I really enjoy the sarcasm you lead off with, thanks for that. I had a good read-between-the-lines exchange with @thatgermandude over the last few days, and one of the things that resonated with me the most and seems worth remarking upon here is that at times I say "the left" when what I probably should say is "the radical leftist freak show sociopaths". Actually, I have to come up with some good acronym there.... anyway... Classical liberals used to be the left and those who define themselves as classical liberals still see themselves as on the left (even if today they are considered hard core conservatives for advocating free speech and property rights), I would hate to have them thinking I have written them off as lost causes participating in the mental illness of the radical left that you described so eloquently in your second paragraph. Thanks for your response Soo, always welcomed and appreciated!