RE: Are the burners at Burning Man being burned/brainwashed?
you start off with a pretty shaky premise, that being that the founders of burning man were apparently former military (they were not; try musicians, artists, and other free spirits from San Francisco looking to celebrate the solstice on a baker beach).
tying the nature of bohemian grove to the nature of burning man based on the fact that they burn effigies of men is pretty thin. we have plenty of people in suburban areas that make furniture by hand...that doesn't make them amish.
having lived in SF for several years and known a very large number of people (both from the Bay Area and the Midwest who travel to BM EVERY YEAR), i can assure you that nearly all of them understand the history of the festival...it's the people who've never been who make all the weird, baseless claims that don't tend to know what they're talking about.
i feel like you're reading too much into the whole thing, personally. especially since i've actually spent time with people involved in it and who go every year.
So the guy in the video is lying then?
Did you even listen to the video? It's over 5 hours long and one of the guys who is reporting all of this information has been going to burning man since the 90's. He's been there over 10 times, I think he has been going there long enough to speak about it.
I haven't personally verified the details about the founders being military, though when time permits I will get deeper into it.
Ummm... Yeah well, making furniture is really common, everyone needs it. Very few people burn human effigies. I don't think your handwaving away is fair of that. They are different.
It's like saying.. Oh.. People who love kids are everywhere thus there are no rapists.
And to be fair, I'm not saying there is for sure a connection, I'm saying there might be, and.. There might be. Burning effigies is not that common, I would not be SURPRISED AT ALL if they had common roots, or were even brought about by the same people.. It would actually make a lot of logical and reasonable sense.
Sounds like you have a LOT less experience than the guy who is presenting all this information. No offense, it just sounds like you don't know very much compared to him. It looks like he's got many many years on you based on what you said.
OH.. And I REALLY HIGHLY doubt all of the people you interacted with understand the history, most people don't understand the history of almost anything they do. Lol. Most people just mindlessly consume.
That's your opinion and you have the right to it, but.. I take the opinion of this guy who seems like he's been going there way longer than you and who has way more experience and knowledge of the subject. No offense, you just don't seem even close to as informed as the guy in the video.
After a quick google search, he's proof one of them was former military.
So.. You're already wrong, and I bet you anything.. I will find more as I look into it, cause I doubt the guy on the podcast was just making this shit up, if he was.. I don't think he would last very long doing what he is doing..
"In the 1960s, amid the Vietnam War, Mikel joined the U.S. Navy. He did a couple of tours, was briefly in Vietnam, where he earned a combat medal, he said, adding that he was was honorably discharged after five years."
http://www.rgj.com/story/life/arts/burning-man/2016/08/11/burning-man-turns-30-untold-lives-nevadas-burner-royalty/88065326/
Here's another one.. This guy isn't one of the original founders, but he's a NEW founder so to speak or rather has a prestigious position.. Who is former NAVY INTELLIGENCE/Department of defense.. HMMMM...
"Drew has little to no experience in land management or geology, but has held various management positions in the U.S. Navy throughout his career. He served as the executive officer for the U.S. Navy’s Southern Command Joint Intelligence Operation Center as well as an Intel officer and an enlisted aviation electronics technician."
https://burners.me/2016/12/15/defense-departmentnavy-specialist-in-organized-crime-and-drugs-to-run-burning-man/
Additionally it looks like the PLAYA used to be a military installation as well.
https://burners.me/2012/09/25/lost-traditions-of-burning-man/
GOING FURTHER.. It looks like the first Burning man took place basically right on a military base. At the Presidio. And, it was done on the summer solstice, which is when it is done at Bohemian Grove as well.. Hello? I am vindicated again.. Not only is the ritual almost identical and pretty much done on a military base, originally it wasn't that far from the Bohemian Grove either.. Pretty close.
I think the connections and similarities are overwhelming and the evidence is quite incriminating, but.. Something tells me information like this is hard for you to accept.
All I can tell you is, the older I get the more I find the occult fingerprints virtually EVERYWHERE.. This is no surprise to me, it just makes logical basic common sense.
http://letsrollforums.com//burning-man-festival-started-t31101.html?s=c4d50b879991fb5352dddcd468ac15d5&
Cheese done slid right off the cracker didn't it?
Protip: if you WANT a thing to appear true to you, you will always be able to convince yourself it is. And if it's anti-establishment, you will always be able to find people telling you you're right.
You end up with an echo chamber of people just bouncing around crazier and crazier conspiracy.
Burning man is a lot of crappy things... Some occult or black ops conspiracy isn't on that list. No matter if someone founding is ex military or not.