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RE: Hello, STEEMIT: Let's Talk About IQ

in #science7 years ago

My concern with IQ is that so many of the things it does test you on are things you can be good or bad at with practice.

This relates to the point I was making about height. You can train your brain to be as good as it can be, yes, but there's no evidence that shows that you can be trained beyond your natural threshold. Basketball players are tall, for example, but if you're short, putting you on the basketball team isn't going to make you any taller.

Your wife likely just has a high IQ, and those types of problems are interesting to her because they exercise parts of her mind that aren't normally stimulated in everyday life.

It is more like IQ is closer to a Class with levels than it is an actual stat/attribute.

This is true. For instance, I mentioned that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest ethnic IQ, and while this is true, it is because they score amazingly well in linguistic and memory, but only average in geo-spacial, so the mean comes out at around 115. Whereas East Asians score much, much higher in geo-spacial than Ashkenazi, but their mean IQ comes out around 105-110. I don't believe that this is evidence against the relevance of IQ scores, however.

The things about Knowledge Bowl is it was primarily jeopardy like rote memorization, and quick math skills.

Hmm... Have you ever spent a lot of time around low IQ people? It seems like your experience is with incredibly bright folks like yourself, and so you might possibly be operating from a biased position here. I'm not using this as a pejorative, btw.

Thanks for this extensive comment!!

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Have you ever spent a lot of time around low IQ people

Hard to say. I go out of my way to try to uplift people too, and thus be uplifted myself. Environment, culture, and opportunity can determine such things as well.

If I can recall what that documentary was I was talking about I'll let you know as it was very interesting, and I tend to agree with their findings. They didn't say IQ didn't work. They basically came to the conclusion that there are actually several types of IQ and the tests we use miss some of the others.

The documentary took people that were considered exceptionally gifted in various DIFFERENT fields and applied the IQ test to them and then ran some reality TV style tests against them.

Ahh I believe the documentary was called "Battle of the Brains"

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/battle-brains/

Oh cool! I'll check that out when I have the time. Thanks :D

linguistic and memory, but only average in geo-spacial

There are people who have no "left" or "right" word, instead they only have North, South etc.
Means they have to ALWAYS know where which direction is. (Yes, they say "The door is in the northern wall and the sink at the eastern side of the southern room)

Would be interesting how they differ on those subtests.

Which cultures and languages are those?

I'm curious also.

Sorry, I cannot remember. Both were desert tribes. The dice example I have seen in a TV docu about IQ tests several years ago (but it stuck ^^) and the language example in a text a year ago, so I can't remember it.

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