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RE: We Need Your Help to Protect Steem

in #steem4 years ago

except some steemians, those have different opinion from them. That's not fair, opinion can be different

This wasn't about opinion. This was about actively attacking the chain and centralizing it. That is unacceptable and witnesses have the job to protect the chain. I didn't agree with excluding more than the Steemit ninja-mined stake (which I mentioned here) but I was overruled. The proposal system on Hive is still available for those who feel they should not have been excluded.

The SF 0.22.2 had the same thing

I disagree, but I understand why some see it this way. What was done in 22.8888 did not have community consensus and was controlled by one person. The witnesses who didn't agree were voted out completely by one person. 22.2 had vast amount of support from many different apps, token holders, and witnesses. It was done as a temporary measure to truly understand Justin's intentions.

if anyone can't communicate correctly, they will block the account of anyone.

No, that's not at all what it means, and it's ignorant of the history and facts to suggest so. Justin and Tron directly threatened the chain saying everything would move to Tron, did not effectively answer questions in the AMA, voted that same week with Tron Foundation tokens on his own chain, and also purchased around 20% of the tokens that were specifically meant to benefit the Steem ecosystem. Those tokens were different than any other tokens which is why the situation with Justin was different than any other situation. It's not just about owning a large quantity of tokens. I disagree with many here who have a large quantity of tokens but I would never lock their tokens up, nor would the other consensus witnesses. These tokens were very different and this has been explained many times in individual witness posts and the soft fork 22.2 announcement post.

For say i can say they have fear of their witness status gone (control over steemit), so they do this.

This has nothing to do with status and everything to do with the security of the chain. A centralized blockchain is not a blockchain and it will lose all value!

I hope you and the community who agree with you understand this before all the value you think you have here goes away. Tokens without a community are worthless and tokens controlled by a centralized entity are pointless.

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This wasn't about opinion. This was about actively attacking the chain and centralizing it. That is unacceptable and witnesses have the job to protect the chain. I didn't agree with excluding more than the Steemit ninja-mined stake (which I mentioned here) but I was overruled. The proposal system on Hive is still available for those who feel they should not have been excluded.

First, NO attack to chain, They have safegard their funds. That was blocked by old witnenss without vaild reasons, only fear was their. If anyone do this with you, what will you do. We will do whatever in our hands. So, Frist attack on blockchain done by old witness after takeover done by Justin, whatever in his hands he done to protect his funds.
What will proposal do on Hive? If they don't ready to hear any voice. And as you said earlier this was airdrop and whom to deliver is upto them. That is not our right, if they want to give, give. Why proposal needed? I don't like this proposal phenomena.

I disagree, but I understand why some see it this way. What was done in 22.8888 did not have community consensus and was controlled by one person. The witnesses who didn't agree were voted out completely by one person. 22.2 had vast amount of support from many different apps, token holders, and witnesses. It was done as a temporary measure to truly understand Justin's intentions.

I agree with you that 22.888 has done by this way, but this is what HIVE has done is replica of that. Hive blocked many accounts airdrop and Steemit blocked only few accounts. Think it other way. Who knows anyone intention?
Yes, all is already discussed before the fork. If only community has a value, NO WAY. All has the value, everyone has value. Without investors, No community has value and Without community, No investor is their. So both are vice-versa. No one can win without others. Both required each other.

Both chain has different type of centralization. or say decentralization. We only require, eyes to see that.

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