Why Jesus Is Clearly Not The Almighty God To Be Worshipped.

in #spirituality8 years ago (edited)

I saw @Stan's recent post and I am tempted to comment but knowing it will only be buried among the many diverse comments, I opted to just make a new post addressing the issue in general.

Here are the proofs that I would like to point out. Why "Jesus" is not the Almighty God of the old Testament.

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First and foremost, because Jesus the Christ(which I will refer from here as Christ) is the figurative "Lamb of God."

Let us first establish the fact that Christ is really the lamb of God according to Himself and his real apostles.

John 1:29,36 "Behold the Lamb of God", referring to Christ.

1 Peter 1:19 NKJV "but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."

Revelation 5:12 NKJV "saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!" "

And many other verses...

Why is being the Lamb of God critical in this issue?

The reason is, because God is the keeper of HIS COVENANT. Which is also a very important issue to consider with regards to God.

The COVENANT is made between God and the people of Israel. Done on mount Sinai, when the "THE LAW" was read and Israel responded positively.

Exodus 24:7,8 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, "All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient." 8 And Moses took the blood, sprinkled it on the people, and said, "This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you according to all these words."

There are tons of arguments that can be brought up to clarify this matter, but I would like to make this as concise as possible.

Now, having proven that Christ is "The Lamb of God" and that there is a COVENANT. Let us now see how Christ is connected to the COVENANT.

Matthew 26:28 "this is my blood, which seals God's covenant, my blood poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

With that, Christ Himself proclaimed that He is the LAMB of whose BLOOD will SEAL the COVENANT of GOD.

The sacrificial lamb for the passover which Christ personifies, is chosen on the 10th of Nisan among other lambs and it must not have any "blemishes", to ensure that the lamb is fully inspected against these possible blemishes, it is observed for more than 3 days, before it is actually slaughtered on NISAN 14. - Exodus 12:3,5-6

What will blemish the personification of the lamb? It is sinning(MISSING THE LAW STANDARD OF GOD).
Therefore, Christ never sinned.

What will Christ have to do to seal the COVENANT of GOD? He has to die.

What is the lamb of God? It is a SACRIFICE to God.

These three: being sinless, having to die, and being a sacrifice to God. ALL POINTS TO THE FACT THAT CHRIST IS NOT THE GOD that set all of these arrangements.

  1. BEING SINLESS - Because of the fact that Christ was TRIED, OBSERVED and FOUND PERFECT and without sin...will be meaningless if HE IS THE GOD that can never sin. Instead the scriptures oftentimes magnify the fact that CHRIST is the perfect man. There is the potential to sin and YET never did. Which will not be true if Christ is THE GOD.

  2. HAVING TO DIE- God the one who deserves our worship CAN NEVER DIE. (We won't even go to the absurdity of claiming GOD only FAKED dying just to give an example to His worshippers), Christ on the other hand REALLY DIED and was resurrected by GOD.

  3. BEING A SACRIFICE TO GOD - The lamb of God is a SACRIFICE TO GOD. Now what logic will convince anyone, that the SACRIFICE TO GOD IS GOD HIMSELF?? It will not make any sense and would utterly be abdsurd and unacceptable.

So what about those verses, where CHRIST used the phrases and words that God onced used? Like "I AM", ALPHA and OMEGA, THE FIRST and THE LAST, THE BEGINNING and THE END.

Does using the same phrases will make us the person who used them first? THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

Okay, let us examine them nonetheless:

Let us examine how the "I AM" were used.

In Exodus 3:14

God said, "I am who I am. You must tell them: "The one who is called I AM has sent me to you.'

In this verse I AM is used to denote a NAME, although a bit anonymous.

While, when CHRIST used the phrase I AM, Christ is referring to a TIME. This is clearly stated in John 8:58 -

"I am telling you the truth," Jesus replied. "Before Abraham was born, "I Am'."

Did Christ claimed HE IS NAMED I AM? NO. He was telling His listener/questioner that HE IS EXISTING EVEN BEFORE ABRAHAM. The issue here being addressed is about TIME and not about a NAME.

How about Alpha and Omega or First and the last? When GOD used the phrases, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GODSHIP!

How about Christ? When He used the same phrases(or similarly worded sentences) what was Christ talking about?

Let us see:
Isaiah 44:6 says,

"I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no God."

Isaiah 48:12 includes,

"I am he; I am the first, and I am the last." - to quote from stan's post.

Yes, that's right GOD said that ABOUT HIS GODSHIP! Clearly saying there will be NO ONE ELSE beside Him, being God from eternity to eternity.

What about Christ, when He used these phrases...BTW Revelations 1:8 is God the ALMIGHTY and not Christ's words.

Christ words can be found in verse 17

" When I saw him, I fell down at his feet like a dead man. He placed his right hand on me and said, "Don't be afraid! I am the first and the last." - Revelations 1:17

Now, did Christ refer to himself as being the FIRST and the LAST GOD? No.

What was he referring about? Read verse 18.

"I am the living one! I was dead, but now I am alive forever and ever. I have authority over death and the world of the dead."

Clearly Christ was talking about BEING DEAD AND BEING ALIVE AGAIN AND WILL BE LIVING FOREVER. The subject of His phrase being the FIRST and the LAST was there. Why are some people replacing it with ANOTHER topic?? How can Christ refer to his being resurrected as the FIRST and LAST??

Think about this: Christ is the FIRST PERSON whom God resurrected that WILL NOT DIE AGAIN! It is the FIRST!
Yes, Christ is correct in saying He is the first about this issue...because although there are many people who were resurrected before Christ, all of them, later DIED AGAIN.

Why will Christ's resurrection be THE LAST? Because after being resurrected by God. The power to resurrect OTHER DEAD people are now transferred into the HANDS of Christ. In that sense, Christ is the First and the Last resurrected person by God that will never die again.

Nowhere did Christ said anything about GODSHIP when he used that phrase, we don't have the right to CHANGE his statement.

All other verses to support Godship of Christ are pure speculations, arising from the confusion brought about by the word "god."

While many scripture writers may call Christ a "god", "a mighty god", "Lord of Lords" and other high titles, IT NEVER EXCEEDED NOR EQUALLED, ALMIGHTY GOD and GOD of GODS.

If anyone can show me a scripture that called Christ, THE ALMIGHTY GOD and the GOD of GODS, I'll rest my case.

So why are there verses claiming that IF YOU SEE CHRIST YOU HAVE SEEN HIS FATHER?? It is because, Christ is the perfect IMAGE of HIS FATHER. Much like your PICTURE is A PERFECT IMAGE OF YOU. To be confused about yourself and your picture is a whole NEW TOPIC altogether.

Another claim is that Christ once said "My FATHER and I are one." Yes He did! But have you stopped reading up to there??? The phrase is found in John 10:30. If only a person will finish the book of apostle John, the understanding can be clearer.

In John chapter 17:21-22 This is what we can find.
"21 I pray that they may all be one. Father! May they be in us, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they be one, so that the world will believe that you sent me.
22 I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be ONE, just as you and I are ONE"

At this point, the statement begs the understanding that WHATEVER case you apply to CHRIST and HIS FATHER as being ONE, you need also apply to all his apostles. Are the 12 apostles the 12 manifestations of one person?? Are they equal, one and the same?? NO. It is easier to understand that Christ is praying for their UNITY(one in goal) as they are of His Father. No other way. Unless you prefer to be misinformed.

In conclusion, it is clear that God the ALMIGHTY is correct when He said HE IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST ALMIGHTY GOD. There will be no transfer of that power, (even to His own son) of this GODSHIP.

While Christ is His powerful but lesser-than-HIM-son. Or else all of Christ's prayer that shows His Father to be a TOTALLY different person, will mean UTTER DECEPTIONS or schizophrenic delusions. One example of Christ's prayer is pictured on the beginning of this post.

All those who will challenge that authority will be destroyed without question sooner or later.

#Jesus, #God, #Trinity, #Lamb



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For many years scientists used to argue about whether light was a particle or a wave.
They finally decided that the only theory that would explain all the facts was that light had a dual nature - sometimes acting as a particle and sometimes acting as a wave.

This is a good way to understand the Dual Nature of Jesus. He is fully God and fully man. When you find a verse that proves He was a man, good for you. That's like doing an experiment that proves light is a wave. I will then show you a verse that proves He was God. That's like doing another experiment that proves light is a particle.

Both are fully true. Proving one does not unprove the other.

  • Scientists now believe that light is both a wave and a particle – a property which they term the wave-particle duality.

  • Theologists now believe that Jesus was fully God and fully man - a property which they term the hypostatic union.

When Thomas recognized Jesus, he addressed Him as "My Lord AND My God." Jesus did not rebuke him, but instead acknowledged his correct belief.

When Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM" the Scriptural experts of His day knew exactly what he was claiming, and said so: “We are not stoning You for any good work, said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

You cannot prove that Jesus was not God by pointing to verses that show He was a man any more than you can prove light is not a particle by pointing to an experiment that shows it is a wave.

Proving a faulty claim of MEN with another faulty claim of men, will...

Anyway, I DO AGREE that CHRIST is a GOD and that HE IS A MAN. Nothing to discuss there. Not even waves and particles.

The ONLY POINT I was trying to address here is that CHRIST is NOT, and WILL NEVER be EQUAL to HIS FATHER.

JOHN 14:28

If Christ is merely a God and not part of The God then the 1st Commandment precludes us from worshiping Him. He never rebuked His disciples when they worshipped him on several occasions.

Well... Will you always be equal to your human self? No, because beyond this lifetime and this one body, you are an infinite spiritual being that has experienced many lives and has worn many different bodies. Does that make YOU less YOU?

THAT! is a whole new ballgame :)

..actually i dont even believe that 2-things- EQUAL- to- each- other even EXIST.
Nothing..absolutely nothing is equal absolutely. ;D

Lol well the Bible also says that we are created in his image. I don't think it's a far stretch to hypothesize that our soul is our real self and we experience a human life. Just as God did when he was born as Jesus.

Matthew 28:16
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

There are 2 possibilities why it happened(If it so happened as to being worshipped with the same meaning given to "worship" of the Almighty God)

  1. The worship here means simply bowing down/kneeling/prostrate without the intention of giving the worship that is due to the ALMIGHTY.

  2. They really "worshipped" Him, but it is their responsibility to be WRONG or RIGHT in doing it.

Men, other men, will never nullify God's declarations. Whether they be wrong or right. "HE IS ONLY ONE". As you have quoted before.

In the early Christian church, martyrs went to their deaths rather than burn a "pinch of incense" to Caesar. There is no such thing as "worshipping" in a small way some other minor god. The only way Jesus would ever let you get away with worshipping Him is if He were in fact the one and only God.

What IS NOT SAID..We can never know. Nothing was said in that instance. I wont insist on arriving in a conclusion on something that is NOT THERE. (REBUKE nor APPROBATION).

What IS SAID CLEARLY FROM CHRIST MOUTH IS THIS: http://biblehub.com/john/20-17.htm, His FATHER is OUR FATHER, OUR GOD IS HIS GOD. -John 20:17

You are of course bound by your own decision on the matter. NO ONE CAN CONVINCE YOU OTHERWISE.

Just don't forget whatever you decide. Christ has HIS GOD.


To reply to the comment right below this:

While the scene with Thomas can easily be confused as to being an approbation on WHAT THOMAS CALLED AND THOUGHT OF JESUS AS (ALMIGHTY GOD), it is clearly not so.

We all know Christ is a MIGHTY GOD. I believe that. I can call Christ as my God with that sense in my mind and still not break any LAW of God.

But actually, the issue at that scene is WHETHER CHRIST was resurrected or NOT. Which at that moment, THOMAS believed.

The scene does not prove Christ is equal and the same ALMIGHTY GOD which Christ also calls FATHER in John 20:17. -Sorry

But there is Approbation in John 20:24-29:

Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Remember: Jesus is also fully man, so when you see him making statements that sound like a man when referring to God that's because He is a man. When you see him referring to Himself as the Son of God (e.g. John 3:16-19) it is from His human perspective. When he calls Himself the Son of Man (e.g. Mark 8:31-32:38) it is from His perspective as God. He is both.

Jesus did not rebuke them when the worshipped Him which He surely would have done if it had been improper.

By comparison, look how angels react to worship:

Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” 10So I fell at his feet to worship him. But he told me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” - Rev 19:10

And I am John, the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. 9But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!” -Revelation 22:9

(John was a slow learner.)

Look how Paul reacted in Galatia:

When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, "The gods have come down to us in human form!" Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: "Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

If angels are this quick to decline worship, you can bet that a mere prophet would be even more quick just like Paul. Jesus never rebuked his disciples for worshiping Him. Q.E.D.

Read the book of Hebrews to get a comprehensive treatment of Who Jesus is.

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