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RE: The Past We Had Internet, Now We Have Steem

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Dear @robertoueti

however, if you try to do this in Steem, isn't possible
Of course, you could flag a person until the reputation become less than 25, and the post will be hide

Do you mean STEEM or Steemit?

Please keep in mind, that Steemit.com is a front-end which is fully centralized. And once it will get bigger and bring attention of regulators and politicians then this platform will also most likely change.

Do you think Steemit and other platforms cannot implement some extra rules similar to Facebook? Where your post will not be displayed at all? How hard it will be for goverments to put a pressure on every single platform (either steempeak or busy)?

The only way to avoid censorship is to create "decentralized Steemit" :) That's still my opinion. In current stage it will be super easy to force all STEEM front-ends creators to adopt to goverments needs.

Yours
Piotr

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In a blockchain, and by the nature of how it is built, it will always be hard for censorship, since the norm of blockchain dev's and enthusiast is to see that any blockchain system should be opensource, and that it has capacity for decentralization. If proven otherwise, many blockchain users will leave that kind of platform.

In the case of steemit inc. it has only controls the steemit blogsite, I still believe that the API , nodes will be censorship free and will continue its development into decentralization, granted that all users and as represented by dynamic and proactive witnesses will steer the platform towards the goal of a new internet.

The internet, and all its existing protocol will improve also, but will remain mostly as it is today.
BUT on top of the internet, is the blockchain network(s).
Many dev's out there will always push for decentralization, and the core of blockchain itself is indeed decentralization.

What is my suggestions;

First, always support blockchain projects who are opensource.
Second, member yourself in a blockchain community, and help that community towards the realization of decentralization.
Lastly, learn anything that will enrich your experience in the blockchain, example, learn to code, learn to market your blockchain, use it in everyday life, invest using fiat(as it increase your stake on the blockchain) and don't stop learning.

Let's us all be vigilant. This is a new frontier. We are all pioneers on this land called decentralization of information. The wheel is turning, and it will no longer be stopped, because man, by all its essence will always wanted to be free.

SteemIt is highly centralized. A few big accounts get most of the votes and attention. New accounts rarely get upvotes.

SteemCleaners is doing a great job identifying spam and @cheetah calls out copied content. The accounts that run afoul of these tools have an experience similar to the shadow-banning and outright censorship that people experience on other sites.

(Quite frankly, I love cheetah and SteemCleaner's efforts to clean up spam and phishing attacks).

The block chain is great because it provides a low cost alternative revenue stream. But we are foolish to ignore the web at large for the delusion that the blockchain is providing a censorship free platform.

I don’t mind @cheetah and @steemcleaners . They are a good way to remind content creators to be the best as they can, copying others without proper citation is bad, and as we are intelligent enough to correct ourselves.
We can self regulate.
These are just bots, still we the human reading the content will judge if a content is worth our time.

And the time we spent, these are value, the gold within the steem blockchain.

The content is the pickaxe for digging the gold.

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Thanks for sharing this link @redpossum

Will check it out right away :)
Piotr

But which digital currency does not have a centralized currency? Bitcoin, ethereum, litecoin, in short, they all have few accounts with an absurdly large balance, centralizing a good part of the coins.
The problem is not the dispersion of the coins, but rather, if you can speak what you really want. You see, even though the accounts are large, you can criticize them without losing your voice on the platform, something that does not exist in other social networks.

speaking about PoW, actually a lot of mining pools can provide 51% attack, so its hard to talk about safety, trust and decentralization in the moment, when our assets are in the hands of certain amount of online gurus.
speaking about PoS, as you said we easily find few accounts with an absurdly large balance, centralizing huge part of coins and power

I dont think we ever had a chance to get to know each other. Great comment @cubapl

Are you Polish?

Cheers
Piotr

no we have never met and yes, I am Polish ;)

Tak tez myslalem gdy zobaczylem Twoj username :)

Udanego roku 2019 @cubapl :)

Agree with you on that one @yintercept

SteemIt is highly centralized. A few big accounts get most of the votes and attention. New accounts rarely get upvotes.
But we are foolish to ignore the web at large for the delusion that the blockchain is providing a censorship free platform.

You nailed it.

Yours
Piotr

Totally a favor,
The APIs will be decentralized or at least that's what we're expecting. People are increasingly wanting decentralized models, so I believe it is a matter of time before we can secure the hegemony of decentralization without Steemit Inc.

Amazing comment @guruvaj

First, always support blockchain projects who are opensource.

Aren't those projects usually struggling financially?

Let's us all be vigilant. This is a new frontier

I love the sound of it. Being pioneer isn't usually very profitable. But it may be andventure of our lifetime haha :)

Yours
Piotr

I think depending in witch country the platforms are hosted it will be very difficult to force them to something.

Also, it's easily copied the front-end platform, so, if they close one, two will be started.

yes you are correct !

Reputation and flag are closely linked to Stech's blockchain, not the front end. So, in this case, I comment on Steem.

About regulations, I doubt there's any chance of that happening, and I'll say why.
Let's imagine that governments force Steemit Inc to take this post on the air for example. What could they do? Within STEEMIT, they could create a redirect that, if someone tries to access this post it will not appear, or it will be redirected to an error page, for example.
BUT ...
As we are talking about a front end, we have other options such as Busy, Steempeak and Steeve, which are mirrors of the STEEM blockchain and not STEEMIT. This means that in these other places, my posting will be visible unless governments try to file a lawsuit against all of them, and even if they do, they would have to do with all the applications that use STEEM to come in the future.
Even if Steemit Inc wanted to, it would not be able to change the block in which this post is, and consequently they would not be able to make this post censored completely.

So, in conclusion... You can only censored something in STEEM blockchain if, and only if, you can change the block of that post, which, in a such way, it's impossible.

Cheers!

Man, I love how responsive you are @robertoueti! LOVE IT!

Hi @crypto.piotr,

If you run a website that has european users, you have to comply with new rules set by the european community meant to protect the privacy of the users. On a project like steem you might have the raw data in the decentralized blockchain. Centralized platforms like steemit or busy normally would have to comply with these laws. This means that sooner or later, such platforms will have to adapt a certain censorship of the content that comes from the blockchain.

What is great with steem is that anybody can create a frontend to read the content of the blockchain. Maybe in the future we will have a personalised app that filters the content we want to read... That would be an interesting project by the way ;-)

Best regards,
Achim

And the most anticipated comment of the night ... by noone else by famous @achim03 !

This means that sooner or later, such platforms will have to adapt a certain censorship of the content that comes from the blockchain.

That's exactly the way I see it. And faster Steemti will grow, sooner this place will attract attention of authorities. As long as we're still small, noone care.

Maybe in the future we will have a personalised app that filters the content we want to read... That would be an interesting project by the way ;-)

Oh wow. That would actually be amazing idea buddy. Seriously amazing.

Piotr

At the current time, I can clearly say that centralised platforms have some problem due to their nature of rules ( as you say), and tracking. So every person, writing comment, can be tracked. One of my friends wrote something about one of our politician years back when there was a riot on the street. And few days after, he got police on his doorsteps. So much about freedom of speech.

Problem for our freedom as a society is the "corporatization" of social media and big government influencing the modern model of the World Wide Web and social media.

Just like @anomadsoul says...
Facebook sells your personal information. You are a piece of data ready to be sold to the highest bidder in order to be able to sell you random products or services. Youtube is falling apart as creators are searching for any and every way to get OFF the platform and find a way to make money elsewhere. Tumblr banned their primary user base and demographic content consumers. Flickr is - out of the blue - charging their userbase a yearly fee for something that used to be completely free. Patreon is censoring and demonetizing the users who don´t align with their political agenda. Paypal is deciding who can and who can't transfer money for arbitrary reasons. Twitter is a cess pool of a left wing echo chamber. If you don´t agree with someone or if you have unpopular opinion, you will get reported by groups of SJW´s who will get you banned. It is all just crumbling down before our eyes.

But Steem has all that functionality. And more.... Without political agenda, without demonetizing users, without demographic content consumers, with no rules to agree to someone just to stay on the platform....Steem just has different names for all the functions ( dtube, steepshot, steempeak, partiko, musing, fundition, tasteem, d-oracle, steempress-io, actifit....)

Steem has all those parts .. Steemit is just one of them.

It will be hard for any entity to attempt to shut down any part of the Steem userbase.

And the most anticipated comment from @worldfinances

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me. Again.

Problem for our freedom as a society is the "corporatization" of social media and big government influencing the modern model of the World Wide Web and social media.

Very well said. I wonder if our society is moving on a one way street or can anything ever change. Are we going to end up being nothing but workforce/consumer and product. Traced on every step we make. I wonder sometimes.

Youtube is falling apart as creators are searching for any and every way to get OFF the platform and find a way to make money elsewhere

Seriously? I didnt know that.

If you don´t agree with someone or if you have unpopular opinion, you will get reported

I realized that already. So I decided that I don't want to have strong opinions. I want to understand what is happening around me, observe, ask what other people think and myself share as little of my own views on politics, religion, migration etc.

It is what it is.

Cheers
Piotr

Hey, @crypto.piotr :-) Happy and prosperous 2019 to you and your family.

I'm just stopping to say Thank you for the great discussion you provoked under this post.

Best wishes,
@ravijojla

Indeed @wordfinances,
I think people are realizing that the most used social networks are getting more and more problems related to censorship and freedom, which is why Steem is better at these issues.

hi @crypto.piotr,

Please pardon me for this delayed response.

"The only way to avoid censorship is to create "decentralized Steemit" :) That's still my opinion....."

I also agree to a decentralized Steemit, but what is the need to avoid censorship if the content is obscene and the like?

Sir this is where i was unable to understand. Please throw light on this part extensively so that i may get a chance to understand the subject bit more clearly!

Thank you for your kind reply @marvyinnovation

but what is the need to avoid censorship if the content is obscene and the like?

That's a good question. I didn't think about it. But at the same time I believe that censorship will be huge part of Steemit and every other social media platforms no matter what.

Yours
Piotr

Yes you are right @crypto.piotr Decentralized steemit can be the only answer to escape governmental control and surveillance. I believe that steemit is still not as big as facebook or Instagram but growing. Steemit is still in its infant stage and has a long way to go and I believe that with surge in price of Steem in the future and more people coming into the platform will encourage developers to get steemit decentralized. And the internet as well is not just about social media but is about many more things.

Thanks for that comment @n1hal

So we're pretty much on the same page here. I still wonder why so many people seem to believe that steemit is free of censorship. I cannot grasp it.

Yours
Piotr

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