RE: Proposal: Refund 40K USD to make up for missing funds since 22.8888 - 원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다
Interesting aspect, why it would be useless to give (when you do an automatic airdrop / swap) every user the same what he or she had on steemit? Because you couldn't use the hive from them by your own? Please explain more. Normally everybody has to register for an airdrop right? This wasn't and there was no whitepaper out right? After the airdrop the blacklist came out or? So different users with different background and wallet values didn't get the airdrop?
Normally if there is a swap it's always fair or?
If it is not remember :
karma is a bitch but she is quite fair. Most of us have a family and to pay and earn, why should one be more important than the others? Is this decentralization? One cry and everyone react 1000 say what they think and get a kick in their ass? This seems not fair or? I am just asking, maybe you could give answers?
You don't make any sense and you have no clue on what you're talking about.
Ah, but you have? Interesting. I only read hate and ignorance in your words bro. Hugs ;)
i was making a joke about feeding my family. As my jokes are sometimes very difficult (not joking here) i have removed it... at least when the post update gets applied.
Thanks for that, because in this times it is not a good joke when 1000 of people are loosing their jobs bro
Jokes and humor are essential survival tools. You keep rocking Roeland, there is a huge community that has your back.
Legit doesn't make sense but I'm not sure you're reading the right part.
You, and nobody else owned Hive tokens. You never lost a cent in your life. You never put any effort into 'earning' hive tokens, and thus, please explain why the money belongs to you or anyone else by right?
Being 'fair' is irrelevant. It's not fair that adults are typically taller than children and thus get to reach higher apples in the tree. A child is not therefore entitled to being taller, or entitled to free apples in the name of fairness. they have to be gifted apples, go find a ladder or another intuitive way to get the apples, or wait until they're older.
The child never owned those apples before. It would be ridiculous to say the adults stole those apples from the child unless:
So, to break away from the metaphor, did you plant and nurture (build & invest in) Hive? Do you privately own the hive blockchain?
I'm going to take a wild guess: No
Aloha my dear,
Slept well? Good.
I wrote a lot of comments here know.... Read them all honey. Hugs
This is not correct, everyone had received the hive coin - it was then only transferred from the account to Steem.dao. So something was transferred away from my hive wallet - so it was stolen. Please get familiar with the system first. Then you can have a say.
Also the majority of the whales and also witnesses were against the blacklist. It was enforced by the 4 founders against the will of the majority. When people like Bernisanders and the unknown Freedom, two of the four founders, say that, it should be clear to everyone where the woe of Hive is going.
Please get familiar with how the witnesses came to their decision. You seem to be making up conspiracies.
It seems we have a difference in the definition of 'mine'.
No Hive tokens were ever yours. You never had them. I don't know why that's so confusing. At no point in your life did you ever own HIve. Is that not a sensible premise to work from?
Maybe I'm confused but I don't see any part of your wallet here where all your funds were plonked into your wallet, thus becoming yours, and then transferred to another account. Show me where I'm wrong, I'm totally open to that possibility
It's like, if I make an exact replica of your house but I change the locks so you can't enter, you would call the cops on me for stealing your house. How is that logical?
Actually it has some logic.
Imagine a village that is flooded by evil Mr. Burns. The village is rebuild at a different spot with the exactly same houses.
But some of the houses get their lock changed and the previous owners are forced to stay in the soon flooded ones.
All Hivers that want to build a "better" Steem should keep an open mind and not start by excluding many accounts that did not deserve it!
Well, this would work, but it's missing detail.
Imagine all that, except those who actively chose to stay in their flooded homes had their new homes' locks changed in order to provide shelter for the homeless (dao). Not only did they choose to stay, but they also actively tried to prevent everyone else from having the financial backing to build barriers to prevent the flood in the first place.
Now, I agree that the precise method in which this was done was flawed, and indeed those caught in the cross-fire by code error are being re-airdropped, and those who were mistaken otherwise will get to let their individual cases be known and airdrop returned. It's a bit messy, but a side-effect of people trying to create a 100% unbiased system. My friend was also caught up in it, and I am delegating 2,000 until things are put right, which could be weeks but that's ok.
But this guy actively voted for all the sockpuppets and, from what I can tell, seems to be calling the new witnesses corrupt liars and thieves (even though their copy of stake doesn't actually go to any witness). Why should they build a new house for such a person? I'm fine to let 'em swim in their own sewage
Well the choosing of words is between harsh and insulting on both sides.. It escalated rather quickly.. -.-
Because the "eye for eye, hand for hand" justice brought humanity many many years of tears, sorrow and revenge.
And Hive had the chance for a clean fresh new start by simply excluding the real thread of the "ninja stake".
The reasoning for some to actively vote the sockpuppets was: "it is good to have fresh wind/investor; the freezing of the legally bought stake of Mr. Sun was a mistake/crime"
Imo a legit opinion and I am very much in favour to welcome these folks warmly if they want to join Hive.
Hand for a hand analogy is not comparable. This is not a situation where one does damage, the other does damage, we call it even (the premise of the idiom). I expect I don't have to explain that to you should you read again.
Well, this is leading to a very circular argument that has been exhaustively debated already, so you can get that info from other debates, but nobody is banned from Hive. All are still welcome there, warmly or otherwise (being warm is not a requirement in a decentralized environment).
The only difference is the ones who were actively acting against decentralisation don't get free money from their enemies. This seems daft to me.
Imagine that in the real world:
'Hey you just oppressed and colonized our nation, so we moved away to another land. Here, take a bunch of our wealth as an incentive to join us here, too'.
As I've said plenty of times, I don't necessarily agree exactly how the specific code was implemented, and there were genuine mistakes that are to be corrected (it happens all the time). Those who had innocent intent can get their stake in the next hardfork, and those who did not, will not.
If there should be a few collateral who cannot get their stake and had innocent intent, well, they aren't losing anything. They still have their steem, and they also gain a free Hive account.
Everybody wins, to me.
Historically this was often one of the most stable solutions.
Like in Nazi-Germany (no other comparison of situations intended!) when the major leaders got punished, but the followers got spared, as the country would have been completely destroyed with a well done "cleaning".
But it is hard to judge who was innocent, who tried to find a compromise, who simply trusted Sun to create a better Steem and who would use their fund only to harm Hive.. For me all but the latter should get their airdrop.
Time will show if the community took severe damage, of if we manage to grow stronger than ever :)