, thank you for the kind comment.
Timcliff posted about this a few times. Personally I don't think anyone should be forced to change their votes and I think the flags are way too negative, but if you need to in order to avoid the content creators being down voted, it looks like Timcliff advised onceuponatime (who has similar SP to you) to vote at 80%. Once again, I don't know very much about this, but I figured I could give you a place to start until someone who knows more comes along. Perhaps @onceuponatime could give you a more informed opinion.
https://steemit.com/experiment/@timcliff/the-whale-no-vote-experiment-whale-participation-data
Thank you for this!
My pleasure! It's the least I could do considering all you have done for people.
:)
Hey @tamim - here is another post to help explain what is going on :)
https://steemit.com/steem/@timcliff/the-whale-voting-experiment-explained-including-downvotes-from-abit
You are free to do as you would like with your voting power, but my personal recommendation is that you 'play along' with the experiment. Out of everything that has been done around here since I joined back in July, this has been by far the biggest moral boost to the "regular users" of the platform - to actually see that their SP has some influence.
What I have heard is that if you can keep your votes (including any voting trails that may possibly be following you) under 800 MV worth of SP, that you shouldn't be subject to any downvotes (at least due to the experiment).
Hope this helps! Thanks for your great attitude towards making the platform better :)
I agree. I feel the morale boost right through the screen. I like this. Do you until when this experiment is meant to last?
I don't. It is a question for @abit.
I suspect (this is just my own opinion/theory) that if it is successful (which it seems to be) then there will be some discussion on how to make it more of a long-term thing in a way that is fair to the large stake-holders and does not incentivize them to split their SP into multiple little accounts.
I think it is successful. And, I am on board. I believe that more and more should be done to level the playing field, this way the little guy has a chance to also compete. It's bummer when he has to shovel snow with his bare hands. Lets give him a shovel! The big guy still has his snowblower. :)
You did nothing wrong. You just did what you have always been doing. You tried to reward and encourage content that is good for the platform. We all you a debt of gratitude for taking the time to do that! Until someone wiser comes along, I do think there was a post about whales adjusting their voting power so it would not trigger a down vote bot. I may be wrong but I will look for it.
Thank you for the encouraging words. :)
You have a great attitude. Thank you for caring about making Steemit better and rewarding good content! This "experiment" has its pros and cons, but hopefully they have learned what they are going to learn and will move on. We probably need a better coded solution (flatter rewards curve), which would help alleviate the inequality. Hopefully, we'll get to that point soon rather than having it forced on us by the voting. Let's keep working to make Steemit better for everyone.
I am getting excited for this whole HF17. Delegating my votingpower will help grow the community bigger and bigger, at least, a tiny bit, considering I am not a big whale. More eyes will help to catch better content and reward it. So, yeah, this HF17 should help a bit.
How about running or sponsoring some kind of contest to encourage community engagement?
Hi!
This is a similar comment to the one made by @sykochica.
I am still getting familiar with STEEMit. So, this will take some time, and, perhaps, thereafter, I would be in a better position to understanding how to engage the community.
Thank you for your comment. I will keep this in mind.
I'm just up later than I should be, decided to come back here and go over the comments in your post.
If you want to run a contest with me --- to help out under the things you are able to do-- we can discuss that.
You see my content and ideas, so I am sure we can do something. I ran a contest last month and have artwork done up and saved for all my series' that I do, we can figure something out @tamim.
I always have ideas, just not enough Steem lol
Have a nice week my man.
I have few things in mind, after reading the comments on this blog post. Now, I have to plan the execution.
Amen!
Liberty here we come lol
Thanks for all you do for the community.
Hi @tamim. I didn't see your chat message right away but I have replied to you there, happy to chat more.
Thank you @smooth. I have replied. I'm glad to make your acquaintance, albeit under weird circumstances. You seem very level headed.
You've definitely been a great asset here since you came on board. I've been following, even if quiet. (I tend to do that.) Having a positive, helpful attitude alone really goes a long way on here.
I really don't want to get too in depth on the 'experiment' (being rather talked out about it myself at this stage) but I did try to give some idea as to what was going on with it (with the best of my knowledge) in [this post] along with various pros, cons and strategies to use while it continues. I'd seen a post defining a 'whale' as 384,000 SP or more and while I can't give an exact percentage, those who reduced their vote percentage low enough to the level of a 'dolphin' wasn't supposed to be flagged.
An idea you might try that the flags really can't touch would be some sort of contest with a Steem or SBD prize. Now I absolutely understand this requires taking money directly out of your pocket, so this isn't meant as any force. But stirring up something engaging, positive and fun (akin to papa-peppers [meme contest] or ones run by @fibra59 can really go a long way in my eyes as far as the community itself is concerned.
I don't know if it's something you'd ever want to do, but you're welcome to join as a featured guest on one of our @steemittalk podcats one of these weeks. We try to just have a good time on those and feature cool steemit content and users there.
Hmmm...this is an interesting idea! Thank you, @sykochica. :)
I guess once the whole calculus of how rewards are resolved settles, this idea of yours would really help this place grow at a micro level by creating sub-communities within this larger community.
Absolutely.
It's tough right being able to provide rewards by your voting with the expectation of it being flagged back down. So most of my mind goes into ways to 'motivate' outside of the voting system. The down side of this is that it'd take funds outside of a vote and I don't really like the idea of telling anyone what to do with their money.
Now, this could go well outside of memes. Offering a reward to onboard somebody. Offer a reward to advertise somewhere, or to try to find a great person with a decent following but not quite 'there yet' to bring on board. In the past, there was a positivity project that was run to try and help things 'lighten up' (which unfortunately ran via resteems and upvotes.)
Idk, but I can't think of anything off the top of my head that doesn't require offering funds directly. Maybe something like trying to accumulate donations from members to then distribute to a person that seems to be most 'showing steemit values.' (However that would be defined, lol.)
Anyway, I'm exhausted and wanna try to get a little more writing done. In the end, there is nothing wrong with just continuing to do what you do naturally (since it's already have good impact, even with the counterflags.)
Thank you, and thank you for the encouraging words. Rest well!