Rep, Followers and Pageviews

in #rep6 years ago

Well, yesterday @oflyhigh wrote a Chinese post marking his Rep 75 milestone on Steemit (Congratulations bro!!) and this got me thinking of the missing pageviews from Steemit.com for quite some time now...

If we are to look at some important personal parameters on Steem, here are the most likely candidates: Steem Power, reputation, followers. These are all on-chain data. But as I mentioned, pageviews on Steemit.com, to me, is also a very important number.

Let's skip SP as those money related numbers of course matter and I assume that most people come to Steem would know this. So, let's look at Rep, followers and pageviews, which I think all have some intrinsic defects but of course still carry some information with them.

Rep


Reputation is supposed to be a measure that tells the general public about how this user is evaluated by the community, that means include the user him/herself and others. While this might be true before HF19, it is getting less so after the reward mechanism being changed to linear and the tendency to only care about self and own close circle prevails. Because you can buy your way up the Rep ladder with ease now since vote buying/selling is enabled by delegation + linear rewards. The index is contaminated. I am not saying that it was a perfect measure back then (yes, I am aware of the old whale self-voting, sock-puppets, and stuffs), but at least was a good reference point. Now, the future of current Rep system seems pretty doomed.

Followers


Yeah, this is also a non-monetary incentive to encourage bloggers to do better. Let's ignore the problem of Dead Followers and look at what this number means. Obviously a lot of users celebrate follower milestones too.

Let me put it this way: followers ... they ain't no fans. That's for sure. I have 7,785 followers now. Wow, gee, my mom would be thrilled! It's like I have a whole town following my work!! No, it is not. I know. It's not entirely un-true that followers are your fans, but I am only saying that while fans are followers but followers most of the time are not your fans.

It's simple - following people don't cost anything. People can follow others for all sorts of reasons - a) that guy is rich! b) I follow any trending authors I see c) this guy is incredibly retarded, let me mark it so I can tell my friends next time and d) I am a following-everyone bot ...

If I have close to eight thousand fans, comments to my posts and pageviews won't be just single or double digits. Although part of the reasons are that I have been writing mostly in Chinese in the past year, still, I know that this phenomenon applies to others, with exceptions of course.

Pageviews


Therefore, the only seemingly good indicator of the influence of your post, before it vanished a week ago, is pageviews on Steemit.com. I am not sure if other UIs have such a design (busy.org does not). Pageviews can be pumped without much cost too - simply refresh the page and you will get a +1 view. I know. But, since this number is not associated with any rewards, so far it functions as a good feedback measure about my posts. I am happier if the pageview goes higher...

So, actually my main incentive to write this post is to appeal to the Steemit Inc ...

Please bring back the pageview number, or at least tell us why you took it off the website and a future plan would be even better...


At the end, let me say something less frustrating - all of the above issues, I think, is partly caused by the encouraging fact that Steem is growing fast!! So, in a way, we should be happy about it and only need to think about how we can improve all these before we enter the massive growth phase as promised by HF20.

Hivemind obviously might be one of the answers. So, look forward to that too! Come on... makes us busy bees again.... ^_^

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Reputation and Nb of followers won't cut it for sure. The number of page views also has its issues. As you said, this number only includes the page views on Steemit. To palliate, this number could be coded in the blockchain to increment everytime a post content is fetched. But then, it would be really to cheat the system, with a big of programming skills.

The best proposal regarding a metrics was done by @scipio a few months ago: UAJS.

I actually worked a bit on developing this idea but it was too much work.

Thanks kunting, that is a very good post that I wasn't aware of. Actually the ideas it proposes is very similar to what I have in mind but I only talked about it in Chinese and conceptually.

Look forward to a Utopia MVP and eventually the whole blockchain can enjoy it too.

Hey bro, totally agree with you here. Most metrics here such as rep and followers are useless. I too am a bit disappointed that we can’t see pageviews any more. I think pageviews is the best indicator of how useful a post is. I remember a while ago I was googling about NET5 tokens on NEO, and the first article that popped up was a Steemit article that earned around $5 or less, but it had a few thousand views, may have been close to 10k. Certainly puts most of the trending posts to shame.

Hi Jimmy, yeah, I had some experiences like yours too and I felt the same - they should've been rewarded for more... But, of course if we are to reward people with pageviews, it would be distorted too. If we can have a way to reflect true pageviews that is bad-programmer-proof, then a ranking based on this would be awesome - at least the SP holders can then decide whether or not to reward this kind of posts...

Yeah, that will be a better option.

I couldn't agree with you more, the view count was a great tool that gave credibility to a blogger and was an important metric for many.
Reputation and followers mean nothing, bring back the view count!

You're spot on. Reputations can be bought and manipulated. And the problem of dead followers is a big one. Especially for those pesky resteem services that claim to have thousands upon thousands of followers.

Pageviews would be interesting, from a post performance perspective. If the statistic could be used to influence reputation then that would also be very useful.

As it stands, I could buy 200 SBD worth of upvotes and have my reputation hit 60 quite easily. That shouldn't be possible.

Your post very helpful and i like it. Your post is attracting me. Hope you will be with this way. Thank you ..

Your comment is neither attractive or helpful. And is quite spammy in nature.

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劉美女、I’m sure your mum will be proud regardless with 7000+ followers haha

thanks mum! you are the best! lol

你不提起我都没注意浏览量这条讯息被“吃”掉了(´▽`)专门去翻了下,发现13天前还是有这个数据来着

你是怎麼翻的?UI改了應該全部都沒了啊~~~

我去找了別人給我的留言,依稀記得之前有人在留言里給我截圖,說當時那個post看起來很正常,15個upvote和15個閱覽(我好奇自己的記性是不是都耗在這類細碎的事情上了😂)

Not UI. If you look for a post month ago on cnsteem the counter still there but new post gone.

you sure? I did check some older posts on cnsteem but still did not find those.

Was there when I look 8/9 days ago, was told about the view counter gone so I checked busy and cnsteem. Wonder if that page I saw was something cached from before the change?

Just realized that the page view stat disappeared! I think that the page view is a good indicator for us to know whether how many organic reader drops by (at the very least and exclude our own page visit).

Hi
I appreciate your concerns in this post and I am new, so I don't understand everything, but it seems like page views would be very useful and it would be nice to get a reward for them also.
I am intrigued by your comments about followers and I am still trying to figure out how to engage my flowers without reducing my upvote power to zero. I will review your other posts about Steemit and I hope you can review and comment on this post in Chinese:https://steemit.com/ono/@shortsegments/ono-facebook

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