Very sad to see these once great countries being destroyed from within :( But evidently this is all going to plan (cough Soros, UN). I feel for you and your feeling of having lost your country to insanity.
Seems like there are many users which are redpilled on steemit nice to read but you wont meet normies here ...and they are the larger part of the population
Hello Miro, thanks for your touching story. It feels sad - but at the same time it feels good to hear it and contact and exchange about the issues your are talking about is possible. I understand so much of your post, but feel different in many things. I am German and speak German and would suggest to add the tag #deutsch, so you can get resonance with the german speaking community (if you like). You could also have or give the same post written in German.
I know many europe countries have some problem as Germany country. It is hard to receive immigrants (refugee) and control them, because the difference abut language, culture and habits. Refugee form middle east have own culture, I hope they can to adapt with German people. I know your people have high level (I mean German culture) on thinking etc. I have looked history in World War I and World War II, even your people have suffered after those war, your people can rise and develop your country become one of great country. Do not worry, your people will overcome this problem, beside diversity is power if you can control and realize this. Your Kanselir ( we call it in Indonesia language) Angela is wise and strong woman. I hope she have policy about to control refugee. I hope best thing happen in the future :)
Sadly, she isn't a wise/strong woman, and has no policy about controlling refugees, other than open those boarders wider, let them flood in even more...
Not a question of age, i turn 50 next year and have my third day in Australia today after giving away, selling, unwinding everything i had. It can not work in Germany and therefore Europe. I do not dislike refugees at all and had wonderful people pick up stuff i gave away, We need a complete different policy and help people in their country. German arrogance looking to "integrate" people means we are "taking" the ones who are needed to rebuild or strengthen their country. We weaken them even more. Merkel, Obama, Hollande and other weapon dealers must be arrested and punished so the crawlers around them are scared… Will not happen until t is to late. I had to leave with a heavy heart because i do not want to be when the big call comes from the extremists to slaughter as many "non-believers" as they can and then watch when the majority of muslems come and show that they always hated us, They are not as dumb as we think, they know Merkel and the henchmen deliver weapons to bomb their country.
Hello Miro, I have to state that I don´t share most of your statements.
I see so many people interested in helping the integration process of the refugees, taking the challenges we are facing. I see a generally well working justice. There is enough money to live a good life here - in comparison with so many other countries. There is no destruction of infrastructure. There is no islamization.
I admit there are many problems, but none of them justify IMO a mentality of "giving up".
Everywhere in life and also in steemit there will be problems, injustice, egoistic behavior, isolation of people - just every dark and light aspect of human life. The general attitude will make the difference.
##Your statement "Everything is lost - give it up and leave this country" is just a mirror of what refugees had thought and put into action when they left their home and country. ##
I can understand their decision much more than yours. Germany and Europe is facing difficulties - but those are the reality which we have to come up with and transform. This is human nature - to have hope, to work hard for the change - just like the project of steemit here! "Give up and devalue everything" is destructive and you might export your attitude with your immigration into the new country or place you are wanting to go.
So here some tolerant and helpful atmosphere should prevail. To build up values we need listening, adapting, understanding and adoption of the general good willing human nature. We prefer to up vote than to down vote.
So here I wrote my opinion - as you wished to hear. Does it help?
Your post helped me to see the degree of desperation dealing with these very challenging changes and I can understand it leading to radical decisions. This to me is the most threatening issue - being urged to radical steps in life. Here we just copy the pattern we experience. Our world experiences quite quick and radical changes nowadays - this naturally leads to quick and radical reflexes. We should give time and patience to react thoughtfully and not give up our built up values too fast.
Merkel in Marxloh: Die Kanzlerin begrüßt Duisburger per Handschlag und wirbt für mehr Integration. (Quelle: dpa) aus t-online Nachrichten
so you call yourself libertarian and voluntaryist, wanting to abolish governments, and still you're all for borders, imaginary lines through the landscape?
sometimes i'm mind-boggled about how people like you can even survive for a minute without their head exploding because of vast cognitive dissonances like this.
"früher war alles besser". you're just a 08/15 reactionary neo-con. with people like you history would merely repeat over and over again.
In private law system some communities also would have boarders. With my critizism on asylum politics I criticize that there aren't any background checks of immigrants, so many criminals invade Europe in the name of real refugees.
You don't need a wall if you stop paying people to come. You think they go to Germany for the sunny beaches and mild winters? They go there cause they know they can bully them out of cash and impose Islam on infidels. They go out of their way to cross multiple countries with compatible religions to do it. Where there's a welfare state, you need borders. It's not cognitive dissonance.
In private law system some communities also would have boarders
Hooray for gated communities and Hoppe-style fascism. In the face of this inequality, we'll have riots in the streets that will never end. But as Orwell said, War is Peace!
Also, these "communities" will band together to be stronger and practically become nation states again. As said, you'd merely be repeating history.
so many criminals invade Europe in the name of real refugees.
according to your credible news sources, for sure.
Please refrain from the misuse of the world fascism by tying it to the name of Hans-Herrmann Hoppe. Are you basically saying that we need centralized goverment to stop of from running amok because life is inherently "unfair" and governments can make this unfairness go away without creating even bigger unfairness? So should we call the cops to police us here?
I thought this is what this is all about: https://steemit.com/philosophy/@dantheman/our-corrupt-sense-of-fairness
@fabio The devil may come in many different clothes, I stay true to my opinion that Hoppe is a crypto-fascist.
There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centred lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order."
---from his book "Democracy, the God that failed"
How could such "physical removal" "from society" be possibly enforced in a "libertarian" "free" society? Only possible with a "private" SS-like police force.
Sure, ignore the mass rape and murder being inflicted on a weekly basis by muslim 'refugees'. Ignore the fact that the existence of the state is the reason the assailants prey on European countries giving out free cash in the form of welfare. Does calling your opponent a NAZI make you feel good about yourself?
To whom are you talking? I think "herzmeister" and I know the problem of taxation and governments. I think he refers to the welfare state, so to point out that the absence of it would also make boarders irrelevant.
my reply was meant for hermeister, not you. Obviously you understand the problem, but he prefers to call anyone who points out the immigration problem to be a NAZI . Much like you talked about in the article. I appreciate your point of view and hope you're able to find a more sane place to live.
@blackeyed - '"früher war alles besser". you're just a 08/15 reactionary neo-con. with people like you history would merely repeat over and over again.'
That is just a really verbose way to call someone a NAZI
lol, yeah, mass murdering and rape all around every day, surely according to your faithful "alternative" news sources. bush and rumsfeld, please come and save us from all those evil muslim terrorists! you're such a pitiful propaganda victim.
Are you seriously not watching the news dude? Hundreds of women raped and sexually assaulted on new years eve in Cologne? Sweden becoming the rape and sexual assault capital of the world? Hundreds of people dying in terrorist attacks in France and Germany? That's not propaganda, its a pile of corpses.
There were 9 dead at the recent incident in Munich, not "hundreds". And this doesn't happen every week. Seriously, I don't know why I'm wasting time with you discussing this. Also the shooter was rather a xenophobe, much like you. Yes, violence in society in general is a big problem. But it's way too simplistic to blame it all on Islam or whatever.
@herzmeister - The Munich shooter was IRANIAN-German, in country for only a couple of years. That's a little inconvenience for your bullshit story about a xenophobic Caucasian German, isn't it? And the Bastille day attack? The axe wielding Afghan in southern Germany? What's the common denominator genius? Its amazingly racist to brush off a pile of victims being targeted by a specific demographic as long as the victims are white.
@zorrotmm The Munich shootings happened on the anniversary of the Breivik incident, the terms Iran and Aryan are etymologically related, that's why some Iranians may identify with Aryan-racist thinking, all victims in Munich had a migration background. There were 5 "terror"-like incidents in Germany this year, with 11 fatalities in total. Seriously, why am I wasting time if you can't adhere to the basic facts, I'm done discussing with you.
Oh I get it, you're one of those negative Nancey Nihilists. It's a false dychonomy you're pitching here. Just cause we acknowledge Islam as a problem and cultural homogeneity as a benefit doesn't mean we sanction the military industrial complex and their aggressive foreign policy of imperialism. We fully agree that it was wrong to poke the hornets nest that is the middle east when it was slowly but surely reforming. Islam was on the decline, Iran and Afghanistan used to look a lot like America before the 50's. The CIA fucked shit up in the worst way and need to stand trial. And their is not comparison between a purely defensive structure like a wall to drone bombings and depleted uranium bullets of the Bush and Obama Administrations.
But where to move? Europe is not safe and will be ground zero in case of WWIII or something simillar.
There is the USA but is already very hard to immigrate. And also if one were to immigrate into the USA the coasts are already lost too, just like Germany. New York, Washington DC, LA, Boston are all government loving hellholes... What is a good country to flee to? My favorites are Colorado (USA), Some quiet place in Canada or New Zealand... but all are very hard to immigrate to. Very expensive.
Good article Miro. I understand exactly what you mean.
I think if the mainstream media would as an example publish the real circumstances about 9/11 it would be news for 1 or 2 days.
The people just dont care.
So what can you do?
You can demonstrate peacefully and the people / politicians are making fun of you and calling you nazi or whatever.
Or you start a violent protest and I dont know if this is the correct solution.
For this reason i completed with this.
I just try now to wake up my family, friends, colleagues and some people I met that are open-minded. But I leave the guys that doesnt want to hear alone.
Is the migrant crisis contained to the city? do migrants venture beyond the infrastructure? couldn't you and some friends finance the restoration of an abandoned castle and rent out rooms privately to native born right wingers? As long as you have a road for the mail man and high speed internet, I think it could be kind of romantic in a rugged sort of way. Our Ancestors had to abandon the coastline and hole up in castles during the reign of the Barbary Pirates. There won't be any American Marine corp or British Navy to save us this time.
Good Idea but I think the state would use its police force against us. There are many reports from people who were thrown out of their flats by government officials, just to create space for so called "refugees". Landlords get more money for them.
Is it the state forcing the landlords or are they just offering more money to the landlords? If its the latter, you could include protective clauses in your contracts and if its the former, what is their criteria for deciding who gets evicted?
Very sad to see these once great countries being destroyed from within :( But evidently this is all going to plan (cough Soros, UN). I feel for you and your feeling of having lost your country to insanity.
Seems like there are many users which are redpilled on steemit nice to read but you wont meet normies here ...and they are the larger part of the population
Hello Miro, thanks for your touching story. It feels sad - but at the same time it feels good to hear it and contact and exchange about the issues your are talking about is possible. I understand so much of your post, but feel different in many things. I am German and speak German and would suggest to add the tag #deutsch, so you can get resonance with the german speaking community (if you like). You could also have or give the same post written in German.
Tolle Idee!
Thanks for this advice and your comment in general. I don't want to destroy people's hope but I openly want to share my point of view.
I know many europe countries have some problem as Germany country. It is hard to receive immigrants (refugee) and control them, because the difference abut language, culture and habits. Refugee form middle east have own culture, I hope they can to adapt with German people. I know your people have high level (I mean German culture) on thinking etc. I have looked history in World War I and World War II, even your people have suffered after those war, your people can rise and develop your country become one of great country. Do not worry, your people will overcome this problem, beside diversity is power if you can control and realize this. Your Kanselir ( we call it in Indonesia language) Angela is wise and strong woman. I hope she have policy about to control refugee. I hope best thing happen in the future :)
This "Kanselir" is the main problem, controlled by foreign forces, working for foreign interests.
If she fells a decision, you can bet 100% that the decision is against german people.
Sadly, she isn't a wise/strong woman, and has no policy about controlling refugees, other than open those boarders wider, let them flood in even more...
Our kanselir is unfortunately anything but wise. And the plan seems to be to destroy the culture this country was build upon
Hallo Miro,
take the money and run!
Bist ja noch jung genug, um woanders anzuheuern.
Wir alten Säcke hier dürfen die Soße nun auslöffeln, die Soros und Co für uns gekocht und serviert haben :-)
holzmichl
This is what I'm planning to do.
Hau' auch ab, Alter ist nur eine Herausforderung. ;)
Not a question of age, i turn 50 next year and have my third day in Australia today after giving away, selling, unwinding everything i had. It can not work in Germany and therefore Europe. I do not dislike refugees at all and had wonderful people pick up stuff i gave away, We need a complete different policy and help people in their country. German arrogance looking to "integrate" people means we are "taking" the ones who are needed to rebuild or strengthen their country. We weaken them even more. Merkel, Obama, Hollande and other weapon dealers must be arrested and punished so the crawlers around them are scared… Will not happen until t is to late. I had to leave with a heavy heart because i do not want to be when the big call comes from the extremists to slaughter as many "non-believers" as they can and then watch when the majority of muslems come and show that they always hated us, They are not as dumb as we think, they know Merkel and the henchmen deliver weapons to bomb their country.
Hello Miro, I have to state that I don´t share most of your statements.
I see so many people interested in helping the integration process of the refugees, taking the challenges we are facing. I see a generally well working justice. There is enough money to live a good life here - in comparison with so many other countries. There is no destruction of infrastructure. There is no islamization.
I admit there are many problems, but none of them justify IMO a mentality of "giving up".
Everywhere in life and also in steemit there will be problems, injustice, egoistic behavior, isolation of people - just every dark and light aspect of human life. The general attitude will make the difference.
##Your statement "Everything is lost - give it up and leave this country" is just a mirror of what refugees had thought and put into action when they left their home and country. ##
I can understand their decision much more than yours. Germany and Europe is facing difficulties - but those are the reality which we have to come up with and transform. This is human nature - to have hope, to work hard for the change - just like the project of steemit here! "Give up and devalue everything" is destructive and you might export your attitude with your immigration into the new country or place you are wanting to go.
So here some tolerant and helpful atmosphere should prevail. To build up values we need listening, adapting, understanding and adoption of the general good willing human nature. We prefer to up vote than to down vote.
So here I wrote my opinion - as you wished to hear. Does it help?
Your post helped me to see the degree of desperation dealing with these very challenging changes and I can understand it leading to radical decisions. This to me is the most threatening issue - being urged to radical steps in life. Here we just copy the pattern we experience. Our world experiences quite quick and radical changes nowadays - this naturally leads to quick and radical reflexes. We should give time and patience to react thoughtfully and not give up our built up values too fast.
Merkel in Marxloh: Die Kanzlerin begrüßt Duisburger per Handschlag und wirbt für mehr Integration. (Quelle: dpa) aus t-online Nachrichten
thank you!
so you call yourself libertarian and voluntaryist, wanting to abolish governments, and still you're all for borders, imaginary lines through the landscape?
sometimes i'm mind-boggled about how people like you can even survive for a minute without their head exploding because of vast cognitive dissonances like this.
"früher war alles besser". you're just a 08/15 reactionary neo-con. with people like you history would merely repeat over and over again.
In private law system some communities also would have boarders. With my critizism on asylum politics I criticize that there aren't any background checks of immigrants, so many criminals invade Europe in the name of real refugees.
You don't need a wall if you stop paying people to come. You think they go to Germany for the sunny beaches and mild winters? They go there cause they know they can bully them out of cash and impose Islam on infidels. They go out of their way to cross multiple countries with compatible religions to do it. Where there's a welfare state, you need borders. It's not cognitive dissonance.
Hooray for gated communities and Hoppe-style fascism. In the face of this inequality, we'll have riots in the streets that will never end. But as Orwell said, War is Peace!
Also, these "communities" will band together to be stronger and practically become nation states again. As said, you'd merely be repeating history.
according to your credible news sources, for sure.
Please refrain from the misuse of the world fascism by tying it to the name of Hans-Herrmann Hoppe. Are you basically saying that we need centralized goverment to stop of from running amok because life is inherently "unfair" and governments can make this unfairness go away without creating even bigger unfairness? So should we call the cops to police us here?
I thought this is what this is all about: https://steemit.com/philosophy/@dantheman/our-corrupt-sense-of-fairness
@fabio The devil may come in many different clothes, I stay true to my opinion that Hoppe is a crypto-fascist.
---from his book "Democracy, the God that failed"
How could such "physical removal" "from society" be possibly enforced in a "libertarian" "free" society? Only possible with a "private" SS-like police force.
Sure, ignore the mass rape and murder being inflicted on a weekly basis by muslim 'refugees'. Ignore the fact that the existence of the state is the reason the assailants prey on European countries giving out free cash in the form of welfare. Does calling your opponent a NAZI make you feel good about yourself?
To whom are you talking? I think "herzmeister" and I know the problem of taxation and governments. I think he refers to the welfare state, so to point out that the absence of it would also make boarders irrelevant.
my reply was meant for hermeister, not you. Obviously you understand the problem, but he prefers to call anyone who points out the immigration problem to be a NAZI . Much like you talked about in the article. I appreciate your point of view and hope you're able to find a more sane place to live.
Thanks! Sorry that I got it wrong.
where exactly was the word 'nazi'? i did not find it.
@blackeyed - '"früher war alles besser". you're just a 08/15 reactionary neo-con. with people like you history would merely repeat over and over again.'
That is just a really verbose way to call someone a NAZI
lol, yeah, mass murdering and rape all around every day, surely according to your faithful "alternative" news sources. bush and rumsfeld, please come and save us from all those evil muslim terrorists! you're such a pitiful propaganda victim.
Enjoy the consequences and stand up for your opinion when time comes to look for those who helped destroy Germany
Are you seriously not watching the news dude? Hundreds of women raped and sexually assaulted on new years eve in Cologne? Sweden becoming the rape and sexual assault capital of the world? Hundreds of people dying in terrorist attacks in France and Germany? That's not propaganda, its a pile of corpses.
There were 9 dead at the recent incident in Munich, not "hundreds". And this doesn't happen every week. Seriously, I don't know why I'm wasting time with you discussing this. Also the shooter was rather a xenophobe, much like you. Yes, violence in society in general is a big problem. But it's way too simplistic to blame it all on Islam or whatever.
@herzmeister - The Munich shooter was IRANIAN-German, in country for only a couple of years. That's a little inconvenience for your bullshit story about a xenophobic Caucasian German, isn't it? And the Bastille day attack? The axe wielding Afghan in southern Germany? What's the common denominator genius? Its amazingly racist to brush off a pile of victims being targeted by a specific demographic as long as the victims are white.
@zorrotmm The Munich shootings happened on the anniversary of the Breivik incident, the terms Iran and Aryan are etymologically related, that's why some Iranians may identify with Aryan-racist thinking, all victims in Munich had a migration background. There were 5 "terror"-like incidents in Germany this year, with 11 fatalities in total. Seriously, why am I wasting time if you can't adhere to the basic facts, I'm done discussing with you.
Oh I get it, you're one of those negative Nancey Nihilists. It's a false dychonomy you're pitching here. Just cause we acknowledge Islam as a problem and cultural homogeneity as a benefit doesn't mean we sanction the military industrial complex and their aggressive foreign policy of imperialism. We fully agree that it was wrong to poke the hornets nest that is the middle east when it was slowly but surely reforming. Islam was on the decline, Iran and Afghanistan used to look a lot like America before the 50's. The CIA fucked shit up in the worst way and need to stand trial. And their is not comparison between a purely defensive structure like a wall to drone bombings and depleted uranium bullets of the Bush and Obama Administrations.
Unless you have some suggestions? Or are you just here to talk down to us?
Jap... da ist kaum noch was zu retten... schade!
But where to move? Europe is not safe and will be ground zero in case of WWIII or something simillar.
There is the USA but is already very hard to immigrate. And also if one were to immigrate into the USA the coasts are already lost too, just like Germany. New York, Washington DC, LA, Boston are all government loving hellholes... What is a good country to flee to? My favorites are Colorado (USA), Some quiet place in Canada or New Zealand... but all are very hard to immigrate to. Very expensive.
Latin America is a good place to look.
Good article Miro. I understand exactly what you mean.
I think if the mainstream media would as an example publish the real circumstances about 9/11 it would be news for 1 or 2 days.
The people just dont care.
So what can you do?
You can demonstrate peacefully and the people / politicians are making fun of you and calling you nazi or whatever.
Or you start a violent protest and I dont know if this is the correct solution.
For this reason i completed with this.
I just try now to wake up my family, friends, colleagues and some people I met that are open-minded. But I leave the guys that doesnt want to hear alone.
i've been following this situation... Have some German friends and have German heritage myself and i concur...hard choices! upvoted and shared
Is the migrant crisis contained to the city? do migrants venture beyond the infrastructure? couldn't you and some friends finance the restoration of an abandoned castle and rent out rooms privately to native born right wingers? As long as you have a road for the mail man and high speed internet, I think it could be kind of romantic in a rugged sort of way. Our Ancestors had to abandon the coastline and hole up in castles during the reign of the Barbary Pirates. There won't be any American Marine corp or British Navy to save us this time.
Good Idea but I think the state would use its police force against us. There are many reports from people who were thrown out of their flats by government officials, just to create space for so called "refugees". Landlords get more money for them.
Is it the state forcing the landlords or are they just offering more money to the landlords? If its the latter, you could include protective clauses in your contracts and if its the former, what is their criteria for deciding who gets evicted?