RE: UK PM Triggers Article 50 to Leave the EU - Why I'm Positive About It
I'm positive about Brexit because I want the UK to fall apart. I didn't vote because I knew I would have voted remain despite wanting the resulting effects of leave.
We have a strong cultural identity
This is a figment.
A North and South divide of England. Forgotten Wales. Forgotten Northern Ireland, with Scotland only being a talking point when it is about leaving the UK.
The UK is an abhorrent uncivilised place in my opinion. Despite our massive GDP we sacrifice citizens to the streets, in growing numbers, while ignoring this issue, and we are committing genocide against the disabled as well as a host of other atrocities. Being an "Island nation" we live in a bubble hiding behind our imagined exceptionalism.
"Genocide only happens in foreign countries" we tell ourselves.
Brexit is a good thing because it will provide the nation with what it needs, a shocking surprise that British exceptionalism is a figment. Anyway ‘Britain’ is a piece of fiction invented by the English to disguise their oppressive colonial relationship to the other nations. British means English, and this is often shown in our media. One example of a million, Eddie Irvine a formula 1 driver, when he is doing well he is a British driver, when he is doing bad he is an Irish driver.
During one of the question times on Brexit, an audience member asked about the Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland border. The rest of the audience booed and laughed because that has nothing to do with Brexit/Britain/England. If a hard border is put in place that voids the good friday agreement, ending the Northern Ireland peace process, but that means nothing to Britain(England). I'm back in Northern Ireland after 7 years making plans incase of a hard border. I'm from a border town, so if the hard border is put in place I am well within my remit to do whatever I want 😊
I agree we will be stronger in the long term after having to face the reality of what the UK is with our constanly diminishing rights (and no more EU rights (which we wrote) to protect us), such a dissociated place that often uses "punching above its weight" as a positive gimmick on the international stage, as if to accept the fact that it is weak while safely dissociating the fact.
I feel bad for the people who think we are going to take back control of our borders, when they find out we already have control but have been failed by our own government policies and not the EU.
Anyway it is all very exciting stuff 😊
While a lot of what you are saying is true, you seem to be overlooking a key component. It is the tyrannical nature of the EU and the limited autonomy of the UK's subservient leaders that prevents the UK from possessing the necessary power to change all of the problems you speak of. British law, is EU law. The austerity inflicted genocide you speak of is a direct result of EU regulations and therefore, under a national law, rather than a European one, perhaps we will be able to address many of these problems that the EU has perpetuated.
Though, for that to happen, we would need leaders that are not corrupt, and actually care about the common people rather than the 0.1% This is something that I have difficulty finding optimism towards.
I agree. I am not in favour of being part of the EU except for the idealistic aspect of it. Although I don't agree fully with the austerity inflicted genocide being a direct result of EU regulations. The UK could have chosen to cut a number of things like corporate benefits for example, or just not went for Austerity at all. It wasn't like in the case of Greece were they could just strong arm us into doing whatever they wanted.
You could be right, but it is my understanding that politicians in the UK have literally no authority. There is a piece of legislation that a nation must sign when entering the EU which essentially states that EU law supersedes any national law. This would not have been a problem if the EU had a limited amount of laws to impose upon its member nations. But, in the last decade enough laws have been implemented to effectively negate any national laws that stood prior to new EU legislation.
UK politicians have no power. Everything you see on TV is all just an act to disguise the unfathomable omnipotence of the EU. Because Brexit would have happened a fucking long time ago if people really knew who was running their country. Some unelected aristocracy hiding away in a castle in Brussels, and fuck knows who they are subservient to.
The EU have had control over our agriculture, fisheries, external trade, and the environment law. Our beaches were a mess before the EU forced us to clean them up.
But the EUs influence is limited over welfare and social security, education, criminal law, family law and the NHS.
Based on data from the UK Statute Law database, from 1980 to the end of 2009, out of 1,302 UK Acts between 1980 and 2009 (excluding those later repealed), 186 Acts or 14.3% incorporated a degree of EU influence. The breakdown was as follows:
55 made passing reference to EU obligations.
96 implemented one or more EU laws but not as the main elements of the law.
17 implemented three or more EU measures.
18 implemented EU obligations as the main purpose of the Act
Although the house of commons library has claimed there is no rational or accurate way to measure how many of our laws come from the EU due to the complicated nature of it all.
All I know is I don't really know 😊
Part of Glasgow, as well as many other locations in the UK, were flooded over recent years because the EU had decided to ban the dredging of rivers. Mainstream media will defend these accusations and tell you that it was actually climate change that caused this, but when you know that climate change is a load of shite, the true cause becomes rather evident. So, these regulations are not all good in terms of the environment.
Also, I think you are misunderstanding the point I am making. I'm alleging that UK laws enacted by parliament are a dog and pony show, for they are invalid if the EU has a law that negates it. They just keep doing this shit because it gives the appearance of the UK parliament having any level of authority over what happens in the UK, but they do not.
There is something called "The Supremacy of EU Law." If you look it up you will see that a number of cases, decided by the European Court of Justice, have established that EU law rules over national law.
EU law also rules over any member state's national constitution. This means that any EU treaty laws take direct effect in the UK, as well as all other EU nations, and if there is a conflicting law in place in any country, the EU law is given precedent.
Now add the fact that the EU have been implementing so many laws in recent years that the UK does not even have the man power to keep up with the processing and adding it to UK legislation, and we find, or at least, I find, that the UK is not operating under UK law at all. It is under EU law.
I hope I explained that well enough, because you know, law is intentionally fucking difficult to explain.
Yeah it is very complicated. Thanks for explaining. Although what I said before about EUs influence over UK law doesn't include soft law, and the "supremacy law" you talk of, and much more other ways they influence us.
I like the idealism of the EU, but they have shown their true colours in recent times.
Wow you are very pessimistic. I hope you are wrong but none of us know for sure.
I consider it optimistic. Accelerating destruction for creation. We can keep things going as they are with a slow decline killing more people (which we pretend not to know about) over these long drawn out years, or we can decline faster killing less people overall.
I lived in the NorthWest of England for 7 years, I have a brother who lives in London working for a big city of London company. I've seen what it's like across the country. I've literally walked from Glasgow to Edinburgh and then to Newcastle investigating. I've been to the Westminster treasury building and its corruption office. I've been to political conferences as press.
I know how people live in the UK, from those who live safely in a bubble able to feed themselves and afford heating to those who live in 3rd world underfunded ghetto areas living hand to mouth, unable to afford heating, and of course the growing homeless. At one point I was investigating into foodbanks, one of the most shocking things I found was that the majority of people using them had a job, but could not afford both rent and food. I know how politics and media work in this country. It is a joke. We have more and more people freezing to death in their own homes every year, and the next (behemothly bigger than the last) financial crisis looming.
With such a large GDP we should be able to look after every citizen, but as long as people have the "it's not affecting me" "As long as I'm getting mine" or "they are undeserving" attitude things will continue to deterioate. We need to throw everyone out onto the streets to grow their empathy so to speak.
I've always found that the places with the nicest kindest people are the ones who have been through immense suffering.
The UK has goose-stepped itself into misery through comfortable armchair nazis. People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. This is just history repeating itself with different names and different places. The outcome will always be the same.
We will see. I'm not pretending it is all rosy but the problems you address have always been around. Being in or out of the EU is nothing to do with it.
I know I've danced around with lots of topics, but I'm just trying to give background to why the accelerated fall of the UK is a positive thing.
Although the genocide of the disabled is relatively new (less than 10 years old), as is the funneling of people onto the streets in such massive numbers.
I know it has nothing to do with the EU (except for the European convention on human rights which we will be free from),
but what I mean is the accelerated fall of the UK is tied to leaving the EU in my own opinion based on how much our economy is dependent on EU migrants among many other EU related things (including London's financial sector).
Many of the poorest regions in Western Europe are in the UK. Without EU funding (even being in the Irish countryside I only have to cycle 10 minutes to find my nearest EU funding sign) many of these underfunded and ignored places will be more prone and malleable towards insurrection, especially Northern Ireland if the Good Friday agreement is voided with a hard border; that would be considered an act of war by the English against the people of Northern and the Republic of Ireland.
It's not a positive thing and I also don't think it will happen.
I have not heard of any "genocide of the disabled". People living on the streets is not new either.
I'm sorry you are so anti-UK. I think this says more about your personal prejudices than anything else.
If I am showing any prejudice it is from anger and frustration. I found out yesterday that I am being denied access to healthcare unless I can prove I am not a foreigner. As well as giving the home office access to my medical records, I have to prove with a silly amount of documentation that I am not a foreigner. Passport, Birth Certificate, Medical card, Proof of Address, National Insurance Number etc is not enough. I don't have everything they want, and have until the 10th of April to prove I am not a foreigner or be charged for seeing the doctor, and for any future times I need to use the health service. Raging 😜
That is crazy and your anger is understandable - there is certainly a negative side to all of this. Hope you get it sorted.
Here is some guy talking about the Disabled Genocide.
Here is a BBC article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37899305
The genocide is not really mentioned or talked about. Genocides don't happen in places like the UK. And I only call it genocide because it fits the definition but of course Genocides don't happen in places like the UK.
We had almost zero homeless population before Thatchers reforms, and we never had homelessness like we have had in the last six years. Maybe you live somewhere away from the homeless problem. Many of my friends didn't beleive me about how bad it was in the NorthWest until they visited. Being back in the Irish countryside all these things are now out of sight.
I'm not really anti-UK. I just know that Northern Ireland is not considered or treated part of the UK (it was made clear during the discussions on brexit which ignored the impact a hard border would have on the good friday agreement), and I would prefer for everyone in the UK to have self-rule than Westminster rule.
I despise Westminster rule with their genocidal policies and their attacks on human rights. I want the UK to collapse solely because I believe that is the only way to free ourselves from Westinster rule, as they will not give up their gravy train.
Thanks I will check the video out. I certainly agree we have a lot of problems. Northern Ireland is not treated well for sure but also consider that we in the North East are totally forgotten. My hope is that things will improve but they could just get worse.
he has reason. globalization is a force that can't be stopped, considering that one main factor is the advancement of technology. you can close the borders, but you can't stop the flow of information, exchange of cultural identities, ideas etc. Uk decided to go out of EU, mostly because they wanted to make direct deal with USA (everything started before the US elections) but now that Trump is isolating the country, UK is all alone. and remember, EU will make Britain suffer. there are already division between the UK countries and there is nothing that can stop Scotland to have a 2nd referendum.
I actually feel this is a possibility. Allow Brexit to go through and then make things so awful that in the end the British people are begging to return to the EU. Then no European nation would ever dare dream of a life outside of the European Union again.
It seems cynical, but you don't spend hundreds of years building an empire and then let it fall without putting up a serious a fight, and we must admit to ourselves, that that's exactly what the EU is. One arm of a monolithic, global empire.
they have to set an example. Although, personally, I think creating a federal state of Europe is impossible. Ask anyone from a EU country and they will tell you that they are either greek or french. Ask someone from USA and they will say they are american, not new yorker or michiganer. lol Let's not forget the initial idea of EU was to maintain peace since both global wars started there.
I agree with everything up until your statement that the EU was built to maintain peace. If you truly believe its development was altruistic in design, I would advise you to look into a little-known aristocrat by the name of Count Coudenhove-Kalergi and his book "Pan Europa."
There is even a Coudenhove-Kalergi award which is presented to the person who does the best of job furthering the EU's agendas each year-- though they word it a little differently.
The EU is merely the first step in globalization. The American Union, African Union and Asian Union are the next goal, until all unions become one union and we have the so called "new world order" that the elites are always wanking over.
This might sound like a conspiracy theory. But, it's nothing that has not been openly stated time and time again by the world's bankers-- the true dominating force in this world.
Well we will have to disagree.
I agree to disagree. Only time will tell. The thing is Uk was not even in Eurozone, it was not even in Schengen zone. As a member of EU it was one of the most spoiled countries. They had demands that all got fulfilled. As much as we want to think EU tries to shatter the cultural identities, it doesn't.
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Really? LOL. Nothing has happened to italian, french, spanish and other cultures.
Yes.
I like your conclusion very much!
Thanks! ^_^