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RE: Proposal: Refund 40K USD to make up for missing funds since 22.8888 - 원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다
Nobody lost anything when they didn't get an airdrop. They had Steem, now they still have Steem.
There's no injustice in this.
I'm amazed how stupid you people are. "OH BOO HOO THOSE PEOPLE DID NOT GET AN AIRDROP IN THE FORK!!". If everyone would have got an airdrop in the fork, the fork would have been useless.
Fucking stupid.
Interesting aspect, why it would be useless to give (when you do an automatic airdrop / swap) every user the same what he or she had on steemit? Because you couldn't use the hive from them by your own? Please explain more. Normally everybody has to register for an airdrop right? This wasn't and there was no whitepaper out right? After the airdrop the blacklist came out or? So different users with different background and wallet values didn't get the airdrop?
Normally if there is a swap it's always fair or?
If it is not remember :
karma is a bitch but she is quite fair. Most of us have a family and to pay and earn, why should one be more important than the others? Is this decentralization? One cry and everyone react 1000 say what they think and get a kick in their ass? This seems not fair or? I am just asking, maybe you could give answers?
You don't make any sense and you have no clue on what you're talking about.
Ah, but you have? Interesting. I only read hate and ignorance in your words bro. Hugs ;)
i was making a joke about feeding my family. As my jokes are sometimes very difficult (not joking here) i have removed it... at least when the post update gets applied.
Thanks for that, because in this times it is not a good joke when 1000 of people are loosing their jobs bro
Jokes and humor are essential survival tools. You keep rocking Roeland, there is a huge community that has your back.
Legit doesn't make sense but I'm not sure you're reading the right part.
You, and nobody else owned Hive tokens. You never lost a cent in your life. You never put any effort into 'earning' hive tokens, and thus, please explain why the money belongs to you or anyone else by right?
Being 'fair' is irrelevant. It's not fair that adults are typically taller than children and thus get to reach higher apples in the tree. A child is not therefore entitled to being taller, or entitled to free apples in the name of fairness. they have to be gifted apples, go find a ladder or another intuitive way to get the apples, or wait until they're older.
The child never owned those apples before. It would be ridiculous to say the adults stole those apples from the child unless:
So, to break away from the metaphor, did you plant and nurture (build & invest in) Hive? Do you privately own the hive blockchain?
I'm going to take a wild guess: No
Aloha my dear,
Slept well? Good.
I wrote a lot of comments here know.... Read them all honey. Hugs
This is not correct, everyone had received the hive coin - it was then only transferred from the account to Steem.dao. So something was transferred away from my hive wallet - so it was stolen. Please get familiar with the system first. Then you can have a say.
Also the majority of the whales and also witnesses were against the blacklist. It was enforced by the 4 founders against the will of the majority. When people like Bernisanders and the unknown Freedom, two of the four founders, say that, it should be clear to everyone where the woe of Hive is going.
Please get familiar with how the witnesses came to their decision. You seem to be making up conspiracies.
It seems we have a difference in the definition of 'mine'.
No Hive tokens were ever yours. You never had them. I don't know why that's so confusing. At no point in your life did you ever own HIve. Is that not a sensible premise to work from?
Maybe I'm confused but I don't see any part of your wallet here where all your funds were plonked into your wallet, thus becoming yours, and then transferred to another account. Show me where I'm wrong, I'm totally open to that possibility
It's like, if I make an exact replica of your house but I change the locks so you can't enter, you would call the cops on me for stealing your house. How is that logical?
Actually it has some logic.
Imagine a village that is flooded by evil Mr. Burns. The village is rebuild at a different spot with the exactly same houses.
But some of the houses get their lock changed and the previous owners are forced to stay in the soon flooded ones.
All Hivers that want to build a "better" Steem should keep an open mind and not start by excluding many accounts that did not deserve it!
Well, this would work, but it's missing detail.
Imagine all that, except those who actively chose to stay in their flooded homes had their new homes' locks changed in order to provide shelter for the homeless (dao). Not only did they choose to stay, but they also actively tried to prevent everyone else from having the financial backing to build barriers to prevent the flood in the first place.
Now, I agree that the precise method in which this was done was flawed, and indeed those caught in the cross-fire by code error are being re-airdropped, and those who were mistaken otherwise will get to let their individual cases be known and airdrop returned. It's a bit messy, but a side-effect of people trying to create a 100% unbiased system. My friend was also caught up in it, and I am delegating 2,000 until things are put right, which could be weeks but that's ok.
But this guy actively voted for all the sockpuppets and, from what I can tell, seems to be calling the new witnesses corrupt liars and thieves (even though their copy of stake doesn't actually go to any witness). Why should they build a new house for such a person? I'm fine to let 'em swim in their own sewage
Well the choosing of words is between harsh and insulting on both sides.. It escalated rather quickly.. -.-
Because the "eye for eye, hand for hand" justice brought humanity many many years of tears, sorrow and revenge.
And Hive had the chance for a clean fresh new start by simply excluding the real thread of the "ninja stake".
The reasoning for some to actively vote the sockpuppets was: "it is good to have fresh wind/investor; the freezing of the legally bought stake of Mr. Sun was a mistake/crime"
Imo a legit opinion and I am very much in favour to welcome these folks warmly if they want to join Hive.
Hand for a hand analogy is not comparable. This is not a situation where one does damage, the other does damage, we call it even (the premise of the idiom). I expect I don't have to explain that to you should you read again.
Well, this is leading to a very circular argument that has been exhaustively debated already, so you can get that info from other debates, but nobody is banned from Hive. All are still welcome there, warmly or otherwise (being warm is not a requirement in a decentralized environment).
The only difference is the ones who were actively acting against decentralisation don't get free money from their enemies. This seems daft to me.
Imagine that in the real world:
'Hey you just oppressed and colonized our nation, so we moved away to another land. Here, take a bunch of our wealth as an incentive to join us here, too'.
As I've said plenty of times, I don't necessarily agree exactly how the specific code was implemented, and there were genuine mistakes that are to be corrected (it happens all the time). Those who had innocent intent can get their stake in the next hardfork, and those who did not, will not.
If there should be a few collateral who cannot get their stake and had innocent intent, well, they aren't losing anything. They still have their steem, and they also gain a free Hive account.
Everybody wins, to me.
Can you see you have no idea The hive that I and the others were supposed to get was transferred to the steem.dao account. So they were stolen from my account. There is also the Ninja Stake from Steemit inc. which should have been destroyed.
$15 million stolen from the founders and witnesses of Hive.
First inform and then talk here.
Nothing was stolen and the accounts which did not get the airdrop were not meant to get it. Nothing was stolen from you, so you can quit being a dumbass crybaby.
You wanted Steem like this so you should be happy on it like this.
You're not very smart. Because that was admitted by the founder himself.
I don't want the pole, either. I'll donate it to her in case it's available. It's about the principles that a person has. But you've never heard of that. Standing up for others and the community and not just thinking of your own benefit.
Once, when I was about 8 years old, I bought a clicky pencil in school, and because it was purple, a girl wanted it, told the teacher it was hers and that I stole it. The teacher believed her because why would a boy want a girly, purple pencil? So I lost my pencil to her.
You remind me of that girl.
In case it's not a clear metaphor, once again:
the steem.dao account is owned by the blockchain code, by nobody or by all. Anyone can have a say what happens with those funds through the Proposal System.
That doesn't really matter. It's part of the money that was stolen from my hive account and transferred there.
What is the difference to Steem with the Ninja Stake?
People like Blocktrades or Freedom or even Bernisanders who is also your green guy have access to the account and can abuse it anytime. The right thing would have been to destroy everything on it. You are untrustworthy with the chatter list and the steem.dao account.
first of all there is no active code in the software which can deal with Steem on the steem.dao account (Proposal System). Only with SBD. Secondly nobody can access the account. And yes most likely in future hard forks proposals will be written exactly like you say, about destroying it (simply sending to null). Undoubtly those will be written and have a high chance (if you ask me) of getting honoured.
This is actually being put in the hands of the voters through the Proposal System, so you can have your say what should happen with it.
And on the hive chain this would be "Hive" and "HBD".