RE: dTube: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
I would think that hell is not-heaven. Recent views on hell aren't the ones that a Hebrew peasant, named Jesus would have shared.
I'm guessing anyone in hell, wouldn't be able to tell us about it, if it exists, right?
Rome created the official state version of Christianity in 315 ACE (or AD if you're old school). Over the centuries their saints and scholars discussed and devised their description of the version of Hell that is being discussed in your clip.
Prior to 315 ACE, there was a three hundred year campaign to destroy some of the main teachings of Jesus and/or his followers. Maybe the pope is revealing some of Jesus's thoughts on hell?
The Dead Sea Scrolls reveal some of what was destroyed. The Catholic Church is rumored to house some of the other suppressed teachings, and known, by scholars to edit the Bible from time to time.
This pope seems like he has been reading some of the inside/suppressed information and let something slip by accident. Maybe he's getting old?
I'm with Tolstoy: the Church got it wrong. Although he's a little braver than I. Tolstoy says the disciples got it wrong. A life dedicated to following Christ is not always consistent with the cannons, tenants and beliefs of all the various versions of Christianity.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/leo-tolstoy-the-kingdom-of-god-is-within-you
'I would think that hell is not-heaven. Recent views on hell aren't the ones that a Hebrew peasant, named Jesus would have shared. '
That's always been my interpretation. After I started studying the bible again I realised that the idea of a hel is utter nonesense.
I've argued with so many Christians that Hel's not a thing... And the 'Devil' is also nonsense.
Also I'd argue that this isn't some arcana, I got it by reading the Book and comparing translations. For example most translations that say 'hel' are mistranslating 'Gehenna' which is a funeral pyre for the dishonourable dead, not an afterlife.
Ultimately, they're all just metaphors that can be useful or not.
This multi-verse is a little more complicated than our tiny brains and interesting stories can deal with, IMHO.
I like what Tolstoy says, that Heaven is a state of mind one achieves when living the tenants of the Sermon of the Mount. He, like you, rebukes Christians concepts, in favor of living a life of radical love and non-violence.
I've met veterans, who've described the war crimes they committed...several times I've heard vets tell me about being ordered to shot all children they see, based on their notion that some children were carrying bombs. Indiscriminate killing of children, is a war crime. These veterans lived in hell their entire lives, as far as I can tell.
I gave up arguing with Christians. I just love them with Christ's love.
Tolstoy says to be a Christian one:
Forget any sort of direct relationship with a living Christ...as say Bob Marley demonstrated...but...just have a relationship with a set of stories and beliefs.
Unrelated to anything else I said:
When people point to the sky for heaven and the ground for hell...I find that weird, don't you?
That would make sense for the Dark Ages when people thought the world was flat.
But, a planet spinning in space, around a star, that is hurtling through space and circling a super black hole....well...there's just no up and down in our actual reality.
Definitely heaven isn't outside our atmosphere...a state of mind perhaps...
Are there dimensions we don't have access to, that might be analogous to heaven? Well...maybe?
Wonderful, thanks. I'll look into some of that, I've never heard of those people.