Got a Problem with Steem's Reward System? Read This!

in #steem8 years ago (edited)

We're seeing lots of complaints from people who are mystified by blogging rewards.  They say things like:  

* How can any single post be worth so much money?  Don't we need to spread the money around more to make it fairer? 

or 

* I spent hours on my essay and she posts a hot pic or two and makes fifty times as much as me?  No fair!


Well, folks, I'm here to suggest that you're frustrated because you're looking at things all wrong.  An important purpose--maybe the most important purpose--of the author/blogging reward is to serve as a mechanism for the distribution a valuable currency (Steem) to the public based on the community's assessment of each member's contribution to the cause, with the opinion of those having "more to lose" by being wrong counting more than those with less to lose.  


People seem to have two problems with this.  First is how to measure "contribution".  Second is the disparate voting power.  Let's address each of those.


Much of the frustration centers around confusion over how each blogger's contribution to the community gets valued by voters (or should be valued by voters).  Folks seem mystified that a makeup tutorial could possibly be eSTEEMED (see what I did there?) more highly than a thoughful article about cryptocurrency or perhaps a beautifully vulnerable description of one's personal life struggles.  


However, remember that the purpose of Steem is first and foremost to place a valuable currency into circulation.  Given that, there's really only one "logical" way to measure a post's value:  Does it make the currency more valuable and lead to broader interest and circulation?  That's it.  The end.  It doesn't matter how much time the author spent.  It doesn't matter whether the post was eloquent or vulgar.  All that matters to a rational Steem holder, especially a whale, is whether or not the post improves the value and distribution of Steem.  


With this understanding, it's clear why the often-maligned make-up tutorial was rewarded so handsomely.  It represented a-first time opportunity to expose Steem to a new demographic--a critically important demographic (and I don't mean just women).  The beauty and fashion indusury is huge, and it "sells well".  


It's also why pretty girls get upvoted so regularly, my lovely wife included (and thank you for that!).  

(A shameless photo of the lovely wife, Cindy)


Fact is, beauty and sex appeal are draws.  We are hard wired for attraction to such things.  There's just no avoiding that, and we'd be silly to try.  


You may view such things as shamelessly shallow, and that's okay.  But shallow or not, these things were deemed by whales to be important to Steem's growth and distribution potential, and that's why the makeup tutorial post was worth so much. 


Which brings up the next issue:  Why is there such disproportionate voting power?  Said another way, why do whales have so much influence? Well, there's a technical answer and a practical answer.  The technical answer is spelled out quite well in the Steem whitepaper (anti-collusion, etc.).  The practical answer is rather simple:  Those with more to lose should have a bigger say in what happens than those with less.  Perhaps the whales were wrong in their assessment that the make-up tutorial represented a potentially huge new market for Steem?  If so, then they will pay a much larger price than minnows for their poor judgement in upvoting it so.  And...that's as it should be.  That's how self-sustaining and self-regulating systems work.  Put too much decision making authority in those with little to lose, who are not sufficiently vested in the system, and...well...you end up with a fiat economy. Head's they win and tails you lose.          


To conclude, the best way to get your posts upvoted is to demonstrate (explicitly or implicitly) its usefulness in distributing Steem more widely and increasing its market value.  If you're not interested in that, then hey, that's cool.  Stick around and post all you want.  We're a welcoming place!  Just don't plan to make tons of money and don't begrudge those who do.       

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Terrific post that highlights the problem when a freedom-based community collides with an entitlement/socialjusticewarrior mentality. One year ago no one was making anything blogging/commenting/voting on a site called stememit and now some people are offended because they haven't received what they somehow think they're entitled to.

Wake up punk. Nobody owes you a thing.

The hypothesis is that those with the most to lose will vote in such a way as to promote content that leads to the success of the platform. However, it is but a hypothesis. Steemit is, after all, an experiment. We have witnessed both confirmation and refutation of that hypothesis.

I would consider @guerrint's contributions' success a confirmation, because she has proven to have a very smart approach to marketing herself along with the site. She leveraged YouTube and expertly promoted Steemit in a way that wouldn't be too overbearing for her target audience... As good as it gets.

However, we also have to acknowledge the posts that have snuck onto the front page with little merit. One might consider it identity theft to pose as a heroin addict by plagiarizing a professional photo set. And plenty of quality posts have languished with less than a dollar payout despite a couple dozen upvotes... Content with potentially wide appeal goes unnoticed. And of course there's the "circle jerk" side of things... Once a user reported counting 16 posts from the top before reaching one that wasn't about Steemit.

So yeah, there's an idea behind how things are set up. And some reasons to be happy with how things have gone. But there is cause for concern. It's a debate we have to continue having. Fortunately we will, because that's the nature of our experiment.

Well the purpose behind the idea of whales is good but I feel it needs to be refined with time as the system evolves. As of now I feel some things similar to the follow might be essential

  1. discourage group voting - by analyzing patterns
  2. top whales weekly/monthly open talk and questions
  3. ability to remove/elect whales

I find it hard to do #3, because it's based on SP. And I think that it was clever to design the system in a way that voting power is based on investment in the platform. I just think it should be flattened. But I don't see how we can keep the system in place if we could override particular people's votes. And I don't think we should do it even if we could.

yes #3 is certainly a controversial one. #3 is related to #2. we are not going to allow just everyone to demote anyone. But only someone with equal or more or close to say 10% SP should be allow to do it. And it can after outcome of #2 ... weekly/monthly open talks with the leader of platform.

you can override votes with downvoting. enough minnows can downvote a whale, thats a fact actually.

man dude nice to see u around again :)

no need to remove whales. Flagging / downvoting done by enough minnows can negte a whales upvote. in my opinion, if the entire steem community were trained properly, if people truly saw the makup tutorial as a waste of steemers time, then 10,000 minnows could have downvoted the ned and ted whales upvotes and it would not have trended so long. Right now, minnows simply vote on whatever is trending, because at the moment people are in the bandwagon mindset and not privy to the true blog to educational power of this system

And here we have a voice of reason and objectivity. Something the original post lacks completely.

The original post is somewhat cliche, but it still has a valid message. Format matters when trying to convey a message. Steemit is an evolving format and it is helpful to understand what works. With that being said, there are obvious deficiencies that hopefully will be worked out with time. Personally, I am glad a platform like this is available, and I hope to be able to impact it in a positive way going forward.

I am sick of this platform, everybody ignores good content, I am not the one who sees this. I sell my account by the way. [email protected]

cryptogirly 92 if I devise a strategy to game the system, will you work with me?

it will of course be 100% fair and legal - steemit users are gonna love this

tell me more, are you on slack?

Thank you @sean-king! I've been meaning to write a post about this for a while and now I won't have to.

An important purpose--maybe the most important purpose--of the author/blogging reward is to serve as a mechanism for the distribution a valuable currency (Steem) to the public...

...the purpose of Steem is first and foremost to place a valuable currency into circulation.

I've been thinking this for the past week. Steemit is by far the best cryptocurrency funnel I've ever seen. How many times have we seen ridiculous (in comparison) ways of distributing a new crypto? "Post your public address here and get some free coin!" How does that accomplish the goal of getting people to believe the token you're giving away for free has any value at all?

Steemit is doing that in a whole new way, and it's brilliant.

On a related note, I just posted about a Stylish script you can use to hide the $ symbols on the site. I'm 30 minutes in to my 24h challenge so far and it's really, really interesting.

The post is great and that is why I upvoted it and also upvoted your comment. I agree with your assessment that Steemit is by far the best cryptocurrency funnel. I explain in my recent post in a little more depth of why the rewards seem so extremely high on this platform for the time being and how that relates to mining other currencies. https://steemit.com/steem/@brianphobos/the-top-reasons-steemit-will-bypass-the-moon-and-will-beat-nasa-and-spacex-to-mars-not-click-bait

So the social media aspect is just a marketing tool?

No, I think the evidence is all around us that it's much, much more than that. That's what's so great about Steem. It has so many different angles of value. I truly enjoy the conversations I've hard here way more than any other social media platform so far. There's real value here! I can say that confidently, especially because the $ have been hidden from me for the last 19+ hours. I'm interacting with this site for the conversations right now and they are fantastic.

Well said. I talk about voting rewards in my newest game theory article too; I'd love to get your feedback.

Thank you for sharing this post @sean-King! Your wife is beautiful by the way. I am a woman and from my point of view I believe that is ok for woman to share her images, but accompanied by quality content, writing to go along with those pictures. Would not like to see Steemit go in the direction of just picture taking from women and loosing all those quality writers, which deserve a lot more! I plan to do both here! Just my thoughts .

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This is a must read for anyone new to Steemit.

Upvoted, thanks for this.

What I thikn is wrong is that trending stay on top for too long. It gets boring even to go into trending since the same post is there for hours on

All these stupid posts complaining about the make up tutorial girl are just jealousy, you can kiss my ass,

It is an unfair world, but if that is what you care about, there are injustices waaaaaaaaaay worse than this one to worry/post about

Sadly I think this platform may become known more for the amount of sour grapes than anything else if this kind of reward imbalance continues :/

yeah...that's exactly the thinking that will be the doom of steemit. it's like sugar, a quick rush but nothing left after is gone.
We need steak and eggs!
Sorry, but I do not agree with you but that's not to sa that a funny or silly post doesn't have value but a lazy post shouldn't.

my 6 cents.

Dude you're totally worth at least 7 cents!

did someone say steak and eggs? :)

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