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RE: Introducing Photochain, A Dapp for freelance photographers that aims to revolutionize the Stock photography industry

in #photography6 years ago (edited)

I'm not surprised to find out that you are into stock photography and yes, the fees are bad. You should have done something about your idea back then.

Me too, really looking foward to building a photography community here.

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I have given it some thoughts, a Stockphoto platform as an SMT on the Steem blockchain could have some potential. Photographers would get a reward just for uploading their photos in form of votes like on Steemit and on top of that the reward from each sale minus a small fee that would go to the curators as a kind of eternal curation reward. I actually had a flash of genius a few weeks ago how to call this platform and wanted to register the Steemit account @dstock in case I decided to go ahead with this idea at some point - only to find out that it had been registered three (!) days before already!

Hahaha that was me, as several months ago I started a stock photography project, but realized there were bigger projects already in existence, and bailed on it.
You would have run into several problems, and part of the reason I discontinued it. Steem block chain has no framework for Tier or automatic payouts, as well as a commission concept. That's why all these other startups aren't using steem as their blockchain of choice, it just isn't versatile enough to run a market place.

Also, the harsh reality of selling stock specifically in steem; steem users don't give a damn about copyright infringement and it's why so many like the blockchain. They can steal and post work with no repercussions. As of now, you would be lucky to make any profit or even sustain it.
I pump almost a grand into Dstock, and it opened my eyes, and realized on Steem, it just isn't feasible, you would need a better backing with developers on a more utilized versatile blockchain.
That, and if you notice, these startups are using this as a slight ruse to pump their own 'coin' which they call 'tokens.' It's why they claim to take such a little fee.
Also, there is a lot of protections and markets that the bigger fiat companies are working with, which is why it seems they are taking so much reward.

Sites like these start off the same as any fiat "hey we are on the photographers side!" photo sites. 500px for instance.

I'll sell you the account Dstock and the Domain Dstock.io for 1k USD lol.

At this point I am holding on to the domain for profit, until I get an offer.

If you have ideas, I would recommend investing in .io domains, you might strike gold.

*Or hell if you had some ideas, maybe we can get something going. I, as a one man team, found it wasn't possible, as my limitations were mostly backend development. Site Design marketing, etc... I am capable of, but I am not a coder lol.

Haha, that's funny, great to find out who is behind @dstock! I am studying computer science and have developed some python scripts interacting with the Steem blockchain, but a project like dstock would be a different level.
I think it wouldn't make sense to develop it now when SMTs will change everything in a few months, but when they launch, we could talk about realising dstock together if you like.
My idea would be to create something like a decentralised version of 500px as a SMT including a market place. The problem with transactions could be solved by creating a subscription system such as the one that Shuttterstock and many other microstock agencies have and distribute the payments to the creators at the end of the month minus the fees.

Cool I give ya a follow

Now that's unfortunate, but not a dealbreaker. You should definitely keep working on it and see where it goes. Who knows, maybe @ned hits you with a 1M delegate as a kickstarter :)

True :) We should probably think of rebranding @travelfeed as @dravelfeed or @dtravel as well, it seems like @ned loves D's!

hahahahahahahahahahhaha man this is gold!

Not if they keep it on ETH instead of steem.

I'm not talking about Photochain here. But let me just note that no one would be happier to see them move to Steem/SMTs but as said so many times before who knows when SMTs will finally go live.

in my previous comment I mention why steem won't work for this type of project, at least not yet.

Oh you you mean this completely off base remark?

Steem block chain has no framework for Tier or automatic payouts, as well as a commission concept. That's why all these other startups aren't using steem as their blockchain of choice, it just isn't versatile enough to run a market place.

I'm a 35 year career software development veteran and presently an executive in an enterprise scale international software company, a creator of tools, broadcasting networks and a worldwide charity on steem, a steem witness, and here to tell you, it's not up to steem to handle your payment schemes, it's up to you to know how to program. I can instantly see methods to code tiers and payments systems for any kind of app in the world, and many methods of handling the payout seem immediately obvious to me. Your inability to do so, doesn't make it steem's fault, sorry.

Also, the harsh reality of selling stock specifically in steem; steem users don't give a damn about copyright infringement and it's why so many like the blockchain. They can steal and post work with no repercussions. As of now, you would be lucky to make any profit or even sustain it.

This incorrect generalization is just flat asinine too.

Your inability to program a solution to your issues, and your broad sweeping inaccuracies, make you incapable, not steem.

But your last sentence actually proves that.

I am not a coder lol.

Well, that's clearly obvious by your total inaccuracy and inability to achieve some incredible simple things.

It's not steem that has to do "automatic payouts and tiers" - which it can do, btw, it's up to your app code, your inability to understand and do it, aside... Both happen every single day here.

Please stop spreading misinformation about things you are self described as unable to do, as something else's fault.

Yeah you are just being confrontational at this point, just going to block your account. You are just a troll looking for fights.

Which is clear by all your other comments.

I am also a much longer tenured user than you, with a tech career spanning the president of the united states office, NASA, fortune 500's, well known social networks and SaaS companies, in development, consultation and executive roles. You are just a guy bad mouthing a platform he hasn't been on half a year, who can't code and makes allegations he can't back up.

Troll? Sure, that's why I'm closing in on a top 50 witness position,make tools for the platform and have 10x the followers you do.

You remain, well.... silly and naive.

Ouch, that's unfortunate! If you still want to attempt the project you could still try with another name. In my humble opinion, Steem SMTs or EOS would be a better fit for a stock photo-project than Ethereum, since they both have no fees and fast block times. Especially since as you say, we could potentially also pay with upvotes here on Steem :)

Agreed, it would be better to go with SMTs if they existed. The fact that the development is taking so long has already driven a lot of businesses away. So lets hope they come soon.

That's completely understandable at this point. It's been forever since Steemit Inc. said that SMTs were right around the corner, but it has been little news since then.

Do you even remember when they first talked about hf 20? It must be like 8 months now..... I just hope EOS doesn't beat us in the race.

I believe EOS is ready to go in less than a month, so it seems unlikely that they won't beat Steem. Unless Steemit Inc. has it ready-ish and wants to push it right before EOS goes live.

EOS has the potential to replace Ethereum and its ETH20 tokens. I don't think that Steemit can achieve the same with SMTs, but they do have the potential to further establish Steem as the social media blockchain. If Steemit Inc. can solve the issues with Steem and successfully launch SMTs, there would be no reason for users to switch to a new social network token based on EOS.

This is the main reason I bailed on Dstock.

Steem doesn't have the features within it's structure to run a "marketplace" like stock photography. It's why you see these other stock sites creating their own tokens.

Among other things that steem is very limited to...

When all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail. Though steem can be manipulated to do a lot of things, it's not a swiss army knife and "other" solutions can be much more elegant on their own.

I agree. :)

Storing the images of millions of photographers on a blockchain, just doesn't seem like a great idea to me. shrug Even steemit, completely depending on services like amazon aws, doesn't sit completely well with me.

What do I know though, eh? lol

You lack vision and skill and capability, not steem....

LOL. Yeah, that's it, attack my character personally.
Should I attack your intelligence, because you obviously have 0 reading comprehension.
If you're looking to just be an ass or start and internet fight with someone, please do it with someone else.

I remarked on your lack of skills, mostly just quoting you.

What does it miss to have been able to create a marketplace such as a stock photo marketplace?

Like I mentioned, as of now, there is not way to incorporate/facilitate payouts automatically. Sites like Dtube take a commission off total upvote revenue, but with stock.. you are selling at a set steem price IE: wallet transfers. As of now there isn't a way to have the host (company) receive a payout for the set price, then auto facility the % back to the original owners wallet. It would have to be done manually by had with each transaction. The reason why other cryptos can handle this, is because they allow for smart tokens, where the site creates their own trading currency, within the system.

Alright, thanks for educating me. Hopefully this will be something that will be solved with SMTs in the future, when that is ready.

Totally! The issue is, that at the moment neither EOS nor Steem have tokens, EOS does not even have a blockchain yet and is an ETH20 token itself. I could imagine that Photochain and many other ETH20 tokens will switch to a different blockchain like EOS in a year if Ethereum does not manage to solve its scaling problems until then.

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