The Achilles Heel of All Religions

in #religion8 years ago (edited)


Almost by definition, all religions make unfalsifiable claims.   This presents two problems for religion:  


First, by definition, there is simply no way of vetting or validating any unfalsifiable claim or of qualitatively differentiating one from another.  This means that, as a matter of pure logic, all unfalsifiable claims are equally (in)valid.  


Second, because unfalsifiable claims are unconstrained by any requirement that they can be falsifiable, the potential number of such claims is literally limited only by imagination.  Consequently, we see an explosion of contradictory claims among, and even within, various religions.  


Put one and two above together and you come to an inescapable conclusion:  There's no principled way to choosing between a nearly endless number of unfalsifiable religious claims, or of persuading others to your way of thinking.  Any decision to accept any particular unfalsifiable religious claim is therefore one made purely from blind faith. 


Additionally, lacking the aid of principles, any effort to evangelize or convert others to your favored claims quickly deteriorates into string of logical fallacies--ad hominem, non sequitur, cherry picking, straw man, etc.  


When people are forced to argue their stance using fallacies rather than logic or reason, frustration, agitation, and anger reign.  All too often these emotions reach a boiling point.  Social disharmony, and too often actual violence, result.


Consequently, despite that most religions preach peace, the history of religion is very much a history of unresolved debate, conflict and violence.  Until the 20th century, when the influence of religion began to diminish, many of history's greatest conflicts were anchored in religion.  

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Most of us lack an understanding how to think correctly, and how words are defined as well. Belief is not truth, despite how many people erroneously think and confuse the two. Recognizing the difference is crucial, yet most people do not.

Truth is synonymous with reality/existence. Latin veritas, it is veracious, it has veracity, it is verifiable, in reality. Beliefs are generated from the phantasmal imaginal realm in consciousness. Beliefs can be true, but they need to be proven true to be true, otherwise they are simply possibilities and relegated to the category of fantasy speculation for the time being, not truth.

Belief, is a trust, faith and loyalty in something. This can be a person, or an idea from imagination in consciousness. Having trust, faith and loyalty to an idea/concept does not constitute truth, reality or existence.

Belief is a #2 problem. The #1 problem is consciousness which doesn't think correctly or know how, that creates imaginary beliefs to try to explain reality, inventing an answer to a question, and also consciousness that accepts those beliefs because they want to believe. People want to believe things, so they choose to believe it as "truth".

I wrote a small piece on cognitive dissonance this morning addressing some parts of belief: Rejecting Reality? Maybe You're Engaging in Cognitive Dissonance!

Beliefs can be either True or False.

You can try to prove truth or you can choose to believe truth.
Your chosen methodology does not change what IS truth.

Of course it doesn't. But it does impact what you choose to believe. All unfalsifiable claims, being inherently unprovable, are equally (in)valid. And yet, not all of them can be equally true (because in some cases they contradict each other).

My words exactly.
That's where judgement come in.
We can't know everything.
Most things we just believe by considering the source and weighing the evidence.
Behind every belief is enough weighed evidence to tip the scales one way or the other.

Actually, there is awesome evidence.
Again, a matter of judgement.

But there can be no greate "evidence" for one unfalsifiable claim versus another. Thus, "judgement" is irrelevant. There's no basis for judgement to discriminate between alternatives. Each is equally (in)valid excuse.

The whole argument of this and other such threads always comes down to these two points:

  1. Light has come into the world in the form of revelation from its Creator.
  2. Men loved darkness and invented their own beliefs to suit themselves.

All of the points in this and every other thread where this argument gets recycled is people claiming that because of (2) you can't believe (1).

Those who believe (1) recognize that (2) is true but indicates nothing about the truth of (1).

For that, you have to examine the actual revelation and how we came to know about it. This is not an impossible task.

I have no idea what you just said. In any event, (1) is unfalsifiable.

U have ideas and false claims against God but when shown u to are using the same logic @stan try's to proof to u, you suddenly have no idea. That's clear cut "hypocrisy" of all most all atheist.

I believe Christians have the ability to "convert" others without violence. The "Holy Spirt" works thru us to show evidence of our genuine Saviour

Your first sentence is technically true, though voiolence and coercion have undoubtedly been a huge part of Christian history. Your second sentence is unfalsifiable.

religions do not really evangelize or convert people believing in other religion (these case are very few).
The main way is of course to format young children brains when they cannot distinguish true or false.
The second way could be to persuade people without religion, but it's more difficult.
trying to force people to adopt a religion is just making them hypocrypt, if they cannot escape or risk losing life or assets.

Interesting post. With me it comes down to faith .

succinct and to the point. Thank you for writing and sharing your thoughts.

The basis of religion comes down to faith, believing in something that cannot be proven. I don't have an issue with either side of the discussion, those who need scientific backing to believe in something or those who believe in a higher power based purely on faith.

I get it. But the trouble is you must then decide which "higher power" you believe in. Therein lies the rub. Since different religions make contradictory claims about the identity and nature of such power, how is one to choose?

If all religions agreed that such matters were simply up to personal preference, there would be no problem. The problem is that many religions insist instead that followers must convert others. Short of violence, converting others to your way of thinking is quite difficult when your claims are unfalsifiable.

I think it just comes down to your beliefs. I am a christian and one of my biggest take aways has always been that its not my place to judge anyone else. If you believe in a different god/no god/set of morals or norms its not my place to judge you but to treat you the same way I would anyone else. If there is a higher power up there its his job to sort things out, not mine.

A claim is only unfalsifiable if it was a direct experience. It is falsifiable if it is something I have not experienced and can only imagine.

Where, is ur prof "God@ does not exist, show us from ur, "logic and rational think" how atheist never seem to surprise me with" the hypocrisy" instead of proofing God does not exist, all u do is make fake question, based upon logic lie and deception.

I never said that God doesn't exist. I said that whether God exists is unfalsifiable (do you know what that means?) and that, consequently, it's as equally (in)valid as any other unfalsifiable claim. And btw, the claim that "God does not exist" is also fasifiable. So, therefore, claims that God does or does not exist are equally (in)valid.

Forgive me for my ignorce. I should have asked u to clarify exactly what u meant. The language used is not the language of a layman like me, so once again my apology.

Hi Sean, I think this might me a subject you might be interested in writing about
I see it as right up your alley and very challenging
https://steemit.com/relationships/@msgivings/monogamy-is-a-lie
MoneyQuote:"Women were even more comfortable being the co-wife of a strong man than be the sole wife of a second rated man."

I saw that post and enjoyed it. Upvoted it. Thanks.

how about the other one about political correctness being a disease?
did you upvote that, or is it too politically incorrect to upvote?

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