RE: What Happens, When It Happens? "SHE'll BE RIGHT MATE?" (PART 4)
Races do exist, as do cultures, denying that would be denying individuality of humans and the human species.
Anyone who claims that all races are the same is crazy.
However, to claim that one race is superior to the other is inhumane.
I say that because I have seen what humans can do to other humans and it is grotesque.
I gave the example of The USA and the Japanese in The USA for the exact reason that you stated, solutions do exist, are they "the best solutions available", well, time kind of tells us that no matter how "good or bad" they were, depending on the viewpoint.
So a lot of what you have said makes sense, however there is no denying that multicultural and multiracial societies exist all over the world.
The data being accumulated via scientists in the genetics field has literally blown the "Historians" of yesteryear apart. What "Historians" were can only be considered to be extremely inaccurate and what "Historians" shall become due to the revolution in the field of genetics is something more like a child playing with a 1001 piece jigsaw puzzle, putting the already defined pieces of the puzzle together, then reviewing all the "History books" of the past.
As per the examples I gave, for racial segregation, I still believe that they do stand, because they were not only "segregation" (separatism) they were in fact placing one group of people (of a race, or races) into a very unequal status. Now, everything that you have stated as per the differences in cultures was obviously the reasons behind it, along with "who holds the power".
So yes I can understand what you are saying, I don't have to fully agree with it in every aspect.
One of my key points in life is not to judge people, but to try and understand people.
Not to manipulate facts to argue a point, but to take them as they are and try to understand WHY they are the way they are.
So to conclude here, I shall state that even though we may have a different angle of looking at things, our conclusions are the same:
If someone decides to move to another country and become a member of that society, where morals and the culture are different to those of the place they are coming from then they should do so with the intent to adapt to and accept this way of life, not to change it into what they have behind in "the old country".
Can this be done?
I believe it can, we have seen hundreds upon thousands of people of various races become patriots in the Western world, especially if we look at the second or third generation of siblings/children. So it is possible, proving that we are all humans and that we are capable of being good people, good Australians, Americans, Canadians and so on.
The clash of cultures is only a clash because people want to abuse the system, they are not looking for a new home, they want something more in life but are not willing to give of themselves to make it happen.
Those types of people just don't fit in anywhere because all they want is a free lunch/bus ride..... you know all the sayings.
I will look at the sites you gave, to try and better understand your wording.
Look forwards to more conversations in the future.
Luckily I have a bit of time this evening to reply, as I consider this topic very important.
Re racial superiority / inferiority - it all depends on what we would agree to in terms of objective measures. I mean it is certainly possible, and I'm not saying that exists today (but its certainly possible in this world, as this world as you know isn't fair or equal), but perhaps there was a sub species of human that is now extinct, that was either superior or inferior to a modern race today in literally EVERY way. One would have better appearance, intelligence, morals, civilisation, science, athletic ability, spiritual, artistic, kind, and good company - on average. Surely if we could say that with certainty, one would be superior to the other, otherwise the whole concept of superiority would be meaningless. But you could say it's just semantics. Could every culture even agree on these objective characteristics for superiority? How would you define it?
Maybe superiority just means better at surviving, but different races were bed to survive in certain environments better than others. What works for one won't work for another. So I don't know if it's even possible to answer the question... maybe you could take it to mean, if only one race were to survive some apocalyptic event and carry humans to the stars, who would it be, if you had to choose. I'm not saying you should answer that question, but it's just something to think about.
An aside: it is easier in our culture to judge individuals than groups, due to political correctness. So imagine, and this is easy to imagine, that one individual was better than another individual in every way possible, there are some amazing individuals out there and some real low life grubs, and are their whole lives. Surely one can be said to be superior to the other, even though many of us wouldn't say it, we'd think it.
But it's really not even about that, it's about having a destiny for your people, a territory, a way of defending your way of life and values (through politics or other means).
There's an interesting thinker on this matter called Frank Raymond, who's actually Indian, living in Canada. He's done some online interviews, and has written a book 'Sweet Dreams and Terror Cells'. He observes that there is something special about the white race, and he does not observe in other races, in terms of the way we think, our soul, our 'way of being in the world'. He expresses himself very well. If you observe the way we care and view animals (as companions with 'human' characteristics), the disadvantaged third world, what we find funny, the way we use words (crossword puzzles), going out exploring, hiking, rock climbing for the sheer hell of it - how we relate to other humans, and the world - is unique. Other races orient themselves more toward meeting their basic biological needs such as food, career, reproduction. They do not transcend these things. Think craft beer, save the whales, old historical buildings society, appreciation of animals and rose gardens by everyday people, mountain climbing, sky diving, sailing around the world for fun... if Indians look at this it's often, why bother, there's money to be made, just meet your basic needs. He's observed also a lot of corruption in India, which is present at all levels of society, not just at the top.
I think it's tragic that we just aren't aware of this, or maybe we are deep in our souls somewhere. But we're just meant to believe we're the same as everyone else, and they're the same as us, until there are none of us left.
While many from foreign races / cultures have been patriotic, that's in a situation where the country is still majority white, whereas if Australia becomes 100% or even majority non-white, which they say the US will be as well as maybe the UK - then these countries would cease to be Australia or the UK in any meaningful sense.
So the 'values based civic nationalism' that you seem to be endorsing (where you assume assimilation of all races into our way of life or 'way of being'), could result in tragic and irreversible circumstances. If race exists, and matters, in the way I have been proposing, then eventually it will.
The "white" race as it is, shall die out.
There is no stopping it.
Ideologies know no race, add religion to the potion of ideology and weapons, we get what we have in the world today.
Reality isn't nice, but it is the way it is.
"White" people as a whole do not see the importance of races any more, and when one day the cocktail I described in this comment rises up, race shall probably be the least of our worries as humans all over this planet shall be faced with a totalitarian regime that human history has never encountered to date.
Again, commitments stopped me from replying sooner.
Not if we fight for it, as many are now waking up and realising they have to at least spread awareness of the situation. The extinction of a race that presumably you form part of and has contributed such a staggering amount of innovation to this world strikes me as cataclysmic.
If you aren't willing to at least fight (by word or deed) for a homeland for the sons and daughters of England and Europe, then you can't call yourself much of a patriot.