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Yeah, that are the spectrums basically, one side says spain is stealing us and the other side says this is spain territory, the UE politics is another of the factors without a doubt, as the belief in any state legitimacy, people have accepted it as an entity that has the right to take life and property, what I can't understand is how they say they respect the self-determination of peoples, human rights, so on and so forth and people still believing.

So the fight was for nothing, all those people getting beaten down by police for peaceful protests was for zero. Such a shame.

Some are getting a lot of profit and power (from all sides), but I don't think those were beaten by anyone, if we always accept what the majority says, we will be oppressing minorities until they cease to exist, but this ideas are working on fertilized ground.

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