POCKET TOKENS and SMTs - TO FORK or NOT TO FORK? That Is The Question!

in #pocket7 years ago (edited)

Since the introduction of Pocket Tokens as the first subtoken here on the Steemit Blockchain we have seen them used in all sorts of interesting ways. Everything from awarding comments, rewarding works, raffles, contests to sports tipping!

Since the introduction of Pocket Tokens, the talk of "sub tokens" has been all the go with the announcement of Smart Media Tokens (SMT).

As things move along, the idea of subtokens is becoming a lot clearer to many people who at first (like myself) had a lot of questions on the topic.

Lately the word "Fork" has been thrown around all over the place, as we have seen a few of these happen in the Bitcoin (BTC) blockchain. With new Crypto being introduced and literally handed out to the owners of BTC.
We all saw BTC being bought up by every Tom, Dick and Henrietta out there, all hoping to jump on the bandwagon and make millions overnight! Good luck to them, all the power to them.

Now, having said all this as a short intro to this post, I will address the concept of a "Fork" with our Pocket Tokens once the SMTs are introduced.

POCKET TOKEN SMT FORK QUESTION.png

Unlike most of the SMTs that shall be introduced, Pocket Tokens already have a user base here on our Blockchain. So this is an extreme advantage!

The current Pocket Tokens that we have are listed on Bitshares and as such already have a market, as far as trading goes.

Many people here on Steemit, thanks to those of us utilizing our Pocket Tokens, as described in my intro, have heard about Pocket Tokens and this name is not something "new" or should I say "unheard of". Although to be upfront about it, there are many more Steemians who have not heard about Pocket Tokens yet and this just goes to show that we have a market for them right here, right now on Steemit.com.

So when I take these facts into account, I see a very bright future for our Pocket Tokens.

Why?

Well, after watching the BTC forks happen, and there is one happening again very soon, I can't help but see a similar chain of events happening right here on our Steemit Blockchain with Pocket Tokens.

Lets think about it:

If Pocket Tokens were to go through a similar process of a Fork as what was done with the BTC Forks, the demand for Pocket Tokens shall increase, hence driving their value up.

Likewise, the owners of Pocket Tokens shall be issued SMT Poket (Tokens) which are known of on the market and which have users who are already in a position to utilize them from the word "GO".

The "Founding Fathers" of Pocket Tokens shall be in an excellent position to figure out a way to run a Initial Coin (Token) Offering (ICO) as a part of the Fork, so as to ensure that the new SMT Pockets have a sound and firm funding behind them here on our Blockchain.

The existing Pocket Tokens that we own shall still be listed on Bitshares, can still be used as they have been to date and shall possibly become more valuable as they can serve as a parallel reward token along side the SMT Pockets.

Again taking all this into consideration, it is a WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN situation.

Current Pocket Token owners WIN.

New SMT Pocket owners WIN.

The Pocket Token account here on Steemit grows in value = WIN.

& The founding fathers of Pocket Tokens, well, WIN WIN WIN in every aspect!

If the Fork were to be organized in a manner that covers all of the above stated, it is definitely a WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN situation.

Due to the current nature of the existing Pocket Tokens, there is no reason why these can not function on as they have to date along side SMT Pockets.

Of course, if the suggested new SMT Pockets were to just replace the existing Pocket Tokens, then the above formula is irrelevant and it all comes down to a typical gamble. We all know that gambling doesn't always work out the best for those who are gambling!

However, if we Pocket Token owners can come to an agreement as to the protocol for the potential Fork, then WE decide on how it shall be done and WE should do what is best for ALL of US.

Some may think that I am putting the cart in front of the horse, so to say, or "It's still early to be talking about this".

Is it?

SMTs are out on the market for BETA testing in December (if all goes as planned).

That is just around the corner!

So, what better time than NOW to start discussing the potentials of a Fork once the SMTs are introduced!

Better to be PROactive than REactive. That is what I believe.

For all those who are sleepers, with their Pocket Tokens, WAKE UP here is an opportunity knocking at your door!

SO LETS GET THIS TOPIC OUT AND LETS START DISCUSSING AND PLANNING!

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Interesting. So your proposal is to snapshot Pocket balances and create an entirely separate SMT based on that? So we'd have legacy POCKET, that people could transfer around with pocketsend, and we'd have SMT-POCKET, and they would be separate things?

@biophil is there any data or analytics available for the pocket tokens. For instance, circulating supply, number and distribution of holders, amount transferred per day or week historically.

I do think it is a great concept and definitely a trial balloon that may well have helped inspire the SMT concept on STEEM. But for me I don't see a lot of activity and it all seems very opaque. I am one who is reluctant (or even indifferent) about promoting it when there could be an unlimited supply or someone sitting on 80% of the tokens - for example.

Current statistics are posted weekly by @pocket-pi. The total supply is 1,222,001,222, and I've publicly stated that I won't support any changes to the protocol which increase supply.

Unfortunately we don't technically know about the 1 person sitting on 80% of the supply problem, but I'm fairly sure it's not that bad. There are a handful of community members that are known to control single digit percentages (myself included), but no more is known for sure.

Taking this into consideration too, the concept I have presented above in the post for a "Fork" is more than justified.

WIN WIN WIN WIN

I truly believe that this could be the best way to ensure POCKETs become world known SMT and subcoin Crypto and at the same time the best localized Crypto here on our Blockchain.

You do realize that the fork wouldn't be POCKET, right? You're calling it SMT-POCKET, but it would just be an arbitrary sharedrop token given to holders of POCKET. It would diverge from pocket classic until the two had nothing to do with one another.

It sounds like you're even advocating diluting it with an ICO. What's the actual purpose?

By the way, I probably won't oppose this if you or anyone else decides to go for it. I will, however, strongly advise against calling the airdrop token "POCKET," since it won't be pocket. I also won't run an ICO at this point, for legal reasons. Of course I can't stop someone else from running an ICO.

Well, the reasoning is as follows:

  1. The SMT market is going to happen no matter what anyone thinks.

  2. By issuing 1:1 tokens, which we have seen BTC do to date a lot of and hence done all the marketing for us!
    We are increasing the demand for our current Pocket Tokens.
    So on Bitshares there shall definitely be a rise in the demand and rise in value for our current Pocket Tokens.

  3. An ICO as such would have to be done, because the SMT's are linked to a Steemit account and are dependent upon Steem Power (as defined in the above video by Ned).

  4. Yes, the two tokens shall be independent from each other, from the day GO. That is from the day that the SMT Pockets are released.

  5. As I mentioned earlier, the latest action on the BTC front have not only done all the hard work of marketing this concept, but we too here on Steemit have over 6,000 Pocket Token owners who can post about it here and on other social networks.
    Again raising awareness of our current Pocket Tokens and the new SMT Pockets (as proposed) = higher demand for BOTH!

So, this is the logic and reasoning (in short) for this proposal.

PS. if a group of us here were to go for it, then we would still need your assistance for the "snap shots" and so on.

It will need to be a team effort, as it shall influence the value of both the tokens, the current Pocket Tokens and the new SMT Pocket Tokens.

Sure, let me know when and if you want snapshots; I can certainly do that.

I don't see why not.

If BTC can do it, and the owners of BTC can make it happen, why shouldn't we learn from them too.

The pockets we have now can be used here on Steemit, as we have been using them, making the value of them go up.
The SMT, well, they have no boundaries (so to say).

This will give all of us a lot more incentive to make things happen for both of OUR Crypto out there. That is, our current Pocket Tokens and the SMT Pockets.

You as the owner of the username behind the SMT do the ICO for those who do not currently own Pocket Tokens and want to get in on the SMT Pockets, the funds go towards the SMT account here on Steemit and you have literally covered all the bases.

We all have to market the ICO and get the word out via many more posts here on Steemit and where ever else 'Pocketeers' have social network accounts.

I truly believe that this could be THE WINNING COMBINATION FOR EVERYONE!

I've never heard of pocket tokens, until I read your post. Do you have links to any useful reading about Pocket tokens and how they are being used?

@biophils wall is a good place to start, or just click on the # pocket tag on this post and you will get all the latest posts about Pocket Tokens.

Don't get it from these latest posts, we need link to introduction. Do we all have pockets as steem holders or did we have to do something?

Hey, long time no see! Hope all is well.

To answer your question,
The Genesis of Pocket Tokens happened months ago.
Pocket Tokens are a sub token here on the Steemit Blockchain.

Soon there will be SMT's being introduced to this blockchain, or should I say the ability to have subtokens as per the SMT Whitepaper.

So here I am addressing the possibilities for all 6,000+ of us Steemians who have Pocket Tokens.

Not 100% clear, sorry... Maybe 100% personal and practial. I didn't do anything, i have 10 000 SP, do i have pocket tokens y/n?

pocketsend:1001@bubke, here are some pocket tokens and below we will see in the sending report how many you have!

So now you too own Pocket Tokens. You won't see them in a wallet, they are on your part of the Steemit Blockchain.

They can be sent using a comment as I did above, has to be a separate (stand alone) comment.

I hope this now helps to clear things up as far as my post goes.

If not, shoot away with questions.

Successful Send of 1001
Sending Account: jackmiller
Receiving Account: bubke
New sending account balance: 718197
New receiving account balance: 1000
Fee: 1
Steem trxid: 489249c9d96487a22fd56612a88b41a656433471
Thanks for using POCKET! I am a confirmer bot for fun, view my source confirmer code here. Don't know what a POCKET Token is? Here is a link to the official announcement post.

Thanks I will check out @biophils as well as the pocket tag.

pocketsend:1001@jmcmeekin, here are some pockets to play with!

Thanks. I will have a play with them. I love principle. Imagine something like this built onto different social networks, not just STeem!

Successful Send of 1001
Sending Account: biophil
Receiving Account: jmcmeekin
New sending account balance: 823260
New receiving account balance: 1000
Fee: 1
Steem trxid: e3d555e397a6ce25af6d517e44d310105f171a0b
Thanks for using POCKET! I am a confirmer bot for fun, view my source confirmer code here.

The existing Pocket Tokens that we own shall still be listed on Bitshares,

How do we transfer pocket tokens to bitshares? How many BTS are they currently worth?

pocketsend:1001@jackmiller just for being awesome and keeping the pocket dream alive! And pocketsend:1001@biophil, the mad scientist who created this monster!

@ironshield

ps. pocketsends need to be done in seperate comments.

1 commnt / pocketsend

How do you check your pocket balance?

pocketsend:1@ironshield, don't forgetv the comma!

Successful Send of 1
Sending Account: jackmiller
Receiving Account: ironshield
New sending account balance: 769505
New receiving account balance: 980443
Fee: 1
Steem trxid: b0ee0e6808ed8975074b7ce2098c7adee7783bd7
Thanks for using POCKET! I am a confirmer bot for fun, view my source confirmer code here.

pocketsend:1001@jackmiller just for being awesome

pocketsend:1001@jackmiller

Successful Send of 1001
Sending Account: ironshield
Receiving Account: jackmiller
New sending account balance: 980443
New receiving account balance: 769506
Fee: 1
Steem trxid: 1f82477795dd5badb3b48bbaa031f7ececa19962
Thanks for using POCKET! I am a confirmer bot for fun, view my source confirmer code here.

pocketsend:1001@biophil, the mad scientist who created this monster!

Successful Send of 1001
Sending Account: ironshield
Receiving Account: biophil
New sending account balance: 981444
New receiving account balance: 823259
Fee: 1
Steem trxid: d0becfdd452c5f4bf4878a5190ea36043c217f3c
Thanks for using POCKET! I am a confirmer bot for fun, view my source confirmer code here.

So just ti makw sure i understand if i have pocket tokens ill get the smt

Why not?

If others can do it, then why can't we make the most of what we have too!

Not complaining just making sure I understand correctly.

Sure, definitely.

The concept is rather simple.

With the introduction of SMT Pockets too, using the concept presented above, the demand for our Pocket Tokens shall rise.
Which increases the value of our current Pocket Tokens.

Some (probably many) owners of the current Pocket Tokens shall decide to cash in, as the value rises,
& those buying shall be buying them so as to get more SMT Pockets during the coin distribution.

Likewise, with an ICO running for those who wish to get in on it and who do not have the current Pocket Tokens, the value of the new SMT Pocekts shall rise.

Later on, there shall be a logical sequence of events, whereby people via Bitshares, not only regularly trade our current Pocket Tokens, but also use some of the funds to buy into the new SMT Pockets.

ALL OF WHICH SHALL RAISE THE DEMAND AND VALUE OF BOTH TOKENS!

With the current 6000+ owners of Pocket Tokens, we already have the largest market of users/owners out there, and with this being copy pasted to the SMT Pockets we have the largest user base and market out there straight from the word GO.

This concept that I have presented here in the post puts into action EVERYTHING that has been done to date by all of us who have been using our current tokens and rewards EVERYONE.

From those who shall cash in for a quick profit, to those who shall invest in the new SMT Tokens.

WIN WIN for everyone.

I knew it was something, just didn't know what 😋
That's a pretty awesome token and the name is great - Pocket. reminds me of a song from 07' "Put me in the pocket!"

Thanks for sharing this, @jackmiller. I have some pocket study ahead of me this afternoon it seems. Will share this with some friends and see if I can get anyone to ask all the dumb questions I'm afraid to ask 😆

pocketsend:1001@grow-pro, here are some pockets to play with!

Thank you, @biophil - liking the concept of Pocket so far. Just learning about this thanks to @baus85 & @jackmiller last night (est time here), so have lots of reading to do - which is something I enjoy! It's entirely foreign territory for me and I'm rather new to the blockchain tech in general. I think having the name alone was enough to attract me, who doesn't like a little pocket? 😎

I see the wide open canvas ahead and if exploration like this can continue, it'll be very interesting to see where it leads. The possibilities for development and application are endless.

Glad to see someone is exploring the unknown and eagerly (and early) in the game. I thoroughly enjoy your articles and look forward to putting my pocket to good use.

Thanks again.

Best,
Brandon

Successful Send of 1001
Sending Account: biophil
Receiving Account: grow-pro
New sending account balance: 822259
New receiving account balance: 102001
Fee: 1
Steem trxid: 4ad9a0040892faa579ef2e80d852359b3957f565
Thanks for using POCKET! I am a confirmer bot for fun, view my source confirmer code here.

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