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RE: Our Plan for Onboarding the Masses

in #steem5 years ago

Please allow me to respond to this content with my opinion.

There is a value to upvoting as a service. You may not like it, but people have to pay for visibility on nearly every free-to-play social site. Additionally, it benefits the authors that do not want to have to be an investor in the Steem platform but simply wants to optimize the visibility of their content.

There are more attractive options, such as the HoboDAO which aims to be a daily contest for independent journalism and informative blogging. But it still costs, with a submission fee in a token, the Hobo token, in order to submit your work for review and possible curation and 5x token rewards to the select winners based on quality work.

Curie is another great project that benefits people. However, services such as TipU are legitimate businesses performing a service that can benefit sincere authors that recognize that they can increase their readership through paid promotion. That is just rational economics.

Amazon is full of indie authors, which is wonderful, but it also means there is a difficulty in authors gaining visibility. For this reason, the authors that are willing to purchase increased visibility benefit from it and experience a higher rate of book sales.

It would be cool if quality made it to the top, but that is just not how things ever work. There are many amazing books that never become best sellers, and plenty of best sellers that are inferior to the lesser known books.

Why is it this way? Everything always comes to supply and demand in a free market. Once indie authors were empowered to be able to self-publish a major funnel in the supply/demand ratio was obliterated. We then entered the world of content bountifulness. Yay! That's a good thing, but then there was also a snag...

Most indie authors end up making something really sad like $100 for the lifetime of their book sales. But why? Because there's now so many books, readers can't read them all. A good book can be buried under the search list for its topic. Amazon widened the mouth of the funnel by a lot, but a natural filter still exists: content consumption rates. When we ran into that wall Amazon realized it could help some of the people gain visibility and profit from the deal.

The same is happening on Steem. A lot of people rushed to Steem to create content, and there's so much content production that your post ends up buried within minutes as new content under the same general category gets posted to the blockchain. This is a problem, but in an economy, every problem means there's an opportunity for someone to make profit by providing a solution.

A variety of solutions enter the scene. A common solution that has emerged is the contest system. The HoboDAO is aiming to be one such type of solution, as a decentralized curation community supporting quality work. But the service is not exactly for free, and its a contest, so its not a sure thing that your submission will even receive curation.

Then you have services like Steem Engine tribes/communities with their specific tokens. They are essentially centralized SMTs before SMTs arrive.

Then you have bidbots. The bidbot service is a simple and rather traditional concept. Sure, it does mean that you're getting upvotes that are not based on quality of content, but it doesn't mean the content is of poor quality. It simply means that the author is willing to purchase enhanced visibility.

I argue that bidbots are actually beneficial for Steem. Not easy to believe me? Let's look at what is happening with the many people using Steem as their main income due to being in a country with a very poor economy. Most of those people get free accounts and post hoping to earn STEEM. This is because a lot of these people cannot afford to invest large amounts of money into powering up their SP. So, Steem is a community made up of authors and investors, which is not the same thing as investing authors.

Bidbots increase the dollar value of STEEM because they go to the exchanges to buy STEEM and power it up for long-term use. They intend to keep much of the value powered up/staked because its their daily job. This is what I call a good hodler, and many bitcoiners would think so too.

Ultimately, owners of SP are people that bought something and it is network influence. They have the right to use their network influence how they wish.

Think about SP like real estate. You bought a house in a neighborhood because you liked the house. Your wife then decides to do a home business of tattoo work, and your neighbor comes knocking on the door saying they don't want you to do a tattoo service in your home because they think tattooed people in their neighborhood will effect the price of their home.

There's nothing illegal about doing that job out of your home, but the neighbor feels it hurts them somehow. Should they have the right to mess with what you do in your own home or on your land because they believe it "ruins" the neighborhood? I say no. I say that as long as you are non-violent, what you do with your property is your business.

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i got some value from this comment as im real new to this space, gaining an understanding in how all this works is key to me, and i really do love this space already...

so basically we have to pay for our content to stay up front, or would creating decent content on an untouched subject gain a lot of/more coverage?

Would teaming up all of the smaller bloggers, creating a un-named community say, by sticking togteher to rise above the mess work?

Give the smaller guys a chace so we can prosper....

Have a great day people, Not you bots! ;)

Peace

So every spot should be sold? I don't think so man. Selling paid for spots on the trending page makes sense like my tribe and many others do, but not the entire trending page. That defeats the whole content discovery mechanism. The word trending doesn't even fit there anymore. Its now all advertising. The content discovery mechanism worked great in the beginning and the market cap reflected it. There is no need for those long winded explanations. This stuff is pretty simple.

Then rename it from "Trending" to "Most Voted"? I don't even bother with Trending, I go straight to the New category. Frankly, I think being in Trending is mostly good for newcomers to the steemit.com site and not so much regulars.

Its not as simple as you make it out to be. What you want is practically impossible and very unrealistic as a goal. There is a big market in bot services on all the social sites, not just Steem. And for Steem to become anti-bidbot you are talking about a drastic overhaul of the blockchain.

Steem is pseudonymous as all open blockchains are and they are that way for very good reason. The coin STEEM is a utility token, a store of value and a currency all in one. If open blockchains were not pseudonymous then the better name for them would be doxxedchains... We can't have open blockchains and identifiable personal data together, people need to be protected by pseudonymity.

You are never going to eliminate vote selling. It is not possible to remove from Steem's design. It might have to get a little more sneaky rather than out in the open, but upvote circles/memberships are a fixture of this blockchain. Steem is staking platform, people will only stake if they get something out of it and they are always going to aim to maximize their gain.

If you really believe you can do it. Tell me how it can be fixed. Be detailed, give me all the technicals. Because I am confident it cannot be done without a very massive overhaul of everything. You are talking about way more than an HF23...

It's easy. I've already explained it. If you don’t believe it or don’t get it, I don’t have the time to try to convince you, sorry.

Yeah, that means you don't know how to fix it... But hey, that's cool man. By the way, I caught the Satoshi joke. ;)

It is hilarious that you refuse to speak to me after my comment. It isn't my desire to deride you, but people don't get to be flippant with their arguments without me pointing the lack of technical support for their suggestions/claims.

Don't respond, I'll be quite satisfied getting the last word then.

You fixed nothing with your tribe nor could your idea work at all with Steemit Inc. You are right in saying that your might makes right approach would require the upvote circles, subscription services and bidbots to adapt and become more hush-hush, but that would only result in clever new approaches to conducting business. And its not a long-term strategy.

Steemit Inc. will want their stake to reduce over time, we all should wish for that as well. So, your approach is nonsensical from a sustainability standpoint, it just simply is not sustainable.

No, the only way to solve a problem (if one agrees that purchased votes is a problem and not a natural feature of POS-based blockchain economies) is through the code is law approach. This means that it needs to be a change in the coded structure of Steem itself, not some silly social enforcement rule from some elite group.

But how very authoritarian of you to suggest such an idea... Why care about a decentralized blockchain at all? You seem quite satisfied with a permissioned blockchain from the sound of it.

The argument that this can all be solved by sheer retaliation from a individual or group holding a god-like amount of stake really reveals your thinking. Knowing that, I would never want a single one of your tribe's tokens... A token meant to be so centralized is worthless, and a token not meant to stay so centralized cannot maintain that strategy.

I love when people try to make the "OG" argument. "You weren't here back then..." Yeah, well, nobody needs to be. That's the whole point of a whitepaper, to catch people up.

If there was a brilliant version of Steem that didn't allow bidbots and everyone was frolicking about in glee, where did it go? Oh, right, Steem upgraded. Maybe it wasn't so perfect then and maybe that is why it was changed.

Again, I have no intent in disregarding your feelings, I disagree with you but I do understand where you are coming from. I'm simply trying to debate your viewpoint for the sake of the best ideas winning out. People should be able to debate each other's views.

I've already fixed it in my tribe. It's as simple as a statement from Steemit Inc. And using major stake to downvote bidbot services offered and posts that use them. We clearly have very different views on the subject and you don't seem to understand what I've said. You also weren't here in the beginning to see how well it worked. You have not layed out anything that I don't know or an argument that makes sense. This is my last reply to you.

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