RE: The State and You. An Introduction To Illusion Based Mindcontrol - Part 3.
Yeah the state itself doesn't exist, neither does the government. You're stating what we already agree upon. A fork's material existed from nature, while a government or state apparatus did not, indeed. We created it though, into existence, from our behavior. Would the word state of government exist if humans didn't? Or if we didn't create that apparatus of a way of living into existence? No.
As I said before, truth doesn't exist in the physical domain, so stop trying to think in defining things that exist as only being physical. Truth is a concept. "A truth" represents something that exists, but not the idea of "Truth". To use your claims of what can "exist" is to deny this overarching generalized grouping-order concept called "Truth", which is a synonym of r reality/existence/universe. Morality is the same. "Truth" exists as a representation of all that is, just as that is what reality and existence is. Morality is a representation of behavior/actions. Our actions create the human world that exists. Government and state existence is a result of our human actions. They exist because we make them exist. Something does't need to have come from a natural substance for it to be created.
Now the way that state or government is an "illusion" and unreality, is that it's a false way of living. That which is false should not be created into existence by human behavior. Instead of making our human reality more real, authentic, genuine, true, just, good (maa), we create false ways of living from our behavior and actions, and this is unreal, disingenuous, inauthentic, untrue, unjust, bad.
Does that make more sense?
"government is a way of life we choose to live by and accept" -
This is appeal to tradition, guilt by association and a faulty generalization.
No, it's what we have chosen to do. That's all I was saying. What we do, exists. Not that it needs to be this way. We chose to engage in behavior based on the belief in operating this way. Bringing in all these claims of fallacies is interesting. It shows you're not getting what I'm saying but are more responding defensively to try to invalidate what I said. Guilt by association? What? LOL.
And speaking in generalizations is valid to convey the general attitude despite never being 100% representative of everyone, that's why it's general and not specific to everyone. We (generalization) people on this planet have accepted and support government as a way of living. We believe in the idea and engage in behavior that manifests various federal agencies, etc. "Truth" after all is a grouping-order generalization. We aren't talking about something specific that exist in itself as some specific individual thing, yet we understand what that means to refer to the "Truth".
I will not get the time to reply today. Sorry. Thanks for sharing your insight.
@krnel
Sorry for the delay on this. Time is spend elsewhere these days.
I really appreciate the feedback. I did write a reply two times, but I decided to make it into some posts instead, because your comment gave me perfect inspiration to explain my previous post in a real time relation and extending them into planned material. :) I hope that you will join the conversation on the coming posts.
As a reply, the information got too entangled, trying to explain too many things at the same time.
We have a different understanding of a few subjects and I hope you will be interested in exploration of them. Be it on your own blog, comments on my blog in future posts, where I explain my understanding or something else (maybe not :)) - Is entirely up to you.
I am not completely sure what your understandings are, but I will draw examples from your comments, to explain my pattern recognition process on the subjects.I do not expect you to be fully engaged in my work, so I will just use it as an example, and therefore nothing is required of you. To the best of my knowledge we differ on whether or not man can manifest his ideas (the state is an illusion or not). Opening up for a lot of associated knowledge that can help "us" understand exactly that.
That knowledge I will try weave into my already preplanned schedule of posts. I will however need a few posts to explain my take, including following the path for the blog. So I will take some time to do so.
I hope as I wrote above, that you will join in, but to be perfectly blunt: What I wrote as a reply I have now divided into 7 posts and need to defragment the information in them.
Come by when they are ready and posted and tear apart whatever you disagree with and point out why it is wrong or inaccurate.
Time is not right for being defensive about anything imo. So have at me if you are holding back :p Truth matters to me, not my illusions of it, meaning i seek to know and understand what is true about, that which is. I think we both are trying to do exactly that.
Well I agree that it's not a thing in itself as I explained others things aren't. It's also not like a physical house that we can build and unbuild, but it can be built and unbuilt as a way of life. We create some things physically with our behaviors and actions effecting that manifestation (house, govt building, etc), and we also act and behave in ways that don't create physical manifestations necessarily, like the way of life we live that believes in the real, genuine, true, good and moral way of government/state rule. Falsity (unreality) can be accepted and created into the truth of reality.
Since you seem to know some of my work, maybe you know this one too ;)
I put it because of the many ways unreality and reality, truth and falsity can be used depending on the contextual reference (perspective) being applied to analyze something. Something can be manifested, exist, true, real, etc., yet be a false, immoral, etc. modality that should not be manifested, hence unreal as a not being true, real, etc. (it belongs in the unreality of imagination potential, not to be actualized in reality though). Maybe you already get what I'm saying but others can understand better because it can be confusing. That's why I did presentations to explain how this categorization works.
Government/state is an illusion/unreality of a real, good, moral, true, just (maa) way of living, that we create into reality. Since it's not genuinely real and good and true, etc., then it's unreal in that sense and unreality from our consciousness is manifested into existence. I get what you're saying, I just don't agree with some of the way you're saying it.