In WWII, the Germans killed 3.3 million Russian POWs, over 10 million Russian civilians, 3 million non-jewish Poles, over 5 million Jews, and a couple of million others. Your comparison with the internment of the Japanese, however wrong it was, is absurd.
"Hitler did exactly what most people would do in his position", you say, and then you come up with a list that isn't "most people". Flawed reasoning, at best.
"Most people under a given government fail to understand that the entire world, every single country, is governed more or less by a variation of democratic socialism much like in Nazi Germany." Most countries don't kill their own and other countries' inhabitants by the millions, nor are they dictatorships, so they are nothing like Nazi Germany.
I'm one of those silly people who have actually done research on WWII atrocities using primary sources. It's always good to get the facts straight before you write something.
There is a comparison. I didn't see him mention numbers. He mentioned acts. I can compare 1 apple to a bushel of apples. They still share traits. Had he said one number was no worse than another you might have a point, and then all he would need to do his go to the numbers of Stalin or Mao to see who the clear winners are in the most kills game.
I didn't make it explicit, but it is of course also about the intention to kill, the reason why; that is when numbers start to matter. Hate crime on an industrial scale across borders is incomparable with what happened with the Japanese during their internment, what "most people would do", or the way most governments behave.
Indeed I find it absurd (and kinda disturbing) when people value attrocities based on numbers. The act belittles humans into cattle, sheer numbers.
Stalin knew that people make such poor comparisons and acted like he did. In his words
"One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic"
@orcdu
Really? We are going to compare numbers in order to calculate the level of attrocity? Does it make much difference if you entrap and torture 100, 10000 or 10000000? are we really doing the "numbers" game here?
Most people in political power do exactly what Hitler did. Open a history book. The only difference is that obviously not not all people become politicians. Most that do become though our of sheer statistical occurance, use their state to coercively impose their will.
"Most countries don't kill their own and other countries' inhabitants by the millions, nor are they dictatorships, so they are nothing like Nazi Germany."
Not at first but they do give you a gun and ask you to sacrifice yourself. Nn case of war they would give you a one way ticket to become a murderer. Refuse to pay taxes and you end up in prison. Refuse to follow and you are shot. The only difference with Hitler and the other fighting parties was that they didn't have any choice. Even today with small time wars much the same murders occur all around us.
"I'm one of those silly people who have actually done research on WWII atrocities using primary sources. It's always good to get the facts straight before you write something."
Facts are only good if you present them properly to an argument. What you are doing here is rather "dick parading" saying "i studied better than you therefore you are wrong". Knowledge without critical thinking is useless my friend.
You did not present any logical argument about your position. You rather strawmaned your way through.
First of all, it is intentional deaths versus ill treatment in the Japanese internment. So, still an absurd comparison.
And yes, numbers do matter, especially when talking about the intentional killing of civilians versus collateral damage. The carnage intentionally caused by the Germans, and the reasons why, is comparable maybe to what Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and the like did, but not to the Japanese internment or the political behaviour of "mosts governments".
No, most people in political power don't do what Hitler did. That is a nonsensical statement which only shows you haven't opened any history books yourself.
I'm not saying that I studied better than you, therefore you are wrong. I'm saying your facts are wrong because you haven't studied enough. You can't do critical thinking based on myths and folklore.
Go ask the japanese if it was "ill treatment" thousands died. Others vanished for secret experiments. what? do you think you would know if Hitler has won about the Jews?
By your definitions the means of some goverments justify the end. Hitler chose a path with no respect to human life. Americans did much the same. they did the same attrocities when it came to human experimentation (you see to conveniently by-pass this fact.
Hitler just killed more people and got more rep. Same exact attrocoties were done from the U.S, the Japanese, the Russians. really, almost all leaders. I actually dare you to find one case that it is not
I actually gave you links. You haven't provided shit yet
So, you are saying the USA had the firm intention to kill all Japanese internees? Because that is what it would take to make the two comparable.
Nowhere do I say that the means justify the end (sic), or the other way around, for that matter.
Hitler didn't "choose a path with no respect for human life", he intentionally killed millions. That is a different thing.
"almost all leaders"? No, a small minority of leaders, especially when talking about the 20th century, intentionally went out there to kill millions because of race, religion or politics.
I have no links to give you; the sources and literature I use take up 6 meters of my library wall.
Dude, they dropped 2 nuclear bombs. They treated them like trash. Everyone hated the Japanese much like they hated commies. Just the shallow evidence is overwhelming.
Here is a short link to remind you are "intentionally killing"
here is some more reading to add to your research:
https://www.darkmoon.me/2015/the-untold-story-of-american-war-crimes-in-japan-part-1/
@ocrdu, how about the genocide of the Native Americans and other indigenous people around the world? How many millions of people were killed in the conquest of the Americas?
Now we're getting somewhere. That, I think, is comparable, apart from one thing: once in control, most killing stopped, as opposed to what the Germans did in WWII: once in control, the killing started.
And it still is silly to compare those atrocities to the Japanese internment, or state that it is "what most people in power would do", or comparable to the behaviour of "all governments".
enough with your mantra of control vs continuing.
Here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
Planned extermination of entire nations doesn't compare well to incidents like those mentioned on that wiki page. I don't think it compares at all. While you have some good points in your post, there is a question of scale, motivation, purpose... You are talking about the world not being black and white. Yes, there may be only shades of gray, but they do range from, say, close to white to almost black. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, they are close to black. Who, of the leaders of Europe today, can be compared to them?
And about extermination of entire tribes in Africa/America - these are real and horrible crimes too, no doubt. Leaders guilty of making/letting them happen are as guilty as Hitler, and they do deserve to be considered vicious and evil - which is the opposite thing to calling Hitler "just another leader". All evil leaders are leaders, not all leaders are evil leaders. What Hitler did was specific to him. Would, say, Hollande do the same? I doubt it.
that's not "intentional killing" according to him. is "collateral damage"
You read as sloppily as you write.
@orcdu @remlaps @pinoytravel @steevc @dresden
Seriously now. Open a book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
Open a book then points to a wiki page. lol
Are you not aware how fucked up wiki is now days?
-smh-
if anyone points out where you are wrong about something you always flip out don't you? do you even realize you can be wrong? lol
I dare you to deny anything from the wiki page. Stop doing the blocktrades tactic. Just because i owned you once it doesn't mean you have to support the opposing view all the time.
you see? even a skeptic can be a moron
LMFAO!
Yes pleas go back and see how he "Owned me" LMFAO
https://steemit.com/plagiarism/@skeptic/a-look-at-your-logical-fallacy-is-by-kyriacos
I guess you think me showing the truth and you acting like a flaggot is owning. LOL
Wiki is bias and if you don't realize it then that might be part of the problem. I did not say it was wrong I said it was fucked up. also you tell someone to read a book then point to a wiki page. im guessing that is the book you get your information from because of that. I have no idea what the block trades tatic is. I do know your tatic of red herrings and ad hominim because its all you have.
Wiki might be biased but the events described there are real and well documented. If you disagree bring counter evidence or shut the fuck up.
In a way everything can be perceived as biased. no argument here.
There are also books references in the wiki page if you care to look.
Be glad I am even bothering to answer to dimwits like you.
Whats about Stalin? Stalin was the one who organized the genocid of 10 million russians at let them die without food somewhere in sibirsk..