FINALLY! An Update About Steem Community Feature (Hivemind)

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Introduction

FINALLY, @steemitblog gave us an update on the progress of the much anticipated hivemind protocol. I have been expecting it's release since July 2017. I have grown impatient but this come as a breath of fresh air to be honest.

Today, I'll share my thoughts on that latest update.

What is Hivemind?

As described in the Steemit 2017 Roadmap:

We believe that high-quality content and communities of content producers and their audiences are the primary driver of growth of the steemit.com site, and in turn the wider adoption of the platform and STEEM. To this end, we wish to enable many users to build communities in parallel around curating specific types of content valuable to their audiences.

To enable this, we intend to augment our current tag-based organizational structure for posts with a new system called “communities”, a special group into which others can post articles. Two types of communities will exist: communities into which anyone in the world can post (where community founders (or their delegated moderators) can decide, post-hoc, which posts to hide from view) or communities in which only community founders’ (or their delegated authors’) posts will appear.

This system of moderation will function identically to the aforementioned comment moderation system, with all content (including hidden or moderated content) published permanently in the blockchain to prevent censorship. The steemit.com web site will respect the display preferences of the specific community maintainers (within their own community namespace only) while simultaneously propagating every participant’s voice throughout the blockchain to the entire world (regardless of moderator opinions).

We believe this unique approach finally solves one of the largest problems currently presented to social media services: the dichotomy between maintaining a high Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR) for a quality content experience free of spam and low-value comments, whilst simultaneously preventing any type of censorship.


That was the original idea behind the steem hivemind protocol. Opening a way for people to group themselves in was resembles a subreddit so that people can have a better user experience.

This is absolutely critical for steem to grow because right now, we are all competing for a single "trending" page. We are all stuck under one "community" with much of the content not being relevant to our interests. This is why, a lot of people don't even bother looking at it since it is not relevant to what they are most interested.

But wait...there is more

This is all great but it seems that hivemind is much more than that. As @geekorner commented:

It's quite simple. It's basically going to be a database that tracks certain things on Steemit, and which will be "pingable" for information. Rather than requiring you to always ping the current nodes, which are sometimes slow, overworked, and that you can't make changes to. Hive will actually allow rapid developer changes, because it won't be hosted on nodes that basically mirror witness functions.

Creating New Ways to Organize the Blockchain

Developers wants to have the freedom to experiment in new ways of organizing content and without hivemind it is currently quite difficult. With hivemind, they will be able store all the relevant information in a traditional database and keep it in sync with the blockchain, while adding new custom layers of logic and features. Because it’s written in Python, developers will be able modify its behavior and APIs with ease... and experiment to their heart’s content.

When will it come out?

When will this come online and what will it look like? Well...this is where I'm going to be a downer for you. Be ready to wait another 3 months.

Development always take 3 times longer than we anticipate and of course, this is the kind of thing that shouldn't be rushed. As @inertia posted, it's pretty much like building an airplane in mid-air.

Also, when it will be released, don't expect a complete overhaul of the front-end of steemit.com...this too may take another 3 months for it to come. Hivemind will be running quietly in the background and be a tool for devs to build their own app on. We may see the implementation of hivemind on other website before we get to see any changes on the front-end of steemit.com.

Conclusion

I hope @steemitblog will continue to update us and keeping us in the loop. In this bear market, it's one of the best thing they can do to keep the faith of investors.

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Awesome! I used to browse the overall trending page, but haven't for months. I basically only stick to the photofeed tag and page, since photography is the main reason I'm here. Excited to see what all this could mean 6 months down the road, once it's been established a bit and people are used to using it!

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Totally agree.

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why agree?

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That's a shame the trending page is really the collective waiting room where the remnants of community pray for the platform to finally become something.

It looks like we will all get our own community soon where we can finally be left alone. So much lipstick you don't even see the pig anymore.

I'm hopping it will be like a football channel, as a kind of containment field for that type of program but I fear it will be more like a ceremony where our residential robber barons finally crown themselves into royalty.

Anything is good if it can help with community engagement!
I almost never use the trending page, just check my acquaintances blogs on steemit and a couple that are related to steemit or EOS development.

1 update from @steemitblog, 60% price increase of Steem.

As far as I'm concerned @steemitblog can update more often :)

Very true about the keep everyone in the loop. I think that is the biggest complaint I have about the development team...their lack of communication. The fact that there is nothing to report is no reason not to report on things...there is always progress taking place.

I agree with your timelines and was just happy to see something posted about it. I can wait 3-6 months for things to unfold. I realize development does not happen overnight. There are always bugs to work out. I know a guy who is responsible for installing enterprise software at a fairly large medical place. So far, he is on three months since the software went in...all trying to work the bugs out....

People need to be aware it is a process. There are stages that developers go through and it cannot be side stepped. It is tough to be patient..but there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

Everything that improves the steem ecosystem and features is good not only for this community, but for strengthening the idea behind steem itself, "reward users for the content they create and share with the community".

3 months is actually little time, I am about to be 4 months old in steem and it seems like it was yesterday the day I joined, besides as you mentioned in the articles, important changes such as this should never be rushed.

With the communities feature I think we will have much more engagement and quality comments all around, it should certainly increase the value of this project.

Cheers!

I think this is awesome
First getting updates behind the seen of the admins and programmers
And secondly the news about community feature, looking at the analysis
This will solve many problems

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I guess this what we have been looking for, good news ahead

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Yes o
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The good news is that people will have another 6 months to buy cheap steem. If they're smart of course.

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But some people don't have cash right now to buy a lot :(
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This is great news. As I understand hivemind from your reference (I'm not that great with the technical stuff) this will address some of the issues I have been very frustrated by with steemit.

To further elaborate, I have noticed a decline in engagement on my posts and also others I follow who write quality creative material (I'm talking about poetry+fiction as they're what I write primarily). I thought long and hard about this, and I'm pretty sure that part of this drop in engagement is a reflection of a lot of people suspending their steemit activities due to the drop in price.

I've been on steemit 8 months now, writing almost daily and fully expected to have made more of an impact. There are so many issues which destroy the chances of success for new steemians of quality, and honestly, I think that if it doesn't change the platform will struggle to find mainstream adoption. The reason why I think this, based on steemit as it is now, is that there are so many barriers to organic growth. I read a fantastic post this morning by @guyfawkes4-20: The Heck is going on with Steem?, which mirrors my views on this in so many ways.

I curate for curie, and in my travels looking for posts, I've come across many instances of new talented steemians, on the verge of giving up because of the complexity of trying to navigate the maze of networking mechanisms it takes to find even moderate success. This - turn off - effect is magnified by bidbots, which return negative profit and also serve to populate the trending pages with a high % of utter shit. Sorry to swear but that's how it makes me feel. I stopped using bidbots many months ago and watched my blog suffer in the amount of comments people leave etc. At the end of the day why should people like me (and many others) who have been published in mainstream publications stick around when they have to spend there own profits, to be read in a section which is mainly populated by very low quality writing.

This is where I can see Hivemind really helping people who are truly bringing quality content to the platform in all different subjects/tags.

As @dedicatedguy said in his comment:

Everything that improves the steem ecosystem and features is good not only for this community, but for strengthening the idea behind steem itself, "reward users for the content they create and share with the community".

He's spot on, this is how I always viewed steemit, as a place that rewards quality content creation. Hopefully, hivemind will create sub communities which can operate outside of the cauldron of crap that the trending page has become. Communities where everyone who also have the drive and commitment to write/film/draw/create amazing content can go where they won't get that high Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR). Maybe also a place whales/dolphins, and also curators, can go where it doesn't take them hours and hours to sift through rubbish to find content that both interests them and is of high quality.

Lol, sorry this rant has gone on for so long. Thanks for writing this great post which explains this upcoming development so succinctly, cryptoctopus :-)

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This will be great for the Steem blockchain.
I read the official post release but didn't really get it, now I do.

We are growing greatly by the day, the is need to break and regroup

Lately we did not get much good news, because market is in bear territory. It seems we are going to have bear market for some time. So this is definitely great news. Also Steem spike today.

@cryptoctopus I know you've been a supporter of community Steem projects in the past, and unfortunately we weren't ready to reveal our project on your last project intake. We'd appreciate you taking a look at our project to see if it's something you'd like to delegate SP to.

We see it has huge potential, but we need to be able to reward the community for their effort if this is too work.

Otherwise, we'll look out for your next project intake post. Thanks for your time.

PS: We just couldn't wait for hivemind but it could also be useful to our project once it's finally released.

I am really excited about this. That's great news. It was supposed to be an update.

Thank for share 🔥

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I am not so clear yet.How a minnow like me is going to be benefited by this hivemind protocol.How will it work to make steemit grow?Because now there is only 9 lack id in steemit,only less that one fourth is active rest of the id is not active.Under this circumstance steemit needs to provide something which will attract new people and make them interested in contributing.Thanks for sharing this news.

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I think it is attractive.
I know it's not perfect but we should stop complaining.
Look at the alternatives man, steemit is gold

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The gold is to build connections with new people. That is where the true value is.

I like your update post

So they're saying they never finish their projects and their customers have to bail out and parachute to safety? Great advert.

This is great additional information! Thanks for helping to explain what we're trying to accomplish with Hivemind/Communities!

Communities will be a game changer in my opinion.

Great additional information! Thanks for helping to explain what we're trying to accomplish with Hivemind/Communities!

That's great news..it was supposed to be an update.Our shares were disappearing on the trend page.Anyway, I stopped sharing and joined the projects of certain groups.With this update, I will find my own community.Thank you so much for sharing this story.

I have read Hivemind information this morning. I was really excited. With SMT and Hivemind, Steemit will be grown rapidly. Hopefully hopefully :))))))

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I'd never heard of it before but this seems like a promising development. I don't like the trending page honestly, I think most part of it undermines the value of steemit. But this will provide ample opportunities for people to get recognised.
I believe in the communities here, steemit is much much better with communities.
I hope they bring it to fruition soon.

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I am very new to steemit but I have already observed the described problem with the platform. It is very hard to find quality content related to what you are interested in.
For this reason, it makes me really excited to read about hivemind. It looks like a great concept and cannot wait for its launch! :)

I'm still new to coding and all that stuff, so most of this went over my head but I do get the jist of it. I'm glad that they are at least working on making this platform more content oriented instead of just a spam and bot haven to farm steem, but the one thing I wish they would do is fix the auto correct for the word steem. I mean it's their platform and they still can't make the exception to not have that as a misspelled word?
Oh well, it's really not that big a deal, I was just blowing off some steem.

I m excited to see the changes taking place.

I really agree with you and i also read this news and read some of the posts who shared their words regarding this subject and i somewhere read that this announcement is really positive one and it also boosted the prices of Steem and SBD in the market to some extent now i personally waiting for the SMT's because in my opinion that can bring the Revolution. Thanks for sharing your inputs and opinions with us and wishing you an great day. Stay blessed. 🙂

There is so much to be gained from social media and it’s important to understand how to push your content through these channels in the best way possible.
Alongside your own website and separate content marketing strategies, social opens up additional opportunities to promote and share your content, as well as network and engage with the community that you build...A well thought out content strategy and a social strategy should really go hand-in-hand.

Nice post

Sounds swell... Hopefully, we get to see it sooner, rather than later... Like you said. Better exposure :) Thanks for this.

Each of us influences other people. It is an interconnect web of ideas and actions. Naturally, there are many positive and, a few, not so positive. A post stimulates an idea for a comment. Another answers the comment which stimulates an idea for a post. And so on. We also see open source programs being designed which will most certainly give ideas to other programmers. It all keeps building...

Me parece interesante la propuesta es una manera de descentralizar un poco la página y permitir reagruparse por la disciplina que más les gustes. saludos.

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This is really a good news for people like me that love high quality post with rich contents.
It will really indeed help steemit grow higher.

This is great! Coupled with Vapor this will make steemit much more user friendly

nice post

Hello, This is great additional information! , thank you.

Thanks that is awesome

I wonder how they'll handle the rush for community names??
Or perhaps it will be done so differently it won't be a concern

Wow my favourite

Great news! It's the obvious and natural direction of change. Channel section is crucial for efficiency of time and development of likeminded communities. Although I like to cook, trading desert recipes with soccer moms is not my thing.

Excellent post because hunny is very helpful food. Hunny is so effective food for human. Everybody should take hunny regularly.

I really can't wait for this new feature, gives users more control and power, just another thing to that shows the real capability of the blockchain.

This is long overdue. Thanks for update. We need frequent update

your though is right but you take more advantage from steemit.best of luck and nice pic.

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This should come pronto, @cryptooctopus. I agree. It should enable us to regroup into like-minded niches more easily, without necessarily separating the sub-communities from the collective.

The quality of commentray -not the best currently, to be honest - should yes, improve.

With this, 'spam' will be true 'spam' in the true sense of the word spam.

What do i mean?

As you correctly observe

We are all stuck under one "community" with much of the content not being relevant to our interests.

Much of spam is in effect a consequence of that as individuals are left to give thoughts, many times on subjects of their lesser, or even no interest at all. Of course, drawn by the incentive to earn, but mostly the requirement to engage, so to 'belong'.

But what is belonging if you must comment on a subject that does not the least interest you?

Herein comes the spam.

If clustered into communities, we can all belong to interest areas, where we can constructively contribute, the actions to otherwise correctly amounting to spam.

Hopefully this comes in pronto.

Interesting concept. Should be cool bananas when fully implemented.

Sounds like a great addition.

We are very excited about hivemind. We hope this can help our community.

Steemit is getting aligned in different ways more and more people are working hard to make it best representable to all ......thanks to the team...
I loved the unresteem part..

Good news. I hope that everything develops properly...

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Oh this sounds very promising! :o

I love a platform that can evolve with the people!

Thanks for sharing the info on what to expect down the road.

Well, this upcoming updates seems promising. I hope they could execute it properly just like what they with their previous update. I think they're capable of doing that thought. I must say, this is a great news for everybody in this platform. Once trending page is OK but more specific trending pages will be much better.

This is a great news for me. I am basically tried of browsing on trending page that's not similar to what i blog about. Thanks for the information @cryptoctopus!!


Blessings.

This sounds exactly like what I've already thought that is missing from steemit. GREAT!

Interesting blog, following.

Just like bees in a hive, everyone on here is swarming around doing their thing. There is no hierarchy or direction, just people doing what comes natural. At the development level, there are hundreds of people creating different apps and programs which will enhance this system. Some are working together in an organized unit, others operation on their own. Simultaneously, there are people creating content on here based upon their own individual creativity. Separately, we each accomplish very little. However, collectively, the results are astounding.

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Yes, nice thought!

I don't about you all but i am really excited about this. Will be real interesting to see this in play.

It looks? like honey
Bee honey is wonderful? and very useful to the ;body? well done; my friend???